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Who would survive a zombie Apocylypse?[W:54]

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Alright this seems like a very cleshay question, but there is a lot of parts of this scenarios that people do not think about and go over. Now there is the fighting for survival, making supply's out of wood and rocks and stuff you find around, technical knowledge, shelter, weapons, and all that. However we do not take into account stuff like metabolic rates. Now this goes into basic Biology and how our bodies work.

Biology of fat: Now to be skinny you have to burn a certain amount of calories and burn a certain amount of fat. Generally if you are eating constantly, small fat preserves are a good thing. However in a scenario where there is lack of food, more fat would be more beneficial. Since when your body has nothing out to burn, it start burning your fat preserves. Now there is different type of sugars. There is fast acting sugars which give you quick bursts of energy, and there is long stored sugar which is deposited as fat preserves, and generally take longer to burn. So hypothetically if someone is say 300 pounds overweight and there is a situation where they dont eat for lets say weeks they are going to just get thinner and while they might be very hungry, they wont start to die till their body burns off those extra 300 pounds. Now if someone has a normal/healthy amount of fat, they need to replenish that fuel constantly, meaning if they go weeks without eating they are going to going to be in some serious trouble.

Now its assumed that the skinny person will be able to outrun stuff in a natural disaster. Like lets say lions at the zoo are lose and chasing them, they are not going to be eaten. Now say the same for a fat guy and he is probably not going to make it but he probably wont starve like Mr.100 pound skinny guy over here. So Hypothetically, including the metabolic rate, Who do you think truly has more chance of surviving a Zombie Apocalypse, a Biological disaster, or a natural disaster, if in these situations they risk going weeks without food?
 
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Goodness, with a brain as absolutely tasty as mine, I'm sure I'd be the first to go.
 
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We'd all die. Not because of the zombies, but because of disentary. Lack of clean drinking water would kill ALL of us.
 
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MisterLogical said:
Alright this seems like a very cleshay question, but there is a lot of parts of this scenarios that people do not think about and go over. Now there is the fighting for survival, making supply's out of wood and rocks and stuff you find around, technical knowledge, shelter, weapons, and all that. However we do not take into account stuff like metabolic rates. Now this goes into basic Biology and how our bodies work.

Biology of fat: Now to be skinny you have to burn a certain amount of calories and burn a certain amount of fat. Generally if you are eating constantly, small fat preserves are a good thing. However in a scenario where there is lack of food, more fat would be more beneficial. Since when your body has nothing out to burn, it start burning your fat preserves. Now there is different type of sugars. There is fast acting sugars which give you quick bursts of energy, and there is long stored sugar which is deposited as fat preserves, and generally take longer to burn. So hypothetically if someone is say 300 pounds overweight and there is a situation where they dont eat for lets say weeks they are going to just get thinner and while they might be very hungry, they wont start to die till their body burns off those extra 300 pounds. Now if someone has a normal/healthy amount of fat, they need to replenish that fuel constantly, meaning if they go weeks without eating they are going to going to be in some serious trouble.

Now its assumed that the skinny person will be able to outrun stuff in a natural disaster. Like lets say lions at the zoo are lose and chasing them, they are not going to be eaten. Now say the same for a fat guy and he is probably not going to make it but he probably wont starve like Mr.100 pound skinny guy over here. So Hypothetically, including the metabolic rate, Who do you think truly has more chance of surviving a Zombie Apocalypse, a Biological disaster, or a natural disaster, if in these situations they risk going weeks without food?
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It depends on the details, like so many things.

For one, I don't care how skinny you are, or if you're Usain Bolt, you're not outrunning a hungry lion unless he lets you. Nor dogs. Two legs is slower than four... even a buffalo can out-sprint most human runners.


Two, fitness is useful in many ways. Being fit makes it easier to move, hide, travel, scavenge, fight, run, climb and so on. However someone can be moderately overweight and still be more physically fit and capable than many commonly assume.

Short-to-mid term endurance is an important survival factor. Short term endurance favors the lean athlete; mid-term endurance (enduring cold and hunger and physical effort over days or weeks) favors those with a little extra fat. A LITTLE extra. Not a huge spare tire.

If there's no food to be had, in the long term everybody starves, so being fat only extends the misery and perhaps not as long as you think.


So, generally, those in good shape but maybe carrying an extra 5-20 pounds would probably be best off, but really the single biggest factor you can have that will enhance your ability to survive a crisis is....


