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Building my own PC, it's gonna be a BEAST! :)

PeteEU said:
~ Top end desktop Intel i7 processor atm ~
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I sometimes use Journal to draw with and bigger, more complex files couldn't be done on anything under i7.

Weird but wasn't fun watching work desktops and personal desktops melt when I went beyond 1.5mb file sizes whereas an i7 could handle it easily. SO an i7 is a must for me.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Thanks, looking at certain software that has killed my computers in the past when manipulating large pieces of artwork I want the most powerful processor and largest amount of RAM first.

Is 32GB RAM the highest amount that can be supported by a new processor still?
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I agree with PeteEU that Xeon is the way for you to go, but be aware that you'll also need a MB that'll support that CPU. BTW, you could get a MB that'll support TWO Xeon CPU's.

How about having 1TB of RAM? SUPERMICRO MBD-X10DRI Extended ATX Server Motherboard Dual LGA 2011 R3 Intel C612 - Newegg.com
 
Mycroft said:
I agree with PeteEU that Xeon is the way for you to go, but be aware that you'll also need a MB that'll support that CPU. BTW, you could get a MB that'll support TWO Xeon CPU's.

How about having 1TB of RAM? SUPERMICRO MBD-X10DRI Extended ATX Server Motherboard Dual LGA 2011 R3 Intel C612 - Newegg.com
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My first reaction was 1TB is way more than I'd ever need - however having read Apo's reminder you can never have too much....

Mind you - isn't there a limit to how much RAM Windows can address? Would make the vast majority of that RAM surplus to need.
 
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Redress said:
Your list says DDR3, you link to DDR4. You would want DDR4 for gaming, will make a noticeable difference on the most modern high end games.
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Not sure what you are saying? The top list is my OLD system from 3 years ago that computer is going to my daughter. All the links are about my new system.
Thanks for the info though.
 
Lutherf said:
I'm no techie but when I had my new machine built the guy told me that the SSD wasn't going to give much additional benefit so I went with a 250GB SSD and a 2 TB SATA. Was he steering me wrong?
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Nope. The controllers still aren't there yet. But coming up is Intel's 3D NAND (Samsung is already just now releasing their version to the consumer market). Those drives will be larger (density), less expensive and about 10 times faster than current SSD.
 
AGENT J said:
Not sure what you are saying? The top list is my OLD system from 3 years ago that computer is going to my daughter. All the links are about my new system.
Thanks for the info though.
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Never mind, I misunderstood.
 
Lutherf said:
I'm no techie but when I had my new machine built the guy told me that the SSD wasn't going to give much additional benefit so I went with a 250GB SSD and a 2 TB SATA. Was he steering me wrong?
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Part of the biggest issues with a ssd drive are not even benefit, but reliability. They load faster for certain tasks, but not all ssd drives are equal.

Some brands are designed for repeated read and write, while others are nothing more than oversized flash drives. Many inferior drives suffer massive read/write data loss after so many writes, which games and operating systems do constantly. This is worse because even the cheap junky ssd drive cost more than most standard hard drives, yet last months before serious issues.

From my experience ssd drives are quite usefull, but a good reputable brand has to be bought.
 
PeteEU said:
Well depends on what you define as benefit. Now days thanks to the iPad and mobile phones, people expect their devices to start up fast. A normal harddrive running Windows 7 or earlier will take ages (relatively speaking) too boot up. Windows 8 and especially 10 has improved start up time dramatically on normal harddrives, but nothing beats an SSD when it comes to boot up and running of some programs/games/apps... basically anything that needs to access large amounts of data fast.

But for movies, general files, and even games.. no there is no benefit.
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Confirmed. My experience as well.

Even a SATA 2 laptop with an SSD will see benefit. With a SATA 3 desktop, the OS (and programs) start nearly instantly, they leap to the screen.
Nice.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Thanks, looking at certain software that has killed my computers in the past when manipulating large pieces of artwork I want the most powerful processor and largest amount of RAM first.

Is 32GB RAM the highest amount that can be supported by a new processor still?
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64 bit operating systems can handle much more, 32 bit processors and operating systems could handle 32 with pae, and around 4 without. 32 is seen as the norm still because most software today still is made for 32 bit computers due to backwards compatibility, and software devolopers felt no need to design software to utilize beyond their lowest systems aka 32 bit.

