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Atheist don't believe in GOD but believe in medicine?

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in my humble opinion, I'd say the above graphic pretty much says it all....
 
FluffyNinja said:
Whoah there champ...........You need to go share this with your pal FreedomFromAll....he is the one who made the claim that God "made" or "created" sin and evil........I was arguing the converse. :lol:
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Well - Fluffy - do "sin" and "evil" exist?

I said God was omnipotent(and infallible).....I didn't say all biblical scribes were :D
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It's his word, no? Are you telling me "god" doesn't have the power to give scribes accurate descriptions?
 
Removable Mind said:
ReligiousCircularLogic.jpg


in my humble opinion, I'd say the above graphic pretty much says it all....
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Wow....what a revelation! The all-encompassing "Wheel of Power!" I finally see the light! :lol:



Are you under the false assumption that this very same graphic hasn't been posted on this discussion board at least 50 or 60 times?

Guess what...........yep, that's right..........I'm still a believer............the ol' "faith tank" is still registering near full.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
Well - Fluffy - do "sin" and "evil" exist?
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You (and FreedomFromAll) made the claim, you tell me. How convenient for you to turn his fallacious claim into a question for me. You assume I'll step right into your "logic" trap? Sorry, not biting tonight.:lol:





It's his word, no? Are you telling me "god" doesn't have the power to give scribes accurate descriptions?
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No, I'm telling you that scribes are fallible....like all other humans, and certainly at times, make mistakes or act contradictory to God's will. Doesn't change my contention that God has the power to pass down his true message regardless of human error.
 
FluffyNinja said:
You (and FreedomFromAll) made the claim, you tell me. How convenient for you to turn his fallacious claim into a question for me. You assume I'll step right into your "logic" trap? Sorry, not biting tonight.:lol:
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You aren't answering questions about your beliefs? Hmm...

No, I'm telling you that scribes are fallible....like all other humans, and certainly at times, make mistakes or act contradictory to God's will. Doesn't change my contention that God has the power to pass down his true message regardless of human error.
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How does this true message reach us?
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
You aren't answering questions about your beliefs? Hmm...
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I already did. I said
(1) that God did not create "sin' or "evil"
.....then FreedomFromAll said:
(2) God created everything, therefore God also created "evil and "sin"
.......then I replied:
(3) Well, if God created "evil" and "sin" then they must actually exist (since that's what a creation generally does) :lol:
.....then FreedomFromAll said:
(4) ....nothing.....*crickets*.............*more crickets*............
(5) .......then that's when you intervened and began to challenge me to defend the same logical paradox with which I just presented FreedomFromAll......you know......the one he created for himself.

So, is that how debates work in your world....I challenge person "A"......then person "B" (you) challenges me with my own challenge?

You guys just kill me sometimes. :lol:



How does this true message reach us?
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Through his Holy Word and through intervention by the Holy Spirit. Just because a few scribes may have lost a few things in translation over the years does not mean that the very heart of God's plan and the very heart of Christ's Gospel is still not contained therein. :shrug:
 
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FluffyNinja said:
Your claim is that God "created evil and sin"? If something is "made" or "created" then it exists....right? Prove to me, using demonstrable, empirical, and peer-reviewed evidence that "evil" and "sin" do, indeed exist. If you cannot, then your contention is nothing more than logical fallacy. :lol:
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I am a Atheist I do not believe in evil or sin, but your book of faith does. What you call falling from the grace of god (evil and sin) I call what they actually are in reality; actions, lies, emotions and personal responsibility.

Speaking of logical fallacies, your little argument here actually works only against your own argument. I did not claim that sin and evil exist, that is on you. You were the one that brought evil and sin into the mix, since you are the one claiming that the bible is anything more than the creation of the human imagination.


BTW read again I said according to the bible. And I am also saying that there is no god so there is no being that is omnipotent.

And in regards to the "mistake-ridden" bible..........if God is omnipotent.....which you've also asserted(and I am in agreement) then I do not feel that passing his true, unobstructed message down through a few millenia would be all that difficult for him.....even if a few scribes tended to "mess things up" here and there........I have faith in his ability to do so. :shrug:
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Ok so we at least made a little headway here, you admit that the bible makes mistakes. Which means that the bible which is portrayed as the word of god is fallible. What text do you disregard and what text do you have faith in as being the word of god?
 
FluffyNinja said:
I already did. I said
(1) that God did not create "sin' or "evil"
.....then FreedomFromAll said:
(2) God created everything, therefore God also created "evil and "sin"
.......then I replied:
(3) Well, if God created "evil" and "sin" then they must actually exist (since that's what a creation generally does) :lol:
.....then FreedomFromAll said:
(4) ....nothing.....*crickets*.............*more crickets*............
(5) .......then that's when you intervened and began to challenge me to defend the same logical paradox with which I just presented FreedomFromAll......you know......the one he created for himself.

So, is that how debates work in your world....I challenge person "A"......then person "B" (you) challenges me with my own challenge?

