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If hell exists, would you realize you were there

how do u know that, did u been there or are u hired by god for sendin others to hell

who are u to mean knowin what others endure or mean or worse deserve or hell as a fact u see clear

anyway if god is what send to hell people that turn their back on him while being all powerful deity up, then hell is what is made especially for that one god to put him inn which justify why he is reactin as such by knowin that in meaning everyone to hell and him not

but for how long could he escape true objective ends, if he is all powerful he must get inside alone and accept his end

if what is powerful cannot do alone his means when any conscious can b constant in doing its own self means, then it says how what is powerful must always b ruined and how rights are only what never use else to appear existing or to live
 
There really is no point in arguing for or against god/heaven/hell. It's really a case of we don't know, but we will find out. Using the bible, or really any kind of theology to prove god's existence is useless. That was all created by man. All you have is faith, which isn't tangible or quantifiable. Now non-believers will try and use science as a method of disproving God. This is also flawed. Imagine an omnipotent being with the ability to create all. They create a world where the people have free will, the right to choose whether or not to believe. Now, why would this being allow this world the ability to prove or disprove them? They wouldn't, it would go against their purpose for creating said world.

It's really about believing in what gets you through the day.

Back to the OP, I always imagined hell as a groundhog type event where you would relive a truly heinous event over and over again. Mine would be strapped to a chair and force to watch/listen to Waterfalls by TLC. If I knew that was coming because of my sins, I would repent in a heartbeat.
 
Peter Grimm said:
if God is bent on punishing you to eternal damnation, He can find a way.
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The ever-creative and ever-vigilant torturer? Was he being satan in that role? This is so confusing.
 
it is not confusin at all, god and satan are not one same but anyone is the same mean of usin else superiority rights by stepin on
livin by killin
takin advantage from knowin truth being superiority, so easily steppin on any else and claimin its superiority as u want to say possessin it

the only difference between u is relative application to that rule, but objectively the effect is absolutely the same since done by objective truth
 
Is it just me, or is the concept behind hell and heaven easier to understand than this post?

absols said:
it is not confusin at all, god and satan are not one same but anyone is the same mean of usin else superiority rights by stepin on
livin by killin
takin advantage from knowin truth being superiority, so easily steppin on any else and claimin its superiority as u want to say possessin it

the only difference between u is relative application to that rule, but objectively the effect is absolutely the same since done by objective truth
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Not sure, it depends on how it differed from my workplace. The two are very similar.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
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Actually, separation from "god" seems pretty good right now. :shrug:



Full potential? What if I dictate my full potential to be a suicide bomber and am successful? Does that not mean I lived up to my full potential?



So "god" is a Sadist?
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I still love that graphic!
 
absols said:
it is not confusin at all, god and satan are not one same but anyone is the same mean of usin else superiority rights by stepin on
livin by killin
takin advantage from knowin truth being superiority, so easily steppin on any else and claimin its superiority as u want to say possessin it

the only difference between u is relative application to that rule, but objectively the effect is absolutely the same since done by objective truth
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You are back Onemale arent you!
 
yes in truth, the middle is nothing reality while ups and downs are the same relative reality

when truth mean what is objectively constant, then it brings opposite to deny constant possibility but in meaning that same in opposite form is truth existence

so one is never true and nothing is one free absolute reality that cant b right

but in truth objective abstractions, what is down is superior in negative ways and what is up is inferior in positive ways, as the only way for ups and downs could reach being an objective existence constantly right so the true fact of free existence being an objective constant value ends
 
FreedomFromAll said:
You are back Onemale arent you!
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yea it seems that every one is wether a chicken or subjective will so nothing to objective value

but then males or females do not exist since all is wrong or that only one way is right

while what is sure is that im never back as im the always face value so u mean to confuse me with smthg else
 
absols said:
yea it seems that every one is wether a chicken or subjective will so nothing to objective value

but then males or females do not exist since all is wrong or that only one way is right

while what is sure is that im never back as im the always face value so u mean to confuse me with smthg else
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Ill take that as a yes.
 
Interesting thread. Personally, I'm not of the opinion that God does punishment. That's just another example of orthodox religions, doing what they do best.
 
of course god dont punish since it is the abuse of nonpunishment fact, creations life instead of realities life

but god is a will which is worse, so what enforce all things and enslave rights to accept any justification of being inferior that must b tortured by force for the will creations, since wat is inferior by definition cant walk but as a dog forced or lied to

which prove how hell is meant as a reality not outside to, so the only existence bc of god so more any is real the more it must b forced to appear as being form of god will
 
Peter Grimm said:
According to Christian theology, God can and does stop people from going to Hell.

