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When The Earth Is Eventually Swallowed By Our Sun.....

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With all the activities of the human race vanished when the Sun swells engulfing this planet Earth how then is the universe explained? It is except for Earth a lifeless void of rocks and fireballs and when Earth disappears will continue to be same. Why did we exist at all? What was beneficial to the universe by having life on one of trillions of planets? Now it is believed the universe will continue to expand to the point of oblivion. So why did it start? Unless there is some wild, unimagineable event before all this takes place it seems to me to be a stupid waste of everything only to have it all disappear in to nothingness. My only thought that would make sense is the universe stops expanding then contracts to the point of a second big bang over and over and over but what good is that as well?
 
I believe in God and I believe that he created the universe, life, humanity, and has a plan for that creation. I also do not believe though that God created the universe, life, and humanity to be an eternal thing in this finite universe.
 
With all the activities of the human race vanished when the Sun swells engulfing this planet Earth how then is the universe explained? It is except for Earth a lifeless void of rocks and fireballs and when Earth disappears will continue to be same. Why did we exist at all? What was beneficial to the universe by having life on one of trillions of planets? Now it is believed the universe will continue to expand to the point of oblivion. So why did it start? Unless there is some wild, unimagineable event before all this takes place it seems to me to be a stupid waste of everything only to have it all disappear in to nothingness. My only thought that would make sense is the universe stops expanding then contracts to the point of a second big bang over and over and over but what good is that as well?

Who knows and quite honestly - who cares? Once the earth is destroyed (whichever method does it) none of us will be around for the aftermath. To question why... sometimes things aren't meant to be explained. Sometimes, it's "just because". I don't know about you, but I'll continue on living my life the best I can and try to be a good human being. Once I'm gone, eventually nobody will remember me. I don't ask why.... I just know that's how it is.

We could theorize until the cows come home but in the end... none of us truly knows what will happen or WHY.
 
It is except for Earth a lifeless void of rocks and fireballs and when Earth disappears will continue to be same.
You've presented this as a statement of fact. May I ask what evidence you have that the universe is devoid of all life? SETI and the rest of the world is waiting for your reply.
 
With all the activities of the human race vanished when the Sun swells engulfing this planet Earth how then is the universe explained? It is except for Earth a lifeless void of rocks and fireballs and when Earth disappears will continue to be same. Why did we exist at all? What was beneficial to the universe by having life on one of trillions of planets? Now it is believed the universe will continue to expand to the point of oblivion. So why did it start? Unless there is some wild, unimagineable event before all this takes place it seems to me to be a stupid waste of everything only to have it all disappear in to nothingness. My only thought that would make sense is the universe stops expanding then contracts to the point of a second big bang over and over and over but what good is that as well?

I sincerely doubt at such a point if we're around we would still have all of our eggs in one basket (Earth.)

What makes you think we won't have colonies in the next centuries?
 
With all the activities of the human race vanished when the Sun swells engulfing this planet Earth how then is the universe explained? It is except for Earth a lifeless void of rocks and fireballs and when Earth disappears will continue to be same. Why did we exist at all? What was beneficial to the universe by having life on one of trillions of planets? Now it is believed the universe will continue to expand to the point of oblivion. So why did it start? Unless there is some wild, unimagineable event before all this takes place it seems to me to be a stupid waste of everything only to have it all disappear in to nothingness. My only thought that would make sense is the universe stops expanding then contracts to the point of a second big bang over and over and over but what good is that as well?

The universe is expanding faster and faster and FASTER
 
With all the activities of the human race vanished when the Sun swells engulfing this planet Earth...

It's very likely the human race will vanish much earlier than that, but OK.

.. how then is the universe explained?

The same way it was explained for the 9.7 billions of years of its existence before our solar system was formed. The universe exists independently of the human existence, consciousness or understanding or explaining of it, whatever the last two terms mean.

It is except for Earth a lifeless void of rocks and fireballs and when Earth disappears will continue to be same.

There are about a dozen of erroneous assumptions you're making in every 3 or 4 words in the above comment.

Was the universe a lifeless void of rocks and fireballs before Earth was formed? If it was, then that lifeless void of rocks not only may have created a vast number of other Earths in this or other galaxies, but it can also create a vast number of Earths after Earth is obliterated by the Sun.

When contemplating universal reality, one has to be able to step outside the bubble of their own impression of existence and look at things from an objective standpoint that does not depend on humans as a necessary part of any explanation they come up with about the universe.

Why did we exist at all?

The term "why", like all human language, is vague and its meaning depends on other contextual information. Are you looking for your own personal emotional gratification from an answer to this question? Is your question scientific in nature, and refers to the universal processes of existence? More often than not, people seem to be exasperated that we don't yet know the answers to everything. Only a few years ago people thought that having a headache meant that evil spirits were occupying one's head and they would puncture the patient's skull to let the evil spirits out. Your question seems to be in the same category of expressing dissatisfaction that there is yet a lot left for us to know, discover and figure out.

What was beneficial to the universe by having life on one of trillions of planets?

Beneficial is another of those vague, subjective terms that may not mean anything at all. Biological life as we know it, is part of the universe. If you're wondering what's beneficial about it then you suppose that the universe has self-centered interests, like humans have.


Now it is believed the universe will continue to expand to the point of oblivion.

It's not "believed". Cosmology is not a religion. It's theorized with substantially reasonable arguments to back it up. We may discover something in the next 1,000 years that may change our theories about the ultimate fate of the universe. It doesn't look like that''s likely, though.


...but what good is that as well?

