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    Pitbulls

    We're having an issue in our neighborhood regarding a Pitbull. I'm against this breed, having been bitten by a Pitbull in an unprovoked attack. I believe they are a violence prone breed. I have two dogs myself, a Bab and a order Collie/Australian Shepherd.

    # The breeds most often involved in fatal attacks are Rottweilers and Pit bulls.

    # In the United States, pit bulls make up one to three per cent of the overall dog population and cause more than 50 per cent of serious attacks.
    # From 1979 to 1998, at least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in bite related deaths. Pit Bulls and Rottweilers were involved in more than 50 percent of these incidences.

    # In a study reported by a retired professor from California State University at Chino, Robert Plum, it was found that one dog in 55 will bite someone seriously during the course of a year. With respect to breed differences in the tendency to inflict serious injury, Plumb estimates that when a pit bull bites a human, one in 16 (e.g. 1/16) will inflict serious injury; this contrasts with a ratio of 1/296 Dobermans, and 1/156 German shepherds.
    Dog Bite Statistics from dogexpert.com

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    Re: Pitbulls

    I am a dog expert, and I earned that title the hard way. As a power company employee I've literally dealt with thousands of dogs in someone else's yard, and furthermore have recieved professional training in dealing with dogs.

    Pit bulls are not, to my experience, inherently vicious unless someone made them that way. That is not to say they are "safe", as NO DOG IS SAFE. Any dog, I don't give a rat's ### what breed, may bite under the right circumstances. The only dog that is 100% sure to never bite is one that has no teeth.

    The problem with Pitts is twofold:
    1. Many people DO deliberately make them vicious, with the intent of using them as guard dogs. Drug dealers are particularly prone to this, and many dealer houses will be literally surrounded with Pitts on chains so that you cannot approach without encountering at least one.
    2. IF A PITT does "go bad" or attack someone they shouldn't have, the Pit-bull's incredible musculature and powerful jaws make him a deadly threat.

    I have "known" probably a hundred or more Pitbulls. Many of them were sweet and friendly dogs. Some were vicious. I have been attacked by a Pitt, once. The attack was very serious, the dog tried to kill me with great persistence. I was forced to kill the dog to prevent him from killing me.

    Despite this I don't automatically fear Pitbulls, instead I observe their behavior before getting out of the truck and determine whether they are a threat... most Pits are NOT if not provoked, unless they've been raised to be vicious as I said. If I judge them a threat, I don't fool with them. If a pitbull was in my yard and showed any sign of aggression I would shoot him immediately. A "Bad" pit is no joke.

    Some people want to ban the breed. I wouldn't go that far, but possibly classifying them as a "dangerous breed" and holding owners in higher liability if they get loose and harm someone might be reasonable.
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    Thanks for your imput. I'm on good terms with these neighbors but I've discussed my feeling about this young dog that belongs to the daughter who is 'temporarily' staying with them. They are of the lower strata of the white community in terms of education, and intelligence, if you know what I mean.

    The Pitbull has attacked another (weekender) neighbor's dog and is utterly untrained and unresponsive to the owner's command. Another neighbor informed me yesterday that the dog threatened her the other day while she was walking back from her job. She hoped I would speak to the neighbor, which I did. the neighbor informed me that they are now keeping the dog chained up. Meanwhile, the dog is remaining unneutered and is about 10 months old, and in my opinion is a timebomb.

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    Re: Pitbulls

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Thanks for your imput. I'm on good terms with these neighbors but I've discussed my feeling about this young dog that belongs to the daughter who is 'temporarily' staying with them. They are of the lower strata of the white community in terms of education, and intelligence, if you know what I mean.

    The Pitbull has attacked another (weekender) neighbor's dog and is utterly untrained and unresponsive to the owner's command. Another neighbor informed me yesterday that the dog threatened her the other day while she was walking back from her job. She hoped I would speak to the neighbor, which I did. the neighbor informed me that they are now keeping the dog chained up. Meanwhile, the dog is remaining unneutered and is about 10 months old, and in my opinion is a timebomb.

    The Pitbull that tried to kill me was on a chain also. It broke, suddenly, and suddenly is a good word for the life-and-death situation I found myself in.

    Dogs have instinctive drives. Some dogs have stronger drives than others. They may be fear-driven, territorial, or predatory. A dog with strong predatory drives is an extremely dangerous animal, especially if he is a large dog.

    A Pit that is wandering the neighborhood and acting aggressive towards people in public spaces (ie not the dog's own yard) is no joke.