Mental Flexibility.

The ability to set aside your expectations and norms and see things for what they really ARE, in the present situation, and adapt your thinking and behaviors to fit the circumstances, will be far more important than fat ratios or fitness.
 
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I'm good with guns, discipline (82nd Abn inf) and natural farming (ag ecology). My education level makes me a teacher if needed. Who needs supplies when you've an apocalypse resume. When the crap hits the fan, people want to give me the gun, the hoe and the book.
 
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MisterLogical said:
Alright this seems like a very cleshay question, but there is a lot of parts of this scenarios that people do not think about and go over. Now there is the fighting for survival, making supply's out of wood and rocks and stuff you find around, technical knowledge, shelter, weapons, and all that. However we do not take into account stuff like metabolic rates. Now this goes into basic Biology and how our bodies work.

Biology of fat: Now to be skinny you have to burn a certain amount of calories and burn a certain amount of fat. Generally if you are eating constantly, small fat preserves are a good thing. However in a scenario where there is lack of food, more fat would be more beneficial. Since when your body has nothing out to burn, it start burning your fat preserves. Now there is different type of sugars. There is fast acting sugars which give you quick bursts of energy, and there is long stored sugar which is deposited as fat preserves, and generally take longer to burn. So hypothetically if someone is say 300 pounds overweight and there is a situation where they dont eat for lets say weeks they are going to just get thinner and while they might be very hungry, they wont start to die till their body burns off those extra 300 pounds. Now if someone has a normal/healthy amount of fat, they need to replenish that fuel constantly, meaning if they go weeks without eating they are going to going to be in some serious trouble.

Now its assumed that the skinny person will be able to outrun stuff in a natural disaster. Like lets say lions at the zoo are lose and chasing them, they are not going to be eaten. Now say the same for a fat guy and he is probably not going to make it but he probably wont starve like Mr.100 pound skinny guy over here. So Hypothetically, including the metabolic rate, Who do you think truly has more chance of surviving a Zombie Apocalypse, a Biological disaster, or a natural disaster, if in these situations they risk going weeks without food?
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The zombie apocalypse is a metaphor for the general collapse of civilization, of course. The zombies are all the people you'd have to fight off to keep your food, water, supplies and to defend yourself. Desperate starving people struggling to find food and water would probably begin to look a lot like zombies after a few days. They wouldn't go for your brains they'd go for your canned goods.

All it would take for a general collapse to happen is for cheap petroleum energy to be shut off. That would cause a collapse of farming and transportation of goods into populated areas among other things.

Those who survive will be those who prepare to bug out and live in the country.
 
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I'll tell you what would survive, the damn cockroaches. Nuclear war, Zombie Apocalypse, massive climate changes, even a Justin Bieber concert... cockroaches can survive it all.

Little ****s...
 
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ecofarm said:
I'm good with guns, discipline (82nd Abn inf) and natural farming (ag ecology). My education level makes me a teacher if needed. Who needs supplies when you've an apocalypse resume. When the crap hits the fan, people want to give me the gun, the hoe and the book.
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I'd take you on the team even if you showed up empty handed.
 
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Goshin said:
I'd take you on the team even if you showed up empty handed.
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Just to make sure, I'll add that I enjoy studying the Bible and respect metaphysical beliefs and expression.
 
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LowDown said:
The zombie apocalypse is a metaphor for the general collapse of civilization, of course. The zombies are all the people you'd have to fight off to keep your food, water, supplies and to defend yourself. Desperate starving people struggling to find food and water would probably begin to look a lot like zombies after a few days. They wouldn't go for your brains they'd go for your canned goods.

All it would take for a general collapse to happen is for cheap petroleum energy to be shut off. That would cause a collapse of farming and transportation of goods into populated areas among other things.

Those who survive will be those who prepare to bug out and live in the country.
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I actually did not consider that. that is an interesting take on it. Maybe that is why right now they are doing so many zombie movies and everything.
 
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If it was jut my family, we would likely die. My children are small, so we will move slow, and have problems.

If it was a community of my friends families, all of us living together.... then we are probably going to end up with a nice little empire.

In a world without rules, People Who Kill People Are The Happiest People In The World.
 