You guys just kill me sometimes. :lol:




Through his Holy Word and through intervention by the Holy Spirit. Just because a few scribes may have lost a few things in translation over the years does not mean that the very heart of God's plan and the very heart of Christ's Gospel is still not contained therein. :shrug:
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Lol I did not assert that evil and sin exists, you are just misrepresenting what I actually said. Its funny though since your strawman argument actually helps me out in this debate.

I am really shacking my head here though, I clearly was not asserting that evil, sin or gods exist, yet you somehow latched on to the belief that I made some type of mistake. ANd then you started making some of my argument against yourself. Perhaps it made more sense in your head to call the existence of evil and sin a logical fallacy?

And this is a debate I do not claim to be wanting to change your faith. I have no doubt that your faith will remain intake. Im not trying to convert you, is that what you are trying to do here, convert us? Because again I will not buy into your faith, because it is your personal belief system. As an individual I do not give faith to other peoples faiths especially when it comes to such an important topic.


Lol now you admit that your god has a plan? Funny.
 
Did Adam have a belly button?
 
FluffyNinja said:
I already did. I said
(1) that God did not create "sin' or "evil"
.....then FreedomFromAll said:
(2) God created everything, therefore God also created "evil and "sin"
.......then I replied:
(3) Well, if God created "evil" and "sin" then they must actually exist (since that's what a creation generally does) :lol:
.....then FreedomFromAll said:
(4) ....nothing.....*crickets*.............*more crickets*............
(5) .......then that's when you intervened and began to challenge me to defend the same logical paradox with which I just presented FreedomFromAll......you know......the one he created for himself.
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Well if "god" did not create them yet they exist (hence part of why you believe) then where did they come from? Has it crossed your mind that they are both just false constructs to provide some sham of societal order?

So, is that how debates work in your world....I challenge person "A"......then person "B" (you) challenges me with my own challenge?

You guys just kill me sometimes. :lol:
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Nah. Debate in my world usually contains some sort of logic and semblance of "here is my claim and here is the empirical evidence to support it" - which you have yet to do.


Through his Holy Word and through intervention by the Holy Spirit. Just because a few scribes may have lost a few things in translation over the years does not mean that the very heart of God's plan and the very heart of Christ's Gospel is still not contained therein. :shrug:
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Well can't "god" just re-pass along his word instead of letting it be so construed to the point of malevolence? The very heart of "god's plan" meaning ... ?
 
FluffyNinja said:
Wow....what a revelation! The all-encompassing "Wheel of Power!" I finally see the light! :lol:



Are you under the false assumption that this very same graphic hasn't been posted on this discussion board at least 50 or 60 times?

Guess what...........yep, that's right..........I'm still a believer............the ol' "faith tank" is still registering near full.
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I have no desire to alter your faith...but I do want to voice that I don't want your faith...or anybody elses faith... to interfere with government or science.

If you believe in a creator of the universe...and that it's fate is in it's hands...and it is all knowing, all seeing, all powerful...the let your creator do its job...and surrender yourself to its care and know that everything that is going on in the world is either controlled or predestined or the will of your creator.

Meanwhile...if it hadnt been for science...you'd have no computer to have the opportunity to debate your faith.
 
FluffyNinja said:
I already did. I said
(1) that God did not create "sin' or "evil"
.....then FreedomFromAll said:
(2) God created everything, therefore God also created "evil and "sin"
.......then I replied:
(3) Well, if God created "evil" and "sin" then they must actually exist (since that's what a creation generally does) :lol:
.....then FreedomFromAll said:
(4) ....nothing.....*crickets*.............*more crickets*............
(5) .......then that's when you intervened and began to challenge me to defend the same logical paradox with which I just presented FreedomFromAll......you know......the one he created for himself.

So, is that how debates work in your world....I challenge person "A"......then person "B" (you) challenges me with my own challenge?

You guys just kill me sometimes. :lol:
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Yet if God created everything, he also created the concepts of everything. That means that God must have created the concepts of "sin" and "evil" or they wouldn't exist.
 
4Horsemen said:
If man made medicines work, wouldn't there be a cure for Cancer right now instead of pumping poison Chemo into your veins?

Don't go down that road with me, I'll drown you in the mud.
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If god existed and wasn't a prick, why would cancer exist in the first place?

Check mate, theists.
 
Cephus said:
Yet if God created everything, he also created the concepts of everything. That means that God must have created the concepts of "sin" and "evil" or they wouldn't exist.
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No, not really. Not if God chose to create humans with the free will to "create" their own "concepts".

But he (FreedomFromAll) made the claim that "God created evil and sin" ........therefore, the burden of proof is still on him to show that "evil and sin" do indeed exist.........which he's obviously failed to do. If you're going to give my God credit with creating something, you should at least be able to show some demonstrable, empirical, and peer-reviewed evidence to suppport that claim.....right? At least that's what you guys keep telling me. :lol:

It's almost entertaining to watch some of you guys talk yourselves into a corner and then have your own "method of operation" used against you. Then, of course, everyone else here who "bows at the altar" of rabid atheism races to their defense and tries to rationalize the poster's paradoxical claims. :D
 
FluffyNinja said:
Yes.....indeed you do my friend. :lol:

Do I pass the test?......that is the question?:D
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Do you past my test? Nope. Do you past your test? I'd hope so. Who's to say who is right? :cheers:
 
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