    Like I said, if he showed up in my yard and acted the least bit aggressive, I'd shoot him immediately and the owner will just have to suck it up. I like dogs, for that matter I like Pitbulls overall, but I don't take chances with something whose potential threat level is that high.

    If he ever is seen wandering the neighborhood again and acts anything but deferential to any humans he encounters, a call to Animal Control would not be amiss.
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    Re: Pitbulls

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The Pitbull that tried to kill me was on a chain also. It broke, suddenly, and suddenly is a good word for the life-and-death situation I found myself in.

    Dogs have instinctive drives. Some dogs have stronger drives than others. They may be fear-driven, territorial, or predatory. A dog with strong predatory drives is an extremely dangerous animal, especially if he is a large dog.

    A Pit that is wandering the neighborhood and acting aggressive towards people in public spaces (ie not the dog's own yard) is no joke.

    Like I said, if he showed up in my yard and acted the least bit aggressive, I'd shoot him immediately and the owner will just have to suck it up. I like dogs, for that matter I like Pitbulls overall, but I don't take chances with something whose potential threat level is that high.

    If he ever is seen wandering the neighborhood again and acts anything but deferential to any humans he encounters, a call to Animal Control would not be amiss.

    Good grief!

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    Re: Pitbulls

    Let me say that this Pitbull non-responsive to human direction. I have extensive experience with dogs because I'm a walker and runner. They are universally easy to ward off with body language and verbal signals in my experience. This dog is impervious. It essentially ignores humans, including the owner, who has no influence over the dog.
    I pray that it will stay on it's chain, but I'm fearful, which is a rarity in me.

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    Re: Pitbulls

    when it comes to dogs, any failure in behavior of the dog, is due to lack of proper raising by the owner.

    I have been with 2 pits. Lovely wonderful dogs

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    Re: Pitbulls

    What is a Bab?

    It is the human's fault when a dog attacks. Big dogs need responsible owners. I am against breed bans but I would be okay with mandatory dog training for large breeds.

    The statistics are skewed. Chihuahuas and other little dogs bite people a lot. Nobody reports it because its not life threatening.

    That dog should be neutered, especially if he is running free. Call animal control if you see him running free.
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    Re: Pitbulls

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    when it comes to dogs, any failure in behavior of the dog, is due to lack of proper raising by the owner.

    I have been with 2 pits. Lovely wonderful dogs
    In general, I agree with you. The majority of pits I've known were fine dogs and very friendly, unless someone was using them as a guard dog (and presumably made them aggressive on purpose).

    I don't usually concern myself overmuch with a dog's breed, since dogs are individuals and every dog is unique. However...

    Sometimes it seems like mixed-breed pits can be a problem though. I've known pit breeders who tell me it is a mistake to mix pits with any other breed.

    I rescued a puppy once who turned out to be some kind of pit mix. He grew up as my son's best buddy. He was playful and happy, he loved me and loved my son and never showed the slightest sign of aggression...for the first year.

    During the dog's first year of life we were pretty isolated out on the old farm, and almost never had visitors. The dog, Mack, almost never saw anyone but me and my son. Long story, on to the point:

    One day we went for a walk on my property and came across my brother-in-law, who was fishing... and the dog suddenly went berserk. He attacked my BIL, who grabbed him defensively while I got him and pulled him off. I'd never seen him act that way.

    After that we never let him go on walks without a leash, and it is a good thing. It turned out that Mack wanted to attack EVERY HUMAN BEING HE SAW except me and my son.

    I installed a heavy-duty dog-run and took extra precautions to make sure Mack didn't get loose unsupervised. Still, that dog worried me. We'd never seen any previous sign of hostility, and he continued to treat me and my son as if we were his beloved family. He just hated the rest of the world.

    I never did anything to make him mean or defensive, at least not on purpose, and I knew a thing or two about dogs even then. I speculate that the relative lack of human contact other than me and the boy in his first year had something to do with it, but the extreme aggression is all but inexplicable, unless it was somehow inborn.


    Mack is dead now, rest his doggie soul, and we have a mild-mannered Lab and a little Pekinese, and I will never have another mix-breed Pit.
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    Re: Pitbulls

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    What is a Bab?

    It is the human's fault when a dog attacks. Big dogs need responsible owners. I am against breed bans but I would be okay with mandatory dog training for large breeds.

    The statistics are skewed. Chihuahuas and other little dogs bite people a lot. Nobody reports it because its not life threatening.

    That dog should be neutered, especially if he is running free. Call animal control if you see him running free.
    Exactly right. The little ones are the ones that get you most of the time. Sometime I'll tell the story about Why I'll never laugh at minature Dachshunds again.
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