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Why people need to shove their beliefs down others' throats

Juiposa

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Disclaimer: This is not in reference to any political belief set, but a general statement. It happens to people I know from every end of the politcal spectrum.

It has always and continues to baffle me why some people seem to feel the need to shove thier beliefs down the throats of others. Unwilling to budge on any issue, and need to inform of everyone why they are the pinnical of being right, why the opposite camp is so wrong in every way.

I try to confrom to the camp of not doing so. When I see those for seem so hateful, so arrogant of thier beliefs, spewing the rhetoric all over others, I cannot help but think lowely of them. Many of the sort of people I speak of, when not speaking about politcs, are very admirable people. I confuses me to see these sort of admirable people turn into those who want to rip my throat out everytime I mention something they do not like.

What is it about politcs that does this to otherwise nice people? Where did all this vicousness come from?

May be passion for oneself and your beliefs, and you simply are ignorant to how you seem to be acting to others; or may be a superiority complex issue, wherein you must be right about everything and trunch the competition; or maybe the way you were raised, taught not to accept any others ideas save your own and to spread your to others.

Any thoughts are welcome, and as the disclaimer says, all beliefs are applicable.

Do not bring politics into this, this is a philosophical discussion.

Edit: Can a mod please change the title to: "Why people need to shove thier beliefs down others' throats?" Silly typos....
 
Beliefs is a good word.

For some it is like a religous experience. Your not arguing with their daydreams but the very basis of what they believe in & then for others its life & death.

Politics can effect people directly, so if your job, your home, your bussiness, or your profits are on the line, your not exactly going to back down & anyone with an opossing view is a threat.

If my views on an issue directly threatened your livelyhood how would you feel & wouldnt you want to move heaven & earth to change my mind?

For some people its just talk, for others its much more than that.
 
Juiposa said:
Disclaimer: This is not in reference to any political belief set, but a general statement. It happens to people I know from every end of the politcal spectrum.

It has always and continues to baffle me why some people seem to feel the need to shove thier beliefs down the throats of others. Unwilling to budge on any issue, and need to inform of everyone why they are the pinnical of being right, why the opposite camp is so wrong in every way.

I try to confrom to the camp of not doing so. When I see those for seem so hateful, so arrogant of thier beliefs, spewing the rhetoric all over others, I cannot help but think lowely of them. Many of the sort of people I speak of, when not speaking about politcs, are very admirable people. I confuses me to see these sort of admirable people turn into those who want to rip my throat out everytime I mention something they do not like.

What is it about politcs that does this to otherwise nice people? Where did all this vicousness come from?

May be passion for oneself and your beliefs, and you simply are ignorant to how you seem to be acting to others; or may be a superiority complex issue, wherein you must be right about everything and trunch the competition; or maybe the way you were raised, taught not to accept any others ideas save your own and to spread your to others.

Any thoughts are welcome, and as the disclaimer says, all beliefs are applicable.

Do not bring politics into this, this is a philosophical discussion.

Edit: Can a mod please change the title to: "Why people need to shove thier beliefs down others' throats?" Silly typos....
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I know, it's frustrating, isn't it?
 
People who are uncertain want to convert others as a substitute for themselves, I think, and it's themselves they are arguing with. A lot of other people, however, are happy as a result of holding the beliefs they do hold and feel other people would also be happy if they felt the same - but often they lack any training in convincing others. There are also people who (like me, I'm afraid) enjoy a good argument and think you best convince others by being very straight and honest rather than pretending chalk's cheese.
 
It is particularly annoying when they are so obviously wrong. :)
 
where there is many reasons u have to seek the answer in the question more so not in relation with anything objective

it is always one answer to one question bc the question is always the answer right, as the answer is always the right question

so people need to do that bc another is always an ennemy of one, so u cant deal with others beliefs unless u kill them a bit so by livin out of their death

that is why i keep always repeatin how words are nothing that matter, what really matter is individual full realisations of means ends in free state
so freedom right for any is what matter base

which is surely why evil is first issue end before existence is true

now to answer negatively, so outside of ur question, i would say that conscious existence differ principally by being consciously or consciously not being

who is consciously is right
while who consciously wont b is wrong

bc who is consciously is relatively a true conscious while conscious is present free superiority so relative true conscious act in respect to objective superiority as it knows being true values

it is a shame that all is revealin that sick incapacity to reason in truth and that insistence to found refuge in one justifications

else is not the other the other is always an ennemy else is truth

a thing is a thing so a thing relation is smthg else, it is easy everyone know that but it is hard to say it in right words
 
The other part of this which has nothing to do with politics because it can extend to almost every aspect of an idea or belief is the degree to which the belief becomes ingrained into the persons "profile".

