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Josh Duggar (of TLC's 19 Kids and Counting) admits to molesting.... [W:171,357]

Josh Duggar (of TLC's 19 Kids and Counting) admits to molesting....

Gathomas88 said:
All the more reason to keep things "in house," imo.

Sorry, but I'm not relying on some - most likely, militantly Left Wing - petty bureaucrat on a power trip to make decisions for my family. I'm especially not doing so if I'm someone like the Duggar family, who knows damn well that such individuals have a vested interest in trying squash people with views like my own under heel.
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I can relate to the hesitancy and the really negative reaction toward social services (on our case *they* we're breaking the law), but I also intimately know situations in which social services should have been involved-and that involved sibling abuse swept under the rug by parents wanting to keep the happy family mirage alive in their heads and in the community.

It doesn't often go away Gath. Residual effects can last decades and decades later. Trust me.
 
Fiddytree said:
No kidding. My family went through a really complicated battle with our SS that ended legally in our favor.

When they get involved...they get involved :p
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My husband knew a guy once, was strict on his daughters. One of the daughters got into a fight and came home with a black eye. She got into an argument with her father that night, and the next day at school, she told them that her father did it. Social Services took them away over allegations of abuse, and it took him years to get them back. Even after the girls were put in foster care, and the daughter admitted that she lied, he still didn't get them back.

Man you don't screw around with Social Services. :lol:
 
Gathomas88 said:
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Yeah, just keep it quiet, let the family deal with someone that is a molester, don't go to the authorities. Because...it worked so well for the Catholic Church to just cover up their peophiles...:roll:
 
Gathomas88 said:
Well, if government wants to intrude, then they are going to have to appeal to the "might makes right" principle, because I'm sure as sh*t not inviting them in.

My family, my business. End of story. I don't care what the law has to say about, because I frankly don't really care all that much about secular law.
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:lol: Man you have a lot to learn to be as old as you are. You are quite naïve.
 
Josh Duggar (of TLC's 19 Kids and Counting) admits to molesting....

Superfly said:
My husband knew a guy once, was strict on his daughters. One of the daughters got into a fight and came home with a black eye. She got into an argument with her father that night, and the next day at school, she told them that her father did it. Social Services took them away over allegations of abuse, and it took him years to get them back. Even after the girls were put in foster care, and the daughter admitted that she lied, he still didn't get them back.

Man you don't screw around with Social Services. :lol:
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Now we are giving Gath the false impression that false accusations and internal bureaucratic corruption means it's a good thing that when you know something happened it's better to keep your lip shut instead of protecting your kids lol.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Again, 14 isn't that far removed from being a "child" one's self.
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If he had been 10 or 11, your belief that people are taking this too seriously may be valid because at that point his actions would have likely been based in curiosity and boundary issues that could have been addressed.

However, at 14, his actions are obviously sexual in nature. Touching a 4 or 5 year old for sexual gratification at 14 years old is a problem - something is wrong. It may not be as ****ed up as a 40 year old abusing a child, but it's still ****ed up and, if you are a parent, you don't brush it off the way you are now. Your comments are extremely dismissive and immature.
 
Gathomas88 said:
All the more reason to keep things "in house," imo.

Sorry, but I'm not relying on some - most likely, militantly Left Wing - petty bureaucrat on a power trip to make decisions for my family. I'm especially not doing so if I'm someone like the Duggar family, who knows damn well that such individuals have a vested interest in trying squash people with views like my own under heel.
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What part of "you don't get to make that choice" do you not understand?? Are you really this slow? Man, they will come in your house and snatch your children up quicker than you can say Jim Bob Duggar and there is NOTHING that you can do about it. NOTHING. If Social Services or Child Protective Services senses even a hint of impropriety, those children will be put in foster care pending an investigation. And guess what? It SHOULD be that way. Had this not been buried by these people, Child Protective Services would have most definitely gotten involved.
 
Fiddytree said:
I can relate to the hesitancy and the really negative reaction toward social services (on our case *they* we're breaking the law), but I also intimately know situations in which social services should have been involved-and that involved sibling abuse swept under the rug by parents wanting to keep the happy family mirage alive in their heads and in the community.

It doesn't often go away Gath. Residual effects can last decades and decades later. Trust me.
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To be fair, coming up in a religious conservative homeschooling family, my opinion of them is probably more negative than most. We were harassed pretty frequently simply for not being in the public school system.

Suffice to say, SS is sometimes needed. However, like all bureaucracies, it has a need to justify its own existence, and a tendency to want to overreach with regard to its use of authority.

Again, as such, I would only turn to them as a last resort.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Well, if government wants to intrude, then they are going to have to appeal to the "might makes right" principle, because I'm sure as sh*t not inviting them in.

My family, my business. End of story. I don't care what the law has to say about, because I frankly don't really care all that much about secular law.
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Parents who take that attitude usually end up without custody of their children.
 
