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A Q for Christians - What parts/events of the NT are absolute fact and true?[W: 143]

Re: A Q for Christians - What parts/events of the NT are absolute fact and true?

Maybe Te'o's 'girlfriend' was a dude. I have no evidence, just a hunch. It wasn't a fraud as much as a cover-up? So that he could talk about it. I'm not planning to join the CT subforum, just sayin'

Well, actually it was, it was someone he knew punking him, or at least that's what he wants the press to think, there are some people who think he was using the story as a means to generate publicity for the Heisman. That's really neither here nor there though, even assuming he was misled, the fact is, he really believed that she was real and all the faith in the world didn't make it so.
 
Re: A Q for Christians - What parts/events of the NT are absolute fact and true?

That's kind of a broad generalization, is it not? I mean......absolutely nothing we say can be independently verified? Come on now, being a bit dramatic aren't we? :roll:

Oh, there's lots that can be independently verified. I would say there's probably nothing that can *ONLY* be verified by the individual that is actually so.
 
Re: A Q for Christians - What parts/events of the NT are absolute fact and true?

Well, actually it was, it was someone he knew punking him, or at least that's what he wants the press to think, there are some people who think he was using the story as a means to generate publicity for the Heisman. That's really neither here nor there though, even assuming he was misled, the fact is, he really believed that she was real and all the faith in the world didn't make it so.

Perhaps you just have faith in one version of the story and don't really know the answer?
 
Re: A Q for Christians - What parts/events of the NT are absolute fact and true?

Perhaps you just have faith in one version of the story and don't really know the answer?

I have no faith whatsoever, I rely on the evidence and the evidence clearly is that his imaginary girlfriend wasn't real. About the only question remaining is whether he knew about it, which seems likely, or if he was totally duped.
 
Re: A Q for Christians - What parts/events of the NT are absolute fact and true?

Then people need to stop claiming that personal experiences are any evidence for the factual basis of their beliefs.

I prove my point and you reply by saying that since I was correct, people should not use personal experiences for the basis of their faith?

HEHEHEHEHEHEH! OK man, we are done here.

That's the point that's being made.

No the point is you think people need evidence that YOU can understand to trust. I have shown without a point of reference, this is a fools folly.
 
Re: A Q for Christians - What parts/events of the NT are absolute fact and true?

I prove my point and you reply by saying that since I was correct, people should not use personal experiences for the basis of their faith?

Personal experience cannot be one's sole basis, otherwise one is liable to have faith in a delusion.

No the point is you think people need evidence that YOU can understand to trust. I have shown without a point of reference, this is a fools folly.

If they want to convince me that what they have faith in is true, absolutely. This is a debate forum. It is not a faith forum.
 
Re: A Q for Christians - What parts/events of the NT are absolute fact and true?

Personal experience cannot be one's sole basis, otherwise one is liable to have faith in a delusion.

That makes no sense at all. Keep reaching.

If they want to convince me that what they have faith in is true, absolutely. This is a debate forum. It is not a faith forum.

No one is trying to convince you of anything on this debate forum. You are trying to make a claim that you cannot prove, lol.
 
Re: A Q for Christians - What parts/events of the NT are absolute fact and true?

No one is trying to convince you of anything on this debate forum. You are trying to make a claim that you cannot prove, lol.

The whole point of bringing anything up here is to convince others of things, that's what a debate is. Or were you unaware of that?
 
Re: A Q for Christians - What parts/events of the NT are absolute fact and true?

The whole point of bringing anything up here is to convince others of things, that's what a debate is. Or were you unaware of that?


So what have you convinced other of so far?

That's right... Nothing.
 
Re: A Q for Christians - What parts/events of the NT are absolute fact and true?

So what have you convinced other of so far?

That's right... Nothing.

On rational subjects? Quite a bit. Religion is not a rational subject, nor have I tried to convince anyone that any position is true, I've just followed the evidence where it leads, which is pretty much nowhere because there is no objective evidence.
 
Re: A Q for Christians - What parts/events of the NT are absolute fact and true?

On rational subjects? Quite a bit. Religion is not a rational subject, nor have I tried to convince anyone that any position is true, I've just followed the evidence where it leads, which is pretty much nowhere because there is no objective evidence.

A perfect example of you dismissing your own argument before you even begin.

Move along nothing as yet to see here.
 
Re: A Q for Christians - What parts/events of the NT are absolute fact and true?

A perfect example of you dismissing your own argument before you even begin.

Funny, lots of your fellow theists are only too happy to admit that their religion is wholly irrational. I'm not dismissing my own argument, I'm using the argument of theists!

Not that you seem to care about that.
 
Re: A Q for Christians - What parts/events of the NT are absolute fact and true?

I call it a mental dysfunction.
Cool.

I call Atheism a ruse to conceal tendencies of Paedophilia.

See how that works, Mr I Must Always Omit Your Comments Because I Can't Handle Them?
 
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