Some people just like to argue and don't really have any point.

Some people refuse to accept any position beyond which they are comfortable.

Some people have religious beliefs that are very strongly held.

Others have allowed a thought pattern to become so ingrained into their belief system that it becomes self sustaining. The problem is that such a belief system is sustained by a self fulfilling prophecy. And as a result is not amenable to being challanged. Every time it is challenged it becomed more ingrained and so on. At some point these type belief systems become delusionally based.
 
I like the feedback so far.

May I ask if anyone is willing to share any examples so I can get a better idea?

I return I share my example: I have an uncle, my father's brother, second oldest of four children. My dad is the youngest. He is a socialist like myself, but much more outspoken. Outspoken in the sense I outlined above. He's been a drug and pot user most of his life, not so much now though, so he is very eccentric and out of it most time I see him. Even when not drinking or smoking, he's still eccentric.

Any political topic, he gets very worked up, to the point he it visually agitated. He get twitchy and speaks non stop. He will just keep going on and on, not leaving anyone the chance to speak. When given the chance to speak, if you disagree, so help you. He will voice everything wrong with your thoughts and tell every reason he's "right." Then he gives you little chance to rebuttal.

He's the sort of person who write emails to Stephen Harper on a regular basis, almost daily, to the point were the PM's office has asked him to stop.

He is a prime example of the above.
 
This thread should be in a Sex forum due to repeated pornographic references.
Juiposa said:
Edit: Can a mod please change the title to: "Why people need to shove thier beliefs down others' throats?" Silly typos....
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I feel your pain about the typos. I thought it was supposed to be "i" before "e" except after "c"...so logically since there's no "c" in "their", the correct spelling should be "thier", but Chrome is telling me it's incorrect. Obviously Chrome doesn't know how to spell.

Anyway, to the topic: Why do people <want to get their way>: I don't know what kind of answer you're looking for since the reasons change with the specific issue. Could you re-word the question so as to be more specific?
 
Juiposa said:
I like the feedback so far.

May I ask if anyone is willing to share any examples so I can get a better idea?

I return I share my example: I have an uncle, my father's brother, second oldest of four children. My dad is the youngest. He is a socialist like myself, but much more outspoken. Outspoken in the sense I outlined above. He's been a drug and pot user most of his life, not so much now though, so he is very eccentric and out of it most time I see him. Even when not drinking or smoking, he's still eccentric.

Any political topic, he gets very worked up, to the point he it visually agitated. He get twitchy and speaks non stop. He will just keep going on and on, not leaving anyone the chance to speak. When given the chance to speak, if you disagree, so help you. He will voice everything wrong with your thoughts and tell every reason he's "right." Then he gives you little chance to rebuttal.

He's the sort of person who write emails to Stephen Harper on a regular basis, almost daily, to the point were the PM's office has asked him to stop.

He is a prime example of the above.
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So you're asking "why are some people opinionated"? I would guess because they have passion about the issue. Why do some people have passion about an issue? That's highly personal and subjective. Ask 1000 people and you'll receive 1000 different answers. Ask one person why they're pro-life and they might quote scripture. Ask another person why they're pro-life and they might actually be pro-choice but identify with the GOP on other issues. Ask me why I'm pro-life and I just think caring for your children is a basic human responsibility. Ask someone else and maybe they regret an earlier abortion. Ask Bodhisattva why he's pro-life and he'll quote the 14th Amendment. Who knows.

http://www.hark.com/clips/fgtrbhwjnm-did-god-paint-you
 
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I think Jerry has hit on an interesting possibility, that from our own conclusions and personal experience we feel impassioned to enlighten others. And are not only vindicated in our own beliefs when others confirm but we're accepted as inspiring truth. What we don't often stay open towards is that though, there is always a best or right way it's not always the absolute, only way. If I hadn't made some bad choices in life I wouldn't have learned as much. So frustrating as it is we all need room to make mistakes in choices and beliefs. Freedom makes us want to "shove our beliefs down stubborn peoples throats."
 
i disagree, in truth ur bad choices force u to stay bad till the end of bad which wont b bc of u

ur problem is what u will never admit the truth, even as a concept bc u know that truth is then all concept or thing or present it cant b but truth

and the idea of being relatively true essentially and realistically as a relation to a fact, that idea revulses u
but in a way u r goin to b forced to truth in being totally reversed
and actually ur wrong choices are announcin ur end as being the wrong to truth that must step on ur face

like there is right choices, poor ones like me, those right choices from the start they are forced in truth to keep choosin rights where at the end truth is through them existing only as true existence is about mostly so exclusively about rights objective rights

so the wrong u r as revulsed doubly, bc not only u cant admit truth but also u have right others now that u cant more accept, so revulsed doubly urgin the end where truth is supposed to reverse u by force

yes b upset, rights are forever never returned and they gonna get it all much more then what u got since all u got but also truly

but it is not their fault since always it is about truth which only exist, go find it and argue with haha
 