Superfly said:
What part of "you don't get to make that choice" do you not understand??
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Sure you do. You just don't get them involved if there's no need for it. :lol:

The simple fact of the matter is that SS usually does more harm than good. Anyone who voluntarily involves them in their lives, when they know that the situation isn't that serious to begin with, is an idiot.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
If he had been 10 or 11, your belief that people are taking this too seriously may be valid because at that point his actions would have likely been based in curiosity and boundary issues that could have been addressed.
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I'm going to strongly dissent there. Have someone close to me that was abused by an age peer a couple years younger than that and that's what the cops said to their folks. "Boys will be boys".

To this day, that person cannot handle locker rooms, is uncomfortable in public bathrooms, does not like unknown touches on the shoulder , and so on without needing to deck some one.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
If he had been 10 or 11, your belief that people are taking this too seriously may be valid because at that point his actions would have likely been based in curiosity and boundary issues that could have been addressed.

However, at 14, his actions are obviously sexual in nature. Touching a 4 or 5 year old for sexual gratification at 14 years old is a problem - something is wrong. It may not be as ****ed up as a 40 year old abusing a child, but it's still ****ed up and, if you are a parent, you don't brush it off the way you are now. Your comments are extremely dismissive and immature.
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Well, again. That's simply not your call to make. :shrug:

Frankly, your eagerness to brand the man as a pedophile in spite of your lack of any qualification to do so is what is "immature" here.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Sure you do. You just don't get them involved if there's no need for it. :lol:

The simple fact of the matter is that SS usually does more harm than good. Anyone who voluntarily involves them in their lives, when they know that the situation isn't that serious to begin with, is an idiot.
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Are you stupid or something? I mean seriously?
 
Gathomas88 said:
To be fair, coming up in a religious conservative homeschooling family, my opinion of them is probably more negative than most. We were harassed pretty frequently simply for not being in the public school system.

Suffice to say, SS is sometimes needed. However, like all bureaucracies, it has a need to justify its own existence, and a tendency to want to overreach with regard to its use of authority.

Again, as such, I would only turn to them as a last resort.
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Last resort, after all that additional molesting...

My parents had 7 kids, yet they still signed up to take in 2 foster kids, brothers who were pretty messed up and abused by their father and their older brother was KIA in Vietnam. We had them for a year when they were in high school, the system worked, they got to live in a normal loving family for a while, and be away from their father.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Well, again. That's simply not your call to make. :shrug:

Frankly, your eagerness to brand the man as a pedophile in spite of your lack of any qualification to do so is what is "immature" here.
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Frankly, your myopia at defending this guy and saying there is nothing wrong, is just plain creepy.
 
beefheart said:
Last resort, after all that additional molesting...
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Of which there appears to have been none. :roll:

My parents had 7 kids, yet they still signed up to take in 2 foster kids, brothers who were pretty messed up and abused by their father and their older brother was KIA in Vietnam. We had them for a year when they were in high school, the system worked, they got to live in a normal loving family for a while, and be away from their father.
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Ummm... That's nice? :shrug:
 
Gathomas88 said:
I don't believe in "social services," nor do I necessarily recognize their authority. I don't have to do jack sh*t.

I'll involve the government if I feel there is a need for them, not before.



Josh Duggar? Do you have a source for that?

I'm pretty sure that would've made a far bigger stink than this.
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Doesn't it say that in the article from the OP?

After he returned home from his program, Jim Bob did take his son to Arkansas State Trooper Jim Hutchens, a family friend.

Hutchens had a stern talk with Josh, but did not take any official action.

He is now serving 60 years in prison after he being caught with child pornography shortly after being released from prison on a previous child pornography charge.
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I read that to mean that Duggar is doing 60 years.

Well, I guess I was wrong and it's the cop that got busted twice. Great. These people are just surrounded by ick.
 
Lutherf said:
Doesn't it say that in the article from the OP?



I read that to mean that Duggar is doing 60 years.

Well, I guess I was wrong and it's the cop that got busted twice. Great. These people are just surrounded by ick.
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Yea.... I've got to admit. That's not exactly helping their case. :lol:

Though, admittedly, it could just be an unfortunate coincidence.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Of which there appears to have been none. :roll:



Ummm... That's nice? :shrug:
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They did it after the state took the kids out of their abusive home.

I once worked for a NP that took care of abused kids, it happens a lot more than you think. Child abuse and molestation isn't something that a family can just "work out" There are trained professionals out there, saving lives, sorry you can't get around your paranoic view that all government is bad. Thankfully, their is a social safety net to help out families.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Are you?

Sorry, but I don't worship at the feet of our federal overlords. Deal with it. :shrug:
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Yes, I guess you are stupid. You have people sitting here telling you that you don't get to make the choice to deal with the government when it comes to your kids, but you are stomping your feet, holding your breath until you turn blue in the face and saying, "The government can't tell me what to do with my own family!"

Go read up on Ruby Ridge and see how well that worked out for the guy's family when he made the decision to "not deal with federal overlords."

The government always wins.

The government always wins.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Yup. When in doubt, resort to emotional ad hominem attacks.

How's that been working out for your so far, skippy? :roll:
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How ironic, I was mocking your emotional ad hominem attack.

Over your head I guess...
 
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