It depends on what "good" means. It won't double the balance of your checking account, so it's not good in that respect.

We can only speculate about the universe at this point, but the certain thing is that human concepts of good, bad, useful, wasteful, interesting, important, etc, are all irrelevant to the universe, as is human existence itself.

A somewhat relating analogy is to think of a butterfly that has a life span of a few weeks, landing on a branch of an oak tree that has a life span of 600 years, and the butterfly thinking that the oak tree is dead, because in the few days that it has been landing on the same spot, nothing on the oak tree branch has changed.
 
With all the activities of the human race vanished when the Sun swells engulfing this planet Earth how then is the universe explained? It is except for Earth a lifeless void of rocks and fireballs and when Earth disappears will continue to be same. Why did we exist at all? What was beneficial to the universe by having life on one of trillions of planets? Now it is believed the universe will continue to expand to the point of oblivion. So why did it start? Unless there is some wild, unimagineable event before all this takes place it seems to me to be a stupid waste of everything only to have it all disappear in to nothingness. My only thought that would make sense is the universe stops expanding then contracts to the point of a second big bang over and over and over but what good is that as well?

The reality is that nothing matters, your life humanities existence any of it. It is what it is and it was what it was.
 
It's very likely the human race will vanish much earlier than that, but OK.



The same way it was explained for the 9.7 billions of years of its existence before our solar system was formed. The universe exists independently of the human existence, consciousness or understanding or explaining of it, whatever the last two terms mean.



There are about a dozen of erroneous assumptions you're making in every 3 or 4 words in the above comment.

Was the universe a lifeless void of rocks and fireballs before Earth was formed? If it was, then that lifeless void of rocks not only may have created a vast number of other Earths in this or other galaxies, but it can also create a vast number of Earths after Earth is obliterated by the Sun.

When contemplating universal reality, one has to be able to step outside the bubble of their own impression of existence and look at things from an objective standpoint that does not depend on humans as a necessary part of any explanation they come up with about the universe.



The term "why", like all human language, is vague and its meaning depends on other contextual information. Are you looking for your own personal emotional gratification from an answer to this question? Is your question scientific in nature, and refers to the universal processes of existence? More often than not, people seem to be exasperated that we don't yet know the answers to everything. Only a few years ago people thought that having a headache meant that evil spirits were occupying one's head and they would puncture the patient's skull to let the evil spirits out. Your question seems to be in the same category of expressing dissatisfaction that there is yet a lot left for us to know, discover and figure out.



Beneficial is another of those vague, subjective terms that may not mean anything at all. Biological life as we know it, is part of the universe. If you're wondering what's beneficial about it then you suppose that the universe has self-centered interests, like humans have.


Now it is believed the universe will continue to expand to the point of oblivion.

It's not "believed". Cosmology is not a religion. It's theorized with substantially reasonable arguments to back it up. We may discover something in the next 1,000 years that may change our theories about the ultimate fate of the universe. It doesn't look like that''s likely, though.




It depends on what "good" means. It won't double the balance of your checking account, so it's not good in that respect.

We can only speculate about the universe at this point, but the certain thing is that human concepts of good, bad, useful, wasteful, interesting, important, etc, are all irrelevant to the universe, as is human existence itself.

A somewhat relating analogy is to think of a butterfly that has a life span of a few weeks, landing on a branch of an oak tree that has a life span of 600 years, and the butterfly thinking that the oak tree is dead, because in the few days that it has been landing on the same spot, nothing on the oak tree branch has changed.

The butterfly analogy is cool.
 
With all the activities of the human race vanished when the Sun swells engulfing this planet Earth how then is the universe explained? It is except for Earth a lifeless void of rocks and fireballs and when Earth disappears will continue to be same. Why did we exist at all? What was beneficial to the universe by having life on one of trillions of planets? Now it is believed the universe will continue to expand to the point of oblivion. So why did it start? Unless there is some wild, unimagineable event before all this takes place it seems to me to be a stupid waste of everything only to have it all disappear in to nothingness. My only thought that would make sense is the universe stops expanding then contracts to the point of a second big bang over and over and over but what good is that as well?

You are under the presumption that mankind won't eventually leave the Earth during the millions of years it will take for the Earth to be swallowed up by our Sun.
 
Mankind - Another century or so if we are lucky

The Earth - 10 or so billion years but it will be a desert long before then.
 
With all the activities of the human race vanished when the Sun swells engulfing this planet Earth how then is the universe explained? It is except for Earth a lifeless void of rocks and fireballs and when Earth disappears will continue to be same. Why did we exist at all? What was beneficial to the universe by having life on one of trillions of planets? Now it is believed the universe will continue to expand to the point of oblivion. So why did it start? Unless there is some wild, unimagineable event before all this takes place it seems to me to be a stupid waste of everything only to have it all disappear in to nothingness. My only thought that would make sense is the universe stops expanding then contracts to the point of a second big bang over and over and over but what good is that as well?

They've (astrophysicists et al) have changed their views on the shape of the universe, the number of universes, amount of dark matter, basic rules and theories on how it will all 'end' sometimes multiple times within a single year so I wouldn't count on the expansion theory remaining forever. The sun will not erupt into a red giant for another 5 billion years or so, so I also wouldn't bet on humanity still being around at least not in our same shape and form.

Point being, things change and those things none of us will ever have to confront or worry about so questions like why it all started and why we exist are fun but not something I would get too upset about.
 
"Why" is a human concept. The universe doesn't have a reason for doing what it does, it just does things because that's how physics works. Any meaning attached to things is of our own design and therefore our existence means what we think it means.
 
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