Personally speaking the world would be a very boring place to me if everyone believed as I do. I would then be forced to adopt contrary positions just to avoid boredom. That is not to say purposefully try to "shove my beliefs down others throats." To the contrary I want people to disagree with me. I want that disagreement though to be thoughtful and thought provoking. I suppose unlike many on this board I do not come here to argue. I do not come here to convince. I do not come here to show others how smart or dumb I am. My sole purpose in coming here is to debate others with differing views. I want to be disagreed with and I want to be able to breakdown and respond to others arguments in a thought provoking way.

Why do other people want to shove their beliefs down others throats? Complicated answer that has many facets. Here is what I have noticed.

1. Insecurity - people who are not certain of their beliefs but want to belong to groups that believe in certain ways seem to relish in trying to force others to submit to their beliefs.
2. Self-righteousness - people who are so self-assured in their own belief system that they think people who think differently are stupid, ignorant or evil.
3. Narcissitic - people who are completely self centered and cannot believe that other people would have the timarity or bad manners to disagree with them.
4. Sociopathic - people who are incapable of believing that other people have the same feelings and emotions as themselves. They believe other people only exist as it pertains to them.
 
Juiposa said:
I like the feedback so far.

May I ask if anyone is willing to share any examples so I can get a better idea?

I return I share my example: I have an uncle, my father's brother, second oldest of four children. My dad is the youngest. He is a socialist like myself, but much more outspoken. Outspoken in the sense I outlined above. He's been a drug and pot user most of his life, not so much now though, so he is very eccentric and out of it most time I see him. Even when not drinking or smoking, he's still eccentric.

Any political topic, he gets very worked up, to the point he it visually agitated. He get twitchy and speaks non stop. He will just keep going on and on, not leaving anyone the chance to speak. When given the chance to speak, if you disagree, so help you. He will voice everything wrong with your thoughts and tell every reason he's "right." Then he gives you little chance to rebuttal.

He's the sort of person who write emails to Stephen Harper on a regular basis, almost daily, to the point were the PM's office has asked him to stop.

He is a prime example of the above.
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I'd guess the stuff he is into , more than his opinions, cause the difficulty - but a lot can also come from frustration - if you live amongst a lot of brainwashed anti-socialists you are used to being shouted down and grab what chances you have.
 
Juiposa said:
Disclaimer: This is not in reference to any political belief set, but a general statement. It happens to people I know from every end of the politcal spectrum.

It has always and continues to baffle me why some people seem to feel the need to shove thier beliefs down the throats of others. Unwilling to budge on any issue, and need to inform of everyone why they are the pinnical of being right, why the opposite camp is so wrong in every way.

I try to confrom to the camp of not doing so. When I see those for seem so hateful, so arrogant of thier beliefs, spewing the rhetoric all over others, I cannot help but think lowely of them. Many of the sort of people I speak of, when not speaking about politcs, are very admirable people. I confuses me to see these sort of admirable people turn into those who want to rip my throat out everytime I mention something they do not like.

What is it about politcs that does this to otherwise nice people? Where did all this vicousness come from?

May be passion for oneself and your beliefs, and you simply are ignorant to how you seem to be acting to others; or may be a superiority complex issue, wherein you must be right about everything and trunch the competition; or maybe the way you were raised, taught not to accept any others ideas save your own and to spread your to others.

Any thoughts are welcome, and as the disclaimer says, all beliefs are applicable.

Do not bring politics into this, this is a philosophical discussion.

Edit: Can a mod please change the title to: "Why people need to shove thier beliefs down others' throats?" Silly typos....
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I'll let these guys explain the why of it .....




:mrgreen:
 
Juiposa said:
I like the feedback so far.

May I ask if anyone is willing to share any examples so I can get a better idea?

I return I share my example: I have an uncle, my father's brother, second oldest of four children. My dad is the youngest. He is a socialist like myself, but much more outspoken. Outspoken in the sense I outlined above. He's been a drug and pot user most of his life, not so much now though, so he is very eccentric and out of it most time I see him. Even when not drinking or smoking, he's still eccentric.

