Would you ask for someone to leave a store if their kid is having a tantrum?

There are a few upscale restaurants now that advertise that they're not child-friendly, and I like that. I like churches having "cry rooms" too and wish only that some parents were more swift to take action.

Lately, I've been repeating an old family story about me at 3 n the hope that my sister with the 3-year old will take the hint. I was apparently being "adorable" and going around to all the tables at the restaurant and stealing black olives from the salad. I was escorted outside by my father and treated to my first spanking. I don't remember any of this, but the lesson took, and ai was praised forever after for my beautiful manners.

As were my kids--many times older folks would come up to our table in a restaurant just to compliment my kids on their lovely behavior, and I wasn't a spanker. I just missed a few meals out because I was a "swift remover."

I didn't tolerate crap behavior from my kids, I'm not going to tolerate the menu-tossing of my nephew, and if you're one of those parents who let your brats run wild and screech and throw fits in places where there is an expectation of civility, I hate you.

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Like I said, a lot of young children have a shriek that is both loud enough and high-pitched enough to damage your hearing permanently -- sometimes with only one exposure, if they've got a good enough set of pipes.

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They could also grab a steak knife and try to stab someone too, right? I prefer to be a little more realistic however.

A lot of parents of multiple children have extensive hearing loss

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Many factors go into hearing loss, not the least of which being genetics.

Let's just put this issue to bed now. If a child is in public crying or screaming, there is no realistic chance of a difference to me.

Yes, I know it doesn't mean that. Thus they shouldn't have children.

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Well, why didn't someone tell them they could shove the child back up in there then? :roll:

Well, then they SHOULD plan, either before or after the fact, or just not have the kid, or give it to someone who can raise it to be a decent human being. Again, not an excuse.

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No offense, but your comments here are bordering on absurd, if not downright offensive.

Take, for example, my wife. Her mother, who was married, was taking proactive steps to avoid conceiving, but because she was not made aware a medication she was taking could negate the birth control she was on, my wife popped out 9 months later. My wife is a good person, my in-laws are good people, but the point here is that it's not as simple as saying what they "should" do.

So, yeah... this kinda disproves your concept that the only reason there are so many entitled and lazy parents recently is because they were raised that way.

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Umm, no it doesn't. I'm not even sure as to how you think it does.

One time, i was taking a siesta on the beach in Hawaii, and some little girl ran next to me, kicking sand in my face.

When i looked up, the parents were just laughing.

I wanted to walk up and throw handfuls of sand in their face. But, i managed to get by with little more than a vacant stare and went back to enjoying my vacation.

Sorry, yes; parents do have an obligation to at least try to be responsible for their children. In most cases, i wouldn't mind as long as the parent isn't completely ignoring the unruly behavior.