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American said:
Your post demonstrates that you either overgeneralize, haven't read the Bible or are in total denial about what it actually says. If you can't find truth in the simple premise of "Love your neighbor", then I really pity you. I'm telling you that science will never teach you that truth.
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it might be nice if those who read the bible could all find truth in the simple premise of "Love your neighbor"

there are a significant number of Christians, especially among those who frequent forums like this, who seem ignorant of this concept.
 
marywollstonecraft said:
I have not heard of atheists doing that, but I have certainly come across atheists (including in the real world) who deliberately say things to belittle people who do believe in God, when those people have not done anything to invite such hostility.

This is rude, arrogant and childish.
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People really need to stop worrying about possibly offending those of faith when speaking their mind. How many centuries/eons have they had their way with the Earth virtually uncontested? It's time for atheists to come out of the closet and bring some rationality to civilization.
 
Amadeus said:
People really need to stop worrying about possibly offending those of faith when speaking their mind. How many centuries/eons have they had their way with the Earth virtually uncontested? It's time for atheists to come out of the closet and bring some rationality to civilization.
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there is speaking your mind, and there is deliberately setting out to offend. the two are not necessarily the same thing.
 
marywollstonecraft said:
there is speaking your mind, and there is deliberately setting out to offend. the two are not necessarily the same thing.
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You're asking for an impossibility. How can an atheist identify the flaws of religion without offending those who follow it? An atheist who speaks his mind will be seen as a faith-offender no matter what he/she says, or how tactfully he/she says it.

I understand what you're saying, I just don't see the benefit of tip-toeing around the faithful, when the reverse is never a consideration.
 
Amadeus said:
You're asking for an impossibility. How can an atheist identify the flaws of religion without offending those who follow it?.
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When I say that I do not believe in gods because I see no empirical evidence of their existence, how is it offensive to religious people, exactly?
 
Cyrylek said:
When I say that I do not believe in gods because I see no empirical evidence of their existence, how is it offensive to religious people, exactly?
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It's not, but it's akin to saying that you support gay marriage and homosexuality and putting a period at the end that statement. You might as well not say anything.
 
Amadeus said:
It's not, but it's akin to saying that you support gay marriage and homosexuality and putting a period at the end that statement. You might as well not say anything.
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Why, I had said all that needs to be said. Please, provide the empirical evidence; unless and until you do, I assume that there are no gods, and atheism is the most natural position, by default.

(Just out of curiosity, how does one "support" or does not support homosexuality? Or heterosexuality? Or, say photosynthesis?)
 
Cyrylek said:
Why, I had said all that needs to be said. Please, provide the empirical evidence; unless and until you do, I assume that there are no gods, and atheism is the most natural position, by default.
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I agree with you, but it's a passive position. You have every right to be passive in your approach, just as others have the right to be passionate.

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Amadeus said:
I agree with you, but it's a passive position. You have every right to be passive in your approach, just as others have the right to be passionate.
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Sure, but I am no less an atheist that the passionate ones, am I?
 
Cyrylek said:
Sure, but I am no less an atheist that the passionate ones, am I?
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Of course not. However, since passion is part of the human experience, it's unreasonable to deny atheists their right to express themselves passionately, even if it offends the faithful.
 
Would anyone care about offending Flat-Earthers by proclaiming loudly in their presence that the world is round? No? Then don't worry about offending people who believe in gods, aliens, or the Loch Ness Monster. If a person is offended by the truth, then they are the ones who need to change, not those who proclaim the truth.
 
Medusa said:
those killing each other are not smart enough to be a real believer ,they are not different from militant atheists:2razz:
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Except that they are killing in the name of God. You forgot that.
 
Amadeus said:
You're asking for an impossibility. How can an atheist identify the flaws of religion without offending those who follow it? An atheist who speaks his mind will be seen as a faith-offender no matter what he/she says, or how tactfully he/she says it.

I understand what you're saying, I just don't see the benefit of tip-toeing around the faithful, when the reverse is never a consideration.
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To argue that there is no evidence for the existence of God, which is why you don't believe is fine, but to make comments such as "only stupid people believe in God", or "if you believe in God, its because your brains so similar to a monkey's that you are offended by the idea of evolution" is not.

These comments and others like them are just as offensive as saying I'm immoral because I am an atheist, or my life is devoid of meaning because I don't believe in God.

But I agree, there are plenty around who will be offended when there is no cause to be .... but these people are generally the type who will pick a fight with you for daring not to accept their version of reality.
 
afr0byte said:
Sure there's truth in that. But that's also not exclusive to the Bible. I'm talking about arguments that are exclusive to the Bible, like those that quote Leviticus to denounce homosexuality, or those that use the examples of marriage in the Bible as some sort of authoritative statement as to why same-sex marriage shouldn't be allowed. Besides, there are logical reasons why one should love their neighbor.
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All that prove is that they follow a belief system. They believe it's correct morality, and at least it isn't for some random reason. So you believe different, and you don't agree.
 
Paschendale said:
Would anyone care about offending Flat-Earthers by proclaiming loudly in their presence that the world is round? No? Then don't worry about offending people who believe in gods, aliens, or the Loch Ness Monster. If a person is offended by the truth, then they are the ones who need to change, not those who proclaim the truth.
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Do you know any "flat earthers"?
 
American said:
Do you know any "flat earthers"?
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He gives you plenty of real examples, and you focus on the one that is prefixed by "would"?

WOULD
Verb
1. (expressing the conditional mood) Indicating the consequence of an imagined event or situation.
 
American said:
All that prove is that they follow a belief system. They believe it's correct morality, and at least it isn't for some random reason. So you believe different, and you don't agree.
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I have no problem with them having a belief system. But, with homosexuality, for example, many quote Leviticus, but all it has is a proclamation that one should not lie with a man as with a woman. It doesn't give any reason for why that's a bad thing (and indeed it hurts no one). So, for them to tell homosexuals that the homosexuals are an abomination is wrong. They're free to think it, though, obviously.
 
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