Any political topic, he gets very worked up, to the point he it visually agitated. He get twitchy and speaks non stop. He will just keep going on and on, not leaving anyone the chance to speak. When given the chance to speak, if you disagree, so help you. He will voice everything wrong with your thoughts and tell every reason he's "right." Then he gives you little chance to rebuttal.

He's the sort of person who write emails to Stephen Harper on a regular basis, almost daily, to the point were the PM's office has asked him to stop.

He is a prime example of the above.
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My very best friend. I love her to death but as we've gotten older, she is so firmly of the belief that anyone who does agree with her on anything, no matter how small, that she must then issue a diatribe on why they are wrong. It will not end until the person a) finally gives in and agree, b)stops responding c) walks away. We are of the same political stripe, so at least I don't have to hear about that, but I risk the constant assessment of whatever I do whenever I'm around her.

One small, inconsequential for instance, the movie "Excalibur". To her, the casting of Guinevere was a sacrilege, "the actress is a brunette and everyone knows Guinevere was a blonde". Ok, so... "Well how can you watch it? Also, the Lady of the Lake looks like a Malibu beach bunny". So... "I'll never watch it again." Ok. "You will?" Ummmmm..yeah, it's a fun movie. Good production values and so forth. "Good production? Guinevere was a blonde!"*

Now, that conversation could have gone on for an hour until I found a way to divert her attention, or she gave into it. There is no room for other people's opinions and it's a fight to the death until a, b, or c. LOL

She is a good person though and there is great value in her friendship. :)

*please don't argue that she's right or that the movie is dumb.:)
 
We all want our beliefs to be dominant and for them to have power, that may be why.
 
try to see ur means objectively, what is own beliefs??? what u believe is what u r ready to support absolutely for what u know enjoyin its fact being existing superiority
a belief is a reference to true existence superiority, smthg that u r willin to admit matter always more then u but positively mayb bc u r relatively same in less proportion or that u really enjoy that superior existence being around urself constant awareness, or mayb u picture positive ways of being to do by speculation on that superiority use

but this is not my point, this is only the fact base of the point

so the point is, when ur beliefs is what u mean supportin being objective superiority in all terms, then how could u expect being tolerant about others beliefs??? it is impossible

this is what show how the free space is crucial existence, objectively and subjectively then existence would b free realities that are

this in a way what prove truth existence as the base of objective existence fact
otherwise it is impossible
the reason of objective is always objective superiority that exist already, all gods and any god im sure know this, which also prove gods being evil life, that mean directly and without shame to abuse that fact and truth existence bases of it
 
I think you'll find people that listen do not force their opinions on others while the blabber mouths typically do. Your question is "why" do they. The answer is there are different types of people, some we enjoy and some we can do without. Some do it with good intentions but again they are not listening while others do it for recognition, status and power.
 
Because when people believe as I do I feel validated. Everyone feels insecure about thier choices, we feel much more secure in our choices when others agree with us.
 
By the topic line on the forum main page I thought this might be a sexuality forum topic. :doh

The answer to the topic would seem to be the same reason people rage back and forth over politics on this forum, knowing they aren't changing anyone's mind or vote.
 
It comes from insecurity.

Juiposa said:
Disclaimer: This is not in reference to any political belief set, but a general statement. It happens to people I know from every end of the politcal spectrum.

It has always and continues to baffle me why some people seem to feel the need to shove thier beliefs down the throats of others. Unwilling to budge on any issue, and need to inform of everyone why they are the pinnical of being right, why the opposite camp is so wrong in every way.

I try to confrom to the camp of not doing so. When I see those for seem so hateful, so arrogant of thier beliefs, spewing the rhetoric all over others, I cannot help but think lowely of them. Many of the sort of people I speak of, when not speaking about politcs, are very admirable people. I confuses me to see these sort of admirable people turn into those who want to rip my throat out everytime I mention something they do not like.

What is it about politcs that does this to otherwise nice people? Where did all this vicousness come from?

May be passion for oneself and your beliefs, and you simply are ignorant to how you seem to be acting to others; or may be a superiority complex issue, wherein you must be right about everything and trunch the competition; or maybe the way you were raised, taught not to accept any others ideas save your own and to spread your to others.

Any thoughts are welcome, and as the disclaimer says, all beliefs are applicable.

Do not bring politics into this, this is a philosophical discussion.

Edit: Can a mod please change the title to: "Why people need to shove thier beliefs down others' throats?" Silly typos....
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Juiposa said:
Do not bring politics into this, this is a philosophical discussion.
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It's both. As for the political angle, you wield no power to refashion a society, as an individual. Your policies require assent. This is the nature of authority.
 
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