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Are You A Connoisseur Of Humanity?

No. Sustained, protracted and enforced solitude is a recipe for insanity. Ask CC, if you don't believe me. NORMAL humans need interaction with other humans....this is one reason so many humanitarian groups are suing over the growing use of Supermax prisons.

Who said anything about enforced solitude? As for insanity and normality, I am not among the posters here who are chronically depressive. In fact, I'd venture a guess that I am one of the happier and more satisfied posters on the forum.
 
Who said anything about enforced solitude? As for insanity and normality, I am not among the posters here who are chronically depressive. In fact, I'd venture a guess that I am one of the happier and more satisfied posters on the forum.

Pleased to hear it.

Just an observation, if I may. You seem to extrapolate from your recipe for your happiness to me and every other human on Planet Earth, lizzie. This is a faulty bit of reasoning.

I need something a bit different than you to be at my happiest. This is not a judgment on either of us, as it seems, we both (mostly) have everything we want.

Perchance open up your mind a bit more, Miss Lizzie. There is no "right" way to be happy, nor is there any "best" or "only" way.

BTW, I did not post the video because I think you suffer from bigotry. I think no such thing.

Just needed me a lil En Vogue fix, yanno?


 


Just an observation, if I may. You seem to extrapolate from your recipe for your happiness to me and every other human on Planet Earth, lizzie. This is a faulty bit of reasoning.
When it comes to the human psyche, reasoning is not typically what one uses in order to find happiness. It’s more along the lines of a religious or creative path.


I need something a bit different than you to be at my happiest. This is not a judgment on either of us, as it seems, we both (mostly) have everything we want.
Whatever makes you happy is fine with me.

Perchance open up your mind a bit more, Miss Lizzie. There is no "right" way to be happy, nor is there any "best" or "only" way.
Have I implied otherwise, or have I posted my own experiences? We all speak from our own perspectives and based on our own experiences. I expect nothing more, nor do I believe that what works for me will work for you. As for my mind being opened, it has been opened, turned inside out, examined with a fine tooth comb, rearranged, and rebooted.
 
Lizzie wrote in part:

Have I implied otherwise[?]

Yes.

At least that has been how I have read some of your posts, and not just on this thread. But this is a limited medium; I cannot hear your tone of voice or see your body language.

I am more'm willing to suspend belief, as I know I could be mistaken. You say I am, so I'll try and pay closer attention in future.

Deal?
 
Whenever I encounter the word 'connoisseur', it always puts me in mind of a chef. :?

Hmm.

That means I'm gay, right?
 
Whenever I encounter the word 'connoisseur', it always puts me in mind of a chef. :?

Hmm.

That means I'm gay, right?

My gaydar does not work on the 'net all that well.

Been having sex only with other men, NoC_T? If so, you're probably gay (or in prison). If not, probably not.

This is the best I can do. There might be questionaire you could take, or mebbe an official club membership you can buy?

I'll admit, I'm at a loss.

 
My gaydar does not work on the 'net all that well.

Been having sex only with other men, NoC_T? If so, you're probably gay (or in prison). If not, probably not.

This is the best I can do. There might be questionaire you could take, or mebbe an official club membership you can buy?

I'll admit, I'm at a loss.

And now I can't answer that without sounding defensive. :lol:
 
Some people are prone to loneliness all their lives. Most of my life, I have been lonely. I lost my parents when I was just 5 years old, and was raised in a Catholic orphanage and in foster homes. I had friends my own age, but I had no adult who I knew loved me during almost my entire childhood.

For most of my life, I have envied those I thought were well-loved like some women envy really beautiful women. I still miss my parents so badly that to this day, I'd give almost anything just to see them again, no matter how briefly.

So I feel somewhat qualified to speak about loneliness.

I think this painful emotion/craving is, in part, the result of a cluster of personality traits that are somewhat fixed at birth. Some people need more interaction, more affection, more authentic intimacy.....and suffer badly when they don't get it.