Since 32 bit computers have been on the way out, 64 bit computers that can utilize above 32gb of ram will become more norm, and game designers will design more games to fully utilize 64 bit architecture rather than making 32/64 bit software bottlenecked at 32 bit limitations for compatibility reasons.
 
beerftw said:
64 bit operating systems can handle much more, 32 bit processors and operating systems could handle 32 with pae, and around 4 without. 32 is seen as the norm still because most software today still is made for 32 bit computers due to backwards compatibility, and software devolopers felt no need to design software to utilize beyond their lowest systems aka 32 bit.

Since 32 bit computers have been on the way out, 64 bit computers that can utilize above 32gb of ram will become more norm, and game designers will design more games to fully utilize 64 bit architecture rather than making 32/64 bit software bottlenecked at 32 bit limitations for compatibility reasons.
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I'm guessing 64 bit processors will handle number crunching maths operations really quickly too?

Could be why my bigger Microsoft Journal files absolutely die on anything less than an i7 computer. I haven't been able to create anything beyond 1.75 Mb but I have tested my drawing files on an i5 and had to wait 2-3 minutes for the file to load up and between every on-screen brush-stroke.

Beats 20 minutes and more waiting time on my core2duo tabletpc.. Which is why I need to build anything new around fast number crunching.
 
AGENT J said:
about 3 years ago I ordered a pc and talked about it here:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/off-topic-discussion/139796-im-geeking-out.html


This was the basics of the system:
INTEL i7-3770 3.4GHz
2 EVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti 2048 MB
16GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM
3 HP W2371d 23-inch LED Backlit LCD Monitor
Cool Master 1000 Watt PS

Great system gonna give to my daughter.

This this is my NEW system :)

Case: Corsair Carbide 300R with Sound dampening
Carbide Series® 300R Compact PC Gaming Case

Case Fans: Consiar Air Series AF120 LED blue QUiet Edition High Airflow
Two 120mm top fans, Two side panel 120mm fans and Two front panel 140mm fans all blue led, extra quiet with vibration mounts.
Air Series AF120 LED Blue Quiet Edition High Airflow 120mm Fan

Fan Controller: Lamptron FCT
http://www.lamptron.com/product/controllers/fc-touch/

MOB: ASUS X99 Deluxe/U3.1
https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/X99DELUXEU31/

CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-5930K Six-Core 3.50GHz 15MB Intel Smart Cache LGA2011-V3
http://ark.intel.com/products/82931/Intel-Core-i7-5930K-Processor-15M-Cache-up-to-3_70-GHz

CPU Fan: ENERMAX ETS-T40F-BK CPU Cooler Blue LED
http://www.enermax.com/home.php?fn=eng/product_a1_1_1&lv0=49&lv1=50&no=302

Memory: 8GB Kingston HyperX Fury x 4
http://www.hyperxgaming.com/us/memory/fury-ddr4

Video Cards: Two EVGA GeForce GTX 960 4GB FTW[h=1]OS Drive: 250GB Samsung 850 EVO Series
http://www.samsung.com/global/busin...isite/SSD/global/html/ssd850evo/overview.html[/h]Data Drive: Dual 1 TB Seagate Desktop SSHD Hybrid Drives in Raid 1 configuration
http://www.seagate.com/internal-hard-drives/solid-state-hybrid/desktop-solid-state-hybrid-drive/

Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000watt G2
https://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=120-G2-1000-XR

Blu-Ray: Pioneer BDR206DBK
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Computer/Computer+Drives/BDR-209DBK
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I have almost that same system running my ProTools. I got the little quad-SSD box that fits into the CD drive slot, the Windows is on an SSD, and the audio is on another SSD, and the samples are on a third SSD. If I unplug all the SSD's, then I revert to a standard Win-7 running off a hard drive.

One thing I noticed, that you might want to be aware of at some point, is that if you install two different instances of Windows onto the same system, both instances will attempt to make use of whatever hard drives your system thinks are "permanently attached". Also, when you back up a system that has been installed with permanently attached drives, the backup will not complete unless you have enough space to accommodate all the drives.

What this means is, is you have lots of drives, you should unplug them all before installing windows, and then if you have to install a second instance of Windows onto the same machine (even onto an SSD), unplug all the other drives before you do it. This way, you can back up your Windows onto a small drive, and you can faithfully "image" the rest of the disks since they won't be reliant on Windows.

