Re: Evolution vs. Creationism
If you use the search system you will find me arguing with atheists and agnostics. That is because we do not have a collective system of beliefs that we subscribe too. And when I believe that I am right it is because of the information that I know. I try to stand behind a claim on its own merits not my own belief in the claim. That is because I am a skeptic. I am skeptical of being skeptical.
ANd no I do not think that whatever your beliefs are, that they are fantasy. Thats bull, I just think that the bible (etc) and the existence of the supernatural is fantasy. If your belief is in there somewhere that is your problem. Not get upset that I reject gods and **** like that. feel free to provide some evidence, but then your belief would cease to be faith based.
Lets not gloss over the fact that your belief in a whatever superbeing of some sort is completely faith based. Me on the other hand have belief in something. No matter how hard that you try to manipulate things I dont have faith in evolution or science or whatever it is that you keep trying to tell me that I have faith in.
Do I know how the universe started? Well **** me no I dont. But I have seen some pretty good evidence pointing in some directions.
Do I have faith in any of those directions? What kind of bs would that be? I have no faith at all in any conclusions that is why I am a skeptic above anything else. You say that there is a god, great but I dont trust your conclusions on the subject.
The same goes for how life ended up in the universe. **** if I know how that **** happened. But I have seen some good evidence that points in certain directions. I have no faith in any of those directions but I do find them interesting.
But when it comes to direct evidence like observable evolution I believe that **** since it has been proven beyond any doubt. I dont believe in it though, that would be how religious people view the world. I am not religious at all. That doesnt mean though that I know nothing about religious beliefs. I come from a religious family like most people, and have many religious friends. I have been to church and Sunday school. The chances are that I have attend more Sunday sermons than you. or perhaps not. My point is that just because I am a atheist doesnt mean that you automatically know more about religious faiths than I do.
I know that in religious circles in America there is a complete laid out description of atheists. You keep parroting most of the line taught to theists, in what they should say to atheists and how they should be treated among other theists. The main strategy is to present a case that accuses atheism of being a religion. That is followed normally by presenting a case that asserts that secularism equals atheism. ANd further that science equals atheism. ANd that all three adds up to a religion. Government being secular to theists is atheist religion mucking up the government. Evolution being taught in schools is the atheist religion to theists being taught in schools. Science is wrong because it is the teachings of atheism in the theists eyes.
Then theists sit back and wait for the criticisms of such strategy and make silly accusations that atheists are being militant and attacking theists. But you guys have been doing it so long now that you just cut to the criticisms. making statements that only people in the know have a clue what you are getting at.
Well, according to this thread I seemed to have caught you at a time where you did not disagree with any atheist post on this thread hell of a coincidence.
I too am how you say skeptical?
I'm skeptical of a theory without hard evidence being presented as a fact
Lets not gloss over the facts
Fact, you have stated you don't know how the universe started, but have pretty good evidence {unproven I might add} pointing in some directions.
Fact another lesson for atheist .
You don't know what is but you know what isn't on how the universe started?
Now if you could just turn that to where it's you don't know what isn't , but you know what is , would not that sound better.
As far as supernatural is concerned try researching the B.U. period, in layman's terms that's BEFORE UNIVERSE.
As far as Evolution first a bit of history Faith Believers were the first faith based organization to admit Evolution exist.
On this very thread I have said Evolution is Fact some atheist disagreed and said it was theory so much for observable direct evidence. from atheist?
Second ok so evolution is Fact now what? After all one must evolve from some living tissue unless the foundation of living beings were based on rocks a non living tissue ?
The biology department of the Science Department might want to have a chat about that.
The Bible the existence of the supernatural is fantasy?
The bible was written by man ,man makes mistakes is this fantasy?
Human beings of this planet have yet to go to another planet yet they know all about all the universe??
Faith believers accept all ideas if theirs are accepted.
Suppose some Faith Believers believe that intelligent design is an entity a part of space that was directly or indirectly responsible for starting the big Bang and evolution..
However atheist don't want to hear that cause they know for sure they are absolutely positive there is nothing with more intelligence than mankind.
Some Atheist as well as organized religion believe that the universe was made for only humans of earth
Atheist has brought up science not I.
Science is a study , atheist is but a non belief.
{Organize religion or theist as you call them want power and money they have it . they can keep it .
It will not change the minds of faith believers we know them for who they are a majority are GREEDY, SELFISH, POWER HUNGRY, CHILD MOLESTERS AND CRIMINALS.}
We know atheist for who they are as well, a group of self made so called intellectuals at war with organized religion over power and money, but they have to recruit followers so they make a move on science so if you're an atheist presto you love science you may even know all about science as long as the conversation stays on the beginning of the universe , cause if it changes these so called atheist/scientist are left in thew dark then comes the slander , the sarcasm, the put downs like these beauties ,"you don't know what you're talking about" or "your whole belief system is a fantasy " or the old spaghetti monster or fairy routine" many a spiritual person ran from those, organized religion don't even test the waters.but I ain't organized religion.and I don't rattle that easy.
Bottom line Organized Religion uses the bible easy to contradict .
1 sentence The Bible was written by man man makes mistakes
Atheist since they choose to hide behind the Science Realm a bit more difficult but not that difficult interrogative sentences that's all you need .
There is not as you say militant actions there is only slander and accusation .
An accusation that can not be proven by Organized religion or atheist.
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