I don't think you need to be a blighted human to experience loneliness often and quite painfully....and the fact that you may do so is not the best measure of how well-loved you are. Almost everyone alive has felt lonely at some times in the past, and will feel it again at points in the future.

Anyone who suffers badly from loneliness is not necessarily enduring a less successful social life than the rest of us.

If you are, as Bobby Darin said, "always the lonely", you are simply one more human blessed with a well of need for connectivity to other humans deeper than most. Such people are connoisseurs of authentic human intimacy.

Loneliness is not failure. It is not solitude, which is actually a very pleasant state and one even lonely people need from time to time to stay sane. It is not the finger of God, touching you to say you lost in some cosmic love lottery.....you may be very deeply loved by many people and still experience heart-breaking loneliness.

Loneliness is not sexual appetite. Almost all healthy adults want and need sex, and some people have trouble accepting that what they desire is physical. I'm not advocating promiscuity, but there is unfortunate tendency in some adults, especially women, to read every twinge as a signal that they suffer from a lack of pair bond intimacy. Sometimes, no matter how "nice" a person is, that twinge is just good old fashioned healthy horniness.

There's no doubt, loneliness can be excrutiating. When it overwhelms to the point that you feel disconnected from all of humanity, I think it can even be life threatening and people in this much distress should prolly seek help. But normal, day to day loneliness, whilst not quite that bad, can still be a hellish way to live, so here are some insights I have, which someone might find useful.

* Are you lonely because you are in a relationship that does not meet your emotional needs? If so, and your partner cannot and never will offer the level of intimacy you want, you have only two choices: accept that which they do offer or get out so as to be free to find a new lover.

I'm not a big fan of adultery and I have never seen it bring any authentic intimacy to anyone's life, but hey, I'm not the last word here.

* Some of us want the intimacy of a small group or family as much or more than that of a pair bond, and after college, these gaggles of people in cohesive groups are rare. If this describes you, you'll have to create your own. Find something you are passionate about and go looking for others who share that passion, then try to build up a routine of seeing one another once a month, etc. This delicate social dance is not a whole lot easier than dating, but just like dating, it will not happen for most of us by accident.

Every city in the US is listed under its state on city-data.net, and for every zip code, you can arrange to meet like-minded people on a website called meetup.com.

* You can be lonely for a place. Weather, customs, sounds, smells....if you are unhappy where you are living and have been for some time, it may be you need a "gestalt" your current environment does not offer.

* You can make an intimate connection with another person that is nonetheless transitory. Adopt an elderly person and visit with them, tap into their humanity and feel that while you are together. Visit a recovering injured soldier. If you feel you can set good boundaries, consider mentoring a child....almost any city has a Big Brother/Big Sister program, and a juvenile court that likely can use some volunteers.

Loneliness is part and parcel of being alive, healthy and human. No one but a sociopath can escape it altogether. None of us who are not sociopaths can ever achieve a life so rich and full that we will never feel the pangs of loneliness again.

If you can learn to view your loneliness as source of power, motivation and appetite, and to appreciate and applaud the high value you place on human intimacy, you can find a way to use this angst to enhance your life.

Lonely people have only one thing in common: they place a very high value on authentic relationships with other humans. Your loneliness marks you as a connoisseur of humans and human relationships.....and our society badly needs people with such values.

If you can view your loneliness as an achievement, you can allow it to help you guide you to acquire a life more to your liking. You among us who are frequently lonely are our connoisseurs of our humanity. You are special. You are the brightest lights among us.

Because you value humanity so highly, you who are often lonely are (or could be) among those of leading the way to a more just and compassionate society for us all.

IMO, you who are often lonely could be our best hope of a more decent society in future.

We need you, and we prize you -- at least, I know I do.

Quite highly.

:peace

Pinkie

Absolutely great words of wisdom Pinkie.

Your post is a goldmine for me. Many-many thanks for posting it.

You are a master analyst of human life.

