Thread: A warning for our nation, from 1965.

Actually, not killing people was a pretty radical ideology at the time of the ten commandments, which is why so few people actually followed it.

That is hardly true. Egyptian laws and Hamurabi's code had already codified considerably more advanced legal concepts.

Often religion spurred major moralistic changes. The principle of freedom in America was spurned by the notion of all men being created equal under god, a sentiment that carried to the inevitable abolitionist movement and was Martin Luther King Jr's well vocalized motivation for his fight as well.

That only proves my point. When the bible was written, slavery was the norm and it gives advice on dealing with your slaves. The radical change in thought happened more than 1000 years later. It is clear cut case of religious justification for what was a shift in social attitudes.

Originally Posted by rathi

That is hardly true. Egyptian laws and Hamurabi's code had already codified considerably more advanced legal concepts.

You couldn't kill another Egyptian citizen. As far as my knowledge goes, there was no belief that you shouldn't kill another human being, only not another Egyptian citizen. And, of course, none of this applied to the Pharaoh.

It is clear cut case of religious justification for what was a shift in social attitudes.

Well, if by social attitudes you mean Thomas Jefferson especially and a few other select founding fathers who met extreme opposition to the point where any mention against slavery was removed from the declaration of independence, then yes, it was a shift in social attitudes.

Originally Posted by megaprogman

They ruined christmas!!!!

Shhhh. The war on Christmas is a *secret* affair!

Originally Posted by Hare

So, from what I can gather, Paul Harvey was the Devil. Not sure why this in political discussion though..

Harvey was a close friend of Joe McCarthy and Bill Graham.

The OP doesn't include links that Paul Harvey even said that or in what context.

So we have no idea if it's even true.

You couldn't kill another Egyptian citizen. As far as my knowledge goes, there was no belief that you shouldn't kill another human being, only not another Egyptian citizen. And, of course, none of this applied to the Pharaoh.

Thou shalt not kill is somewhat inaccurate translation. The original Hebrew term is much more nuanced in meaning, perhaps best translated as "thou shalt not murder". Considering that bible instructs the faithful to kill in a variety of circumstances, the point was to speak against killing people for the wrong reasons and not simply taking life. One could hardly call it revolutionary compared to other codes that prohibited.

Well, if by social attitudes you mean Thomas Jefferson especially and a few other select founding fathers who met extreme opposition to the point where any mention against slavery was removed from the declaration of independence, then yes, it was a shift in social attitudes.

The shift was gradual, at it took decades before the concept of abolition became politically viable and even then only in certain geographic regions.

Originally Posted by Jredbaron96

That, and I've never seen any evidence that a high number of atheists has an actual negative impact on a society or country.

It is a small number that has done all this damage.

Originally Posted by hazlnut

Harvey was a close friend of Joe McCarthy and Bill Graham.

The OP doesn't include links that Paul Harvey even said that or in what context.

So we have no idea if it's even true.

I posted the video on page 1.

Originally Posted by Jredbaron96

Shhhh. The war on Christmas is a *secret* affair!

Not any more. It is well known.

Originally Posted by Amigo

It is a small number that has done all this damage.

so, it's the Atheists fault we're where we are now?

Excuse me if I find that a little far-fetched.

Originally Posted by Jredbaron96

so, it's the Atheists fault we're where we are now?

Excuse me if I find that a little far-fetched.

Yes, the secular culture.