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If we could adjust to the lack of ac and running water, my family would do just fine. I already live next to a river, in a decent-size stretch of woods, with land already prepared for cultivation nearby. All you city slickers are on your own! :lol:
 
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ecofarm said:
I'm good with guns, discipline (82nd Abn inf) and natural farming (ag ecology). My education level makes me a teacher if needed. Who needs supplies when you've an apocalypse resume. When the crap hits the fan, people want to give me the gun, the hoe and the book.
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Nawww survival is me now, not society later. IF you don't have your 'gun' in your hand you'll die for that half a snickers you have in it. you'll have to fight your way out to where the Hoes live and the sad thing there is there will already be a bushel basket of 'gun' users, farmers and ranchers with seed, livestock and equipment to do quite well without you.

Unless the rural areas are cleared of people you will find places suitable for agriculture already owned and unless you're willing to kill entire families you'll be SOL.

Best chances of survival is to already be part of a small ag community that is still big enough to have basic medical care and smart/lucky enough to get a few skilled surgeons/doctors before the massive waves of everyoneelse hits.
 
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notquiteright said:
Nawww survival is me now, not society later. IF you don't have your 'gun' in your hand you'll die for that half a snickers you have in it. you'll have to fight your way out to where the Hoes live and the sad thing there is there will already be a bushel basket of 'gun' users, farmers and ranchers with seed, livestock and equipment to do quite well without you.

Unless the rural areas are cleared of people you will find places suitable for agriculture already owned and unless you're willing to kill entire families you'll be SOL.

Best chances of survival is to already be part of a small ag community that is still big enough to have basic medical care and smart/lucky enough to get a few skilled surgeons/doctors before the massive waves of everyoneelse hits.
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In an apoc, I'm more valuable than you can imagine. My training in the aforementioned fields is elite.
 
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cpwill said:
If it was jut my family, we would likely die. My children are small, so we will move slow, and have problems. If it was a community of my friends families, all of us living together.... then we are probably going to end up with a nice little empire. In a world without rules, People Who Kill People Are The Happiest People In The World.
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Yes and quite often the nomadic killer groups with support weapons end up ravaging the community before the dream of empire is attained. fixed targets such as settlements have proven highly susceptible to raids, think Vikings vs Saxons. The raiders don't have to burn down the hooch kill the kids and rape the pigs to ruin you, just have to ravage the food supply right before harvests, that's when a settlement is most vulnerable. Menfolk scattered out working the fields defeats much of the defensive capability of a group.

Native vs White settler fall raids show the vulnerability of a agrarian society to destructive raids.
 
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notquiteright said:
Yes and quite often the nomadic killer groups with support weapons end up ravaging the community before the dream of empire is attained. fixed targets such as settlements have proven highly susceptible to raids, think Vikings vs Saxons.
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Nomadic killers in this generation are unlikely to be made up of Marine Corps combat veterans using weapons similar to that which they took to war, defending from prepared positions. This isn't our first rodeo against their types.
 
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ecofarm said:
In an apoc, I'm more valuable than you can imagine. My training in the aforementioned fields is elite.
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LOL, you keep telling yourself that, but let's review the facts- unless you bring a truck load of crew served with you, any wepons you own will be small potatoes to what the country folks have. (to include M82s and the like)

You think hairborne grunt is elite, cool beans, but most small towns around here have quite a few vets with grunt back rounds, and Instructor back rounds and well honed leadership skills with their close kin and friends from high school- the odds of you being accepted into the group without a hot wife to trade is pretty low.

Elite hoer??? Oh I bet that's a nice certificate. But again you'll be hauling coal to Newcastle bringing that out of the big City.

FAR better would be a DOCTOR with a nice rifle, and a truck load of medical supplies and equipt...
 
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Megu-Nee would protect me...

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notquiteright said:
LOL, you keep telling yourself that, but let's review the facts- unless you bring a truck load of crew served with you, any wepons you own will be small potatoes to what the country folks have. (to include M82s and the like)

You think hairborne grunt is elite, cool beans, but most small towns around here have quite a few vets with grunt back rounds, and Instructor back rounds and well honed leadership skills with their close kin and friends from high school- the odds of you being accepted into the group without a hot wife to trade is pretty low.

Elite hoer??? Oh I bet that's a nice certificate. But again you'll be hauling coal to Newcastle bringing that out of the big City.

