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How is this going to stop anything? There are plenty of stores out there that are only too willing to charge a person's EBT card, give them no product, and hand over 50-75% of the value taken in cash. That's how it's always been, unless you can get rid of that, that's how it will always be.
 
LadyMoonlight said:
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Cashless welfare card to stop addicts using money on drugs, alcohol and gambling
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They've done the same thing with unemployment benefits as well, so I'm not surprised. The NY Times is reporting that the cards can be used at ATMs. Unemployment cards can be too. Welfare recipients take out cash at strip clubs, liquor stores and X-rated shops | New York Post so I'm sure if the plan's gonna work.

Those cards should be hooked up to jobs: as long as you work, you can draw.
 
radcen said:
Only for the cheese. Nothing else. Yes, it was that good.


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Actually I've heard several people say that about the cheese. Someone said the gov't butter was really good too.
 
Cephus said:
How is this going to stop anything? There are plenty of stores out there that are only too willing to charge a person's EBT card, give them no product, and hand over 50-75% of the value taken in cash. That's how it's always been, unless you can get rid of that, that's how it will always be.
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fooling themselves if they think this fraud does not routinely happen

the homeless folks i see on a weekly basis are eligible for $190 monthly as single individuals
they get $95 cash for their monthly EBT card

the EBT card cannot be used to purchase prepared/ready-to-eat foods
it's not like these people on the street can cook/microwave the fresh or processed foods
so they sell their EBT cards, typically using the money for weed, beer, laundry expenses and/or movies
 
A lotta drug dealers take EBT as payment.



Just saying.
 
LadyMoonlight said:
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they have had cashless food stamps for years,and people who have them are prohibited from doing such now but it doesnt stop them.most enforcement now is at the storeowners discretion to enforce the laws.unless they can truly make a fully electronic system that is fully integrated in banks and stores welfare money will still be used for things like cigarettes and alchol.
 
KevinKohler said:
350 a month and up will keep a stoner perfectly happy, and a drug dealer well fed.
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Really? and here I thought a "teenth" on Breaking Bad cost several hundred dollars...I admit, I have no idea about current drug prices.

But this earlier post didn't indicate they were getting $350 a month, particularly since drug dealers don't pay full value (post 54)

justabubba said:
fooling themselves if they think this fraud does not routinely happen

the homeless folks i see on a weekly basis are eligible for $190 monthly as single individuals
they get $95 cash for their monthly EBT card
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A quick google search showed pot costs around $250 to $380 an ounce. That isn't going to keep a "stoner" happy all month
THMQ: Marijuana Prices: February 2014 | High Times
 
Well, all I can tell you, I know 2 drug dealers personally, and over my life, have known several more, and they gladly accept EBT cards.
 
Every system will have flaws, but I must agree with this system, there is no doubt it will decrease drugs/alcohol/gambling, although those things will still occur, but reform is needed.
 
KevinKohler said:
Well, all I can tell you, I know 2 drug dealers personally, and over my life, have known several more, and they gladly accept EBT cards.
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Sangha just thinks he knows it all when clearly, he doesn't.
 
Dovkan said:
Every system will have flaws, but I must agree with this system, there is no doubt it will decrease drugs/alcohol/gambling, although those things will still occur, but reform is needed.
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It won't stop anything. If you want to know what will stop people from using their EBT to buy things like drugs, alcohol and gambling? Stop giving these people money. Ship a monthly allotment of food straight to their door. Give them the products, don't give them the cash. Make the products unable to be resold.
 
Cephus said:
It won't stop anything. If you want to know what will stop people from using their EBT to buy things like drugs, alcohol and gambling? Stop giving these people money. Ship a monthly allotment of food straight to their door. Give them the products, don't give them the cash. Make the products unable to be resold.
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I'm trying to figure out how you make the products unable to be resold. Pee all over them?

EBT cards are easier to carry, have less stigma at the store, and can be refilled, which would save on mailing coupons. Moving to EBT cards makes sense, even if that doesn't curb the abuses of some people dealing them for drugs.

But if you look at the studies, poor people don't use drugs all that much compared to rich people; they can't afford it. They want food.
 
paddymcdougall said:
I'm trying to figure out how you make the products unable to be resold. Pee all over them?
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Or have them specially made with "WELFARE PRODUCT" printed all over them, maybe something like that. Make sure it can't be returned to any store for a refund. Make sure nobody on Craigslist wants to buy it.

EBT cards are easier to carry, have less stigma at the store, and can be refilled, which would save on mailing coupons. Moving to EBT cards makes sense, even if that doesn't curb the abuses of some people dealing them for drugs.
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I'm fine with stigma. In fact, these people ought to be stigmatized. They ought to be embarrassed to pull out an EBT card. The whole point is for them to be ashamed enough of their situation that they work harder to get a job, or a better job, so they can get off of the public dole.

But if you look at the studies, poor people don't use drugs all that much compared to rich people; they can't afford it. They want food.
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And big screen TVs and expensive cars with custom rims, etc.
 
LadyMoonlight said:
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That's in Australia. Very few states in America have welfare like that. Most states provide food stamps (through the use of debit cards as well as actual paper stamps), assistance with housing for the employed poor which merely cuts the rent (the govt pays the landlord directly). Then of course there's Medicaid health care, although that is almost nonexistent in many places (most providers don't take Medicaid).

I'm sure women might like the cards, since it might prevent the men from stealing the cash and buying booze and drugs, which I think is a common problem among poor men.
 
Cephus said:
Or have them specially made with "WELFARE PRODUCT" printed all over them, maybe something like that. Make sure it can't be returned to any store for a refund. Make sure nobody on Craigslist wants to buy it.



I'm fine with stigma. In fact, these people ought to be stigmatized. They ought to be embarrassed to pull out an EBT card. The whole point is for them to be ashamed enough of their situation that they work harder to get a job, or a better job, so they can get off of the public dole.



And big screen TVs and expensive cars with custom rims, etc.
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Oh yes, because statistics show the majority are buying those things with EBT's.. And you're statements of shaming these people disgust me.
 
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Cephus said:
Or have them specially made with "WELFARE PRODUCT" printed all over them, maybe something like that. Make sure it can't be returned to any store for a refund. Make sure nobody on Craigslist wants to buy it.



I'm fine with stigma. In fact, these people ought to be stigmatized. They ought to be embarrassed to pull out an EBT card. The whole point is for them to be ashamed enough of their situation that they work harder to get a job, or a better job, so they can get off of the public dole.



And big screen TVs and expensive cars with custom rims, etc.
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"Shaming the poor" is very easy to advocate when you're not poor.
 
Kobie said:
"Shaming the poor" is very easy to advocate when you're not poor.
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I know, it's hilarious, the majority of people who call the poor leeches and shame them are within the upper class. Here's a relevant picture: ImageUploadedByTapatalk1427255138.904003.jpg
 
vesper said:
That's true. But in line at the checkout, they seem to have cash for their smokes and booze. The other day this woman in front of me had two carts full of groceries. It came to over 300 bucks and everything in her cart was a name brand item. She had a carton of cigarettes, some kind of wine cooler thingies and a case of beer she paid cash. In my cart I had several Kroger brand items because they were cheaper and a handful of coupons and I paid cash. What's wrong with this picture?
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I dunno what is wrong with that picture. People can purchase whatever they want. You didn't indicate that she was purchasing this stuff with foodstamps, and how would you even know that, the new cards look exactly like any debit or credit card.
 
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