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    Re: Is Santa claus real?

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Who are you to determine that? Maybe for your own kids, sure... but not for the rest of society. Most adults have outgrown Santa anyway, so your complaint is moot. But in any case, I don't necessarily see anything wrong with an adult that likes to preserve some of the play of childhood. After all, you're only as old as you feel.
    He said "as long as they outgrow them reasonably early." He didn't say they specifically had to outgrow them at the age of 7.

    "You are only as old as you feel" ... yeah, sounds like a defense for child molesting.
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    Re: Is Santa claus real?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    Yeah, he can fit presents for all of North America in that sleigh...
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    Re: Is Santa claus real?

    he is so cute ,admit this

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    Re: Is Santa claus real?

    Last night I was reminiscing about the year when I confronted my mother about the whole Santa thing, and after reading the Virginia letter I decided it would be funny to google "No, Virginia, There is No Santa Claus." I found the following blog entry, which went far above and beyond my expectations.

    No, Virginia, there is no Santa Claus

    From the above link's article, a parody of the Sun's famous response:

    You might get your papa to hire men to watch in all the chimneys on Christmas Eve to catch Santa Claus, and if they did not see Santa Claus coming down, what would that prove? A fair amount, actually. The Santa hypothesis claims that Santa comes down chimneys on Christmas Eve and gives presents to children: if every chimney is carefully watched on Christmas Eve, and nobody sees anybody coming down any of them, that’s very strong evidence that the Santa hypothesis is incorrect.

    I'm sure a fair amount of people would feel that the whole thing is a bit preachy, but I was personally hurt very badly by the realization that everybody had been lying to me for years. I'm the type of person who is very embarrassed by the knowledge that I foolishly believed something to be which was not. I don't mind parents telling their kids that Santa is real and I don't think much harm comes from it, and in fact, I might humor my (future) children when they are very young. But if one of my (future) kids asks about Santa and presents any logical thought questioning the myth (IE: why do we need toys for tots when Santa could give the poor kids presents; how is it possible that Santa can deliver millions of presents in a single night) I will promptly congratulate them for independent thought and come clean.

    For parents who stay mum even with that line of questioning, I think at that point you're really discouraging your children from thinking logically and skeptically, which are major skills they will require to thrive in the world.

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    Re: Is Santa claus real?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Last night I was reminiscing about the year when I confronted my mother about the whole Santa thing, and after reading the Virginia letter I decided it would be funny to google "No, Virginia, There is No Santa Claus." I found the following blog entry, which went far above and beyond my expectations.

    No, Virginia, there is no Santa Claus

    From the above link's article, a parody of the Sun's famous response:

    You might get your papa to hire men to watch in all the chimneys on Christmas Eve to catch Santa Claus, and if they did not see Santa Claus coming down, what would that prove? A fair amount, actually. The Santa hypothesis claims that Santa comes down chimneys on Christmas Eve and gives presents to children: if every chimney is carefully watched on Christmas Eve, and nobody sees anybody coming down any of them, thatís very strong evidence that the Santa hypothesis is incorrect.

    I'm sure a fair amount of people would feel that the whole thing is a bit preachy, but I was personally hurt very badly by the realization that everybody had been lying to me for years. I'm the type of person who is very embarrassed by the knowledge that I foolishly believed something to be which was not. I don't mind parents telling their kids that Santa is real and I don't think much harm comes from it, and in fact, I might humor my (future) children when they are very young. But if one of my (future) kids asks about Santa and presents any logical thought questioning the myth (IE: why do we need toys for tots when Santa could give the poor kids presents; how is it possible that Santa can deliver millions of presents in a single night) I will promptly congratulate them for independent thought and come clean.

    For parents who stay mum even with that line of questioning, I think at that point you're really discouraging your children from thinking logically and skeptically, which are major skills they will require to thrive in the world.
    Oh, they'll do alright even if they believe in Santa when they're little.

    Besides, I went off to a late-evening Christmas church service, and when I came home at 2, I found that Santa had already stopped by my house!

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    Re: Is Santa claus real?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    You don't say. However no one said which way we are using the term real, and all ideas and mental images are in some sense real. The relationship between these images and ideas and corporeal existence is complex and hotly disputed.
    Fine, I will specifically defining how I am using the word. As far as I'm concerned, real refers only to those things that actually exist in reality. It you want to refer to something else, please use a different word to avoid confusion.
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    Re: Is Santa claus real?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Fine, I will specifically defining how I am using the word. As far as I'm concerned, real refers only to those things that actually exist in reality. It you want to refer to something else, please use a different word to avoid confusion.
    But thought and ideas exist in reality. They are not nothing.

    Though there is no agreement, historically speaking thinkers have more often tended more to use the word existence or manifestation or similar terms, than real, to refer to that which exists on our plane of existence.
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    Re: Is Santa claus real?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    But thought and ideas exist in reality. They are not nothing.

    Though there is no agreement, historically speaking thinkers have more often tended more to use the word existence or manifestation or similar terms, than real, to refer to that which exists on our plane of existence.
    Thoughts, like songs and movies, may be real, that doesn't mean the concepts within are necessarily real. Try again-
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    Re: Is Santa claus real?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Thoughts, like songs and movies, may be real, that doesn't mean the concepts within are necessarily real. Try again-
    The concepts are real as concepts, unless you are suggesting all thoughts are the same or not intentional of a concept, by which stroke you destroy thought, and also you'd be advocating a basically incoherent position. Try again.
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    Re: Is Santa claus real?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    The concepts are real as concepts, unless you are suggesting all thoughts are the same or not intentional of a concept, by which stroke you destroy thought, and also you'd be advocating a basically incoherent position. Try again.
    Nice way to continue to purposely miss the point because getting the point entirely destroys your position.
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