Also, IF you don't follow this guideline, when you mount the second instance of Windows as a regular drive on the first instance, you'll notice there's a 100-meg partition at the head of your second drive that the system won't let you access, it's marked "Windows Reserved". If you install your instances separately, this won't happen, the system will let you mount the 100-meg partition just like any other partition, and therefore you can then "image" your Windows drives just like any other drive. (To "image" a drive, most software requires that the entire drive be visible as a single partition, there is smarter software but it won't work if it can't mount the partition).

TMI, probably. Maybe file it away for when TSHTF and we actually have to do something useful with our computers. lol :)
 
AGENT J said:
1.) see post #9 for my usage
http://www.debatepolitics.com/off-t...my-own-pc-its-gonna-beast.html#post1065272906
970s are 1bout $100 more a piece
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But with the money you would save on not buying two data SSD drives... ;)

2.)??? you must of miss read I bought hybrid drives not just SSD but SSHD.
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I totally did. Well, I caught it after I posted and before you posted, but after the time I could edit. My bad.

3.) no biggie . . . .and the **** always seems to hit the fan all at once. WHat you describe sounds like me two years ago. AC, sub-pump, then washer and dryer so I feel your pain.
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Well, our washer went out also, as did our grill and lawn mower. Luckily, I have very nice parents who are retired and can afford to get me birthday/Christmas presents months in advance.
 
beerftw said:
Part of the biggest issues with a ssd drive are not even benefit, but reliability. They load faster for certain tasks, but not all ssd drives are equal.

Some brands are designed for repeated read and write, while others are nothing more than oversized flash drives. Many inferior drives suffer massive read/write data loss after so many writes, which games and operating systems do constantly. This is worse because even the cheap junky ssd drive cost more than most standard hard drives, yet last months before serious issues.

From my experience ssd drives are quite usefull, but a good reputable brand has to be bought.
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Another issue might also be data recovery. When a regular hard drive goes, it starts giving warning, and you can back up and replace. An SSD drive can just stop working dead in it's tracks, and there is no method of getting the data from it once it does so.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
I'm guessing 64 bit processors will handle number crunching maths operations really quickly too?

Could be why my bigger Microsoft Journal files absolutely die on anything less than an i7 computer. I haven't been able to create anything beyond 1.75 Mb but I have tested my drawing files on an i5 and had to wait 2-3 minutes for the file to load up and between every on-screen brush-stroke.

Beats 20 minutes and more waiting time on my core2duo tabletpc.. Which is why I need to build anything new around fast number crunching.
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64 bit bit does not process faster, it actually processes slower because the higher bit rate of the instructions are more complicated, 64 bit also requires more memory to do the same tasks as 32 bit. the reason to switch is because even though it is more resource hungry the caps on speed and ram are vastly higher vs the extra power needed.

The core2due vs i5 or i7 is not a very good comparison, they are completely different in design and the i-5 and i-7 are still beating amd variants, which until then had always outdone intel. The 32/64 issue comes with 64 bit processors will run 32 bit software but not the other way around, so software is mostly made 32 bit to maximise compatibility, but also cripples the benefits of 64 bit, like much higher ram. The same thing happened in the dos and early windows, most software was made for dos and written in 16 bit even though windows was 32 bit, and often used dos extenders to trick dos into using memory well above 16 bit limits and into 32 bit. It retained compatibility but performed slower than making a true 32 bit program that fully utilized 32 bit architecture.
 
Lutherf said:
I'm no techie but when I had my new machine built the guy told me that the SSD wasn't going to give much additional benefit so I went with a 250GB SSD and a 2 TB SATA. Was he steering me wrong?
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I don't come close to using the 250gb on my ssd for my workstations or home computers. For other stuff, pictures, movies, etc. I just went with a usb 3.0 portable HD. It's IMO easier to move the data from computer to computer.
 
RAMOSS said:
Another issue might also be data recovery. When a regular hard drive goes, it starts giving warning, and you can back up and replace. An SSD drive can just stop working dead in it's tracks, and there is no method of getting the data from it once it does so.
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I have actually never tried to understand data recovery on an ssd, a hard drive can be read by machines to recover data and even deleted data through magnetic imprints of previous data, but they used metal disks, while a ssd does not. So i would be curious if anyone knew how to recover from them.
 
beerftw said:
I have actually never tried to understand data recovery on an ssd, a hard drive can be read by machines to recover data and even deleted data through magnetic imprints of previous data, but they used metal disks, while a ssd does not. So i would be curious if anyone knew how to recover from them.
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From what I gather, you don't. The data is lost. .. go to backups.
 
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