You have no idea how much I appreciate this, your post is one of the essential informations that I have to collect to keep together my progress too.

Thanks again. :)
 
Absolutely great words of wisdom Pinkie.

Your post is a goldmine for me. Many-many thanks for posing it.

You are a master analyst of human life.

You have no idea how much I appreciate this, your post is one of the essential informations that I have to collect to keep together my progress too.

Thanks again. :)

You charm me all day long, ab9926. Lemme know if I can ever do anything for ya.

*Hugs*
 
If you can view your loneliness as an achievement, you can allow it to help you guide you to acquire a life more to your liking. You among us who are frequently lonely are our connoisseurs of our humanity. You are special. You are the brightest lights among us.
The title lead me to believe that this thread was about cannibalism...

I'm not lonely, I just prefer solitude. Loneliness implies that I'm saddened by my state, but I'm quite happy with how things are. I know people who can't stand to be alone. If they're alone for 5 minutes, they pick up the phone and call as many people as they can, hoping someone isn't doing anything and can stop by. They need it so badly that they even bribe others to come over with pot and booze, big screen tv, and other crap. I think it's kind of sad, actually, but that's just an extreme example. I think most people are just more interactive with others than I am because they need more than I do. They know what to say to people to get what they want out of them, or maybe there's more to it, I don't know. I don't really understand people, to be honest, and never really cared to.

I don't think I'm special, I just have a different system of operation.
 
I need a great deal of solitude to be at my happiest too, Surtr -- and lucky me, I have it.
 
I need a great deal of solitude to be at my happiest too, Surtr -- and lucky me, I have it.

I need my time alone. I need my solitude, alone with my thoughts. I'm an introvert who tires when he has to interact with too many people in person, and does not suffer fools gladly. When I am at work I do anything in my power to avoid having to interact with too many people, and luckily I am in the position of making that so, since my employees all know that they are the ones who do that by and large. Still, I find I have many people I look forward to seeing, those with whom I connect and enjoy the way we just sort of resonate with each other. The vast majority I push away, only a few I want to draw in, and I find I am about as intense with one tendency as I am the other.

As far as being lonely, I do find myself wishing to find my soul mate -- that one person who is everything to me and I am everything to her, and even as I was married for 30 years, do not think I was married to my soul mate. Right now, I am wondering if I am at that time in my life when I need to let go of this one yearning and start making my accommodations with life in such a way that my search for those things I will not have only leaves me with a void. In that, I draw upon my natural tendency to crave my alone time, and remind myself that while I may not ever have that one person who is IT, that doesn't prevent me from sharing myself with lots of different people in different ways that leave me fulfilled instead of lonely.
 
I need my time alone. I need my solitude, alone with my thoughts. I'm an introvert who tires when he has to interact with too many people in person, and does not suffer fools gladly. When I am at work I do anything in my power to avoid having to interact with too many people, and luckily I am in the position of making that so, since my employees all know that they are the ones who do that by and large. Still, I find I have many people I look forward to seeing, those with whom I connect and enjoy the way we just sort of resonate with each other. The vast majority I push away, only a few I want to draw in, and I find I am about as intense with one tendency as I am the other.

As far as being lonely, I do find myself wishing to find my soul mate -- that one person who is everything to me and I am everything to her, and even as I was married for 30 years, do not think I was married to my soul mate. Right now, I am wondering if I am at that time in my life when I need to let go of this one yearning and start making my accommodations with life in such a way that my search for those things I will not have only leaves me with a void. In that, I draw upon my natural tendency to crave my alone time, and remind myself that while I may not ever have that one person who is IT, that doesn't prevent me from sharing myself with lots of different people in different ways that leave me fulfilled instead of lonely.

My POV is, we would all be happier if we did not refuse to accept that happiness that is actually available to us, but not what we (were raised to) expected. You may well find your soul mate -- but even if you do, why wouldn't you want your circle of love to include deep and abiding friendships?
 
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