However... you claim to know that God is not bothered that people go to hell, since he has the ability to stop that from occurring.

If a child cheats on a test in school and the teacher sends the child to detention, are you to assume the teacher is a sadist or is not bothered by having to discipline the child? Of course not. No good parent or teacher enjoys disciplining their children, but it is necessary all the same.

Likewise, according to Christian theology, the just punishment for sin is death. God saves us from death through an act of mercy and pardon.

I'm not familiar with the omnipotence paradox. :) Perhaps I should read up on it, I do love a good mind-bender.
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The only reason punishment should exist is to teach or reform the person being punished.

A school teacher sends the child to detention in order to reform him. A more proper scenario would be that the child was never told that cheating was wrong, and when he cheated, the teacher locked him in his basement for all of eternity and tortured him.

God has no intention of reforming people if he sends them to eternal hellfire. At that point it's just being vindictive.

Peter Grimm said:
Do you have kids? Do you ever have to discipline them? Does that mean you enjoy doing it?
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Once again, I hope with your own kids you don't make up rules, don't tell them what the rules are, then torture them for the rest of their lives when they violate those rules.
 
punishment cant b for any good by itself, when pain belong to negative things then it cant do

but punishment is to enforce inferiority for true existence facts, only what is superior exist and appear in positive reality shape

inferiority enforcements are rights only when smthg step on superior value to mean being the superior thing, then logically in free objective terms, true superiority would confirm the thing being superior all the ways existing by forcing wat meant to step upon to more negative state forever so as constant inferiority while making the thing superior appear also in a way by force as superior reality for constant terms
so in a way of objective freedom, it would b saying that there is no enforcement but existence is so what is inferior always became really inferior always and what is superior always became the real existence fact

it sounds weird wat i say i know, but it is more logical then what u say so it cant b wrong comparing to ur words
it is weird bc i cant reason or accept that smthg could appear existing while it is fake or not true
face value is serious fact to me not a reason to speculate on smthg different or else
 
RabidAlpaca said:
The only reason punishment should exist is to teach or reform the person being punished.

A school teacher sends the child to detention in order to reform him. A more proper scenario would be that the child was never told that cheating was wrong, and when he cheated, the teacher locked him in his basement for all of eternity and tortured him.

God has no intention of reforming people if he sends them to eternal hellfire. At that point it's just being vindictive.



Once again, I hope with your own kids you don't make up rules, don't tell them what the rules are, then torture them for the rest of their lives when they violate those rules.
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Well obviously god hates himself.
 
no u keep believing god instead of truth

god is not all when it is even a liar about him one, while truth is of course always all and any since it is nothing but constant superior objective existence thing

so obviously god is not u when he hates u

as obviously is that one cant in all terms or ways hurt himself, it is a true rule that creations base its wills upon to appear living
 
only inferiors mean to hurt themselves while by always torturin others, in terms of what inferiors do not exist

like what some people cant admit being possessed as a body or admit being aware out of a condition
bc inferiority trait is also what exist by else superiority, so it cant admit anything especially when consciously willing to know anything, it would keep acting as if it is knowin itself life and keep killin sources and rights
 
I don't believe in a literal hell, especially as described in the NT. I think hell is an invention of the early christian leadership, along with the reward of heaven, to keep the ignorant masses in line...
 
UtahBill said:
I don't believe in a literal hell, especially as described in the NT. I think hell is an invention of the early christian leadership, along with the reward of heaven, to keep the ignorant masses in line...
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Precisely that. Hell is an absurdity.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Punishment exists to serve justice as well as to reform.
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Good, so I'm glad you admit it. God doesn't punish us to reform us, he does it for revenge.
These are the same people that call god a loving god.

I hope you don't treat your children like that.
 
wait to see right people revenges if it is eternal or not

god revenge is nothing to u, bc u r that thing living of anything speculations, having no respect to existence fact nor consideration of being real

how the hell are u gonna recognize worse when it is ur life to know that it is done on right conscious beings

so i repeat wait to see right people revenges not god revenge
 
absols said:
wait to see right people revenges if it is eternal or not

god revenge is nothing to u, bc u r that thing living of anything speculations, having no respect to existence fact nor consideration of being real

how the hell are u gonna recognize worse when it is ur life to know that it is done on right conscious beings

so i repeat wait to see right people revenges not god revenge
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Is this written in English?
 
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