FAR better would be a DOCTOR with a nice rifle, and a truck load of medical supplies and equipt...
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Say bud... you could have said that in a rather less sarcastic, biting way, don'tcha think? That is, if you're really trying to add to the conversation and not just wind people up...
 
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notquiteright said:
You think hairborne grunt is elite, cool beans,
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I don't "think" it's elite. It is.

Elite hoer??? Oh I bet that's a nice certificate. But again you'll be hauling coal to Newcastle bringing that out of the big City.
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I've a masters and did a phd program including over 2 years in the field on natural farming. I'm an expert in everything from soil conditions to pest management.

My training in firearm use and tactics, as well as natural ag, is well beyond a layman's comprehension.

Anyway, I got all the proof I need in post #8; Goshin knows the right stuff.
 
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cpwill said:
Nomadic killers in this generation are unlikely to be made up of Marine Corps combat veterans using weapons similar to that which they took to war, defending from prepared positions. This isn't our first rodeo against their types.
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I wouldn't be too sure about that, after all you didn't get the 'rule' about a world without rules from your 4th POC. I can easily see rogue bands of former soldiers of every service deciding the skull and crossbones tat in their sleeve is now for real!

Would be nice if the bad guys sent a formal notification of pending doom so the settlement could man the prepared positions in a timely manner. Howsomever the settlement isn't a fire base where supplies drop in by chinook daily. To surround an area big enough to supply a settlement would require thousands of marine vets. To rely on strong points would allow the raiders to pillage the fields, kill the livestock and starve you out.

Fact is the bad guys will wait until the settlement is most vulnerable, and the crops are ready for harvest, the livestock out grazing past the already grazed area.

I'd opine unless you have fire support, and I wouldn't bet the raiders don't. Not even marines do well against an enemy they underestimate. But unless you have fire support so isolated work details can call for fire you'll be picked off small detail by small detail, raided for livestock and have your fields burned when ready for harvest.

So when it comes to the apoc, yeah it is your first rodeo and if you insist on underestimating your enemies, it will be your last.
 
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MisterLogical said:
What anime is this from? I would like to watch it.
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School Live/gakkou gurashi. It is currently running, available on Crunchyroll. Do not let the first 20 minutes of episode 1 cause you to give up. If you make it to the end of the first episode, you are greatly rewarded.
 
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notquiteright said:
I wouldn't be too sure about that, after all you didn't get the 'rule' about a world without rules from your 4th POC. I can easily see rogue bands of former soldiers of every service deciding the skull and crossbones tat in their sleeve is now for real!

Would be nice if the bad guys sent a formal notification of pending doom so the settlement could man the prepared positions in a timely manner. Howsomever the settlement isn't a fire base where supplies drop in by chinook daily. To surround an area big enough to supply a settlement would require thousands of marine vets. To rely on strong points would allow the raiders to pillage the fields, kill the livestock and starve you out.

Fact is the bad guys will wait until the settlement is most vulnerable, and the crops are ready for harvest, the livestock out grazing past the already grazed area.

I'd opine unless you have fire support, and I wouldn't bet the raiders don't. Not even marines do well against an enemy they underestimate. But unless you have fire support so isolated work details can call for fire you'll be picked off small detail by small detail, raided for livestock and have your fields burned when ready for harvest.

So when it comes to the apoc, yeah it is your first rodeo and if you insist on underestimating your enemies, it will be your last.
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Well, someone's scared.
 
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ecofarm said:
I don't "think" it's elite. It is. I've a masters and did a phd program including over 2 years in the field on natural farming. I'm an expert in everything from soil conditions to pest management. My training in firearm use and tactics, as well as natural ag, is well beyond a layman's comprehension. Anyway, I got all the proof I need in post #8; Goshin knows the right stuff.
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Yes Goshin the prison guard knows ag, and grunt tactics...

What do you think the American farmer is? A high school dropout? far more of my fellow rancher/farmers are OSU grads and far more to the point know the climate, pests, cultivars, and cycles of this region.

Tuck you elite back in your pants, fact is most laymen comprehend what you are quite well. But once again you ASS-ume there are no combat vets in the community. Your haughty attitude will keep you outside the community, no gun and no hoe.

Be a surgeon with a Uhaul of supplies and eqiupt we can talk, otherwise we have more than we can use... but who knows, maybe a band of city refugees will let you live long enough to show them your certificate. hope you brought some seeds- a bushel per acre is what we plant for wheat.
 
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