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Today I Bought A Mac

Lubuntu is mainstream for low power machines. It is based on Ubuntu.. basically Ubuntu light.



No I have not commented on other linux distros.. big difference. Now take Mint.. the main distro I use. It has its issues, and is buggy depending on which version you get your hand on. It has battery power issues (like most Linux distros) and setting up the basics like changing your desktop picture randomly from your own picture archive... until recently... you had to install a 3rd party program to do it, one that at first was not even found in the package manager. I know it is a minor issue, but it is just one of many. Like accessing a windows network for shared files.. not exactly plug and play is it now..

Now Ubuntu is just a mess with its Unity UI.. hate hate hate it. SUSE is a classic, along with Debian, but they are for experts more than novice users.

I aint no Linux nerd by any stretch, but as a more than novice user of Linux, I find lots of stuff annoyingly hard to do in Linux relative to Windows. The very fact that a lot of the help out there, requires you to use the terminal tells me that Linux is only for nerds.

Unity... I was staunchly against it. It grew on me. I really like unity now. Basically years ago when they started unity it was for a vision to do cross platform OS' that look and act the same. Windows is just doing it now with their win8. You can get an ubuntu phone, tablet and desktop and it will all look the same. Furthermore, you can get an ubuntu phone, usb it to a laptop, reboot and make it boot off your phone and it becomes your laptop's OS software and hardware right there. Pretty neat stuff.

You will conform. Conform... CONFORM!!!!!!! Conform to Unity you conformist.
 
It's very similar to Windows, actually. Furthermore, spotlight is pretty simple to use. I am not sure how you think it is more complicated. Installing programs, frankly, is easier than Windows. I don't have to go through a Wizard process, most of the time the install process only requires that I drag one icon into a shortcut to the Applications folder (all of which are found in the program's DMG file to begin with).

That alone is far more complicated than Windows lol! Most people understand... double click and click, but try explaining "drag this to that".. that is actually hard. Trust me, I do it for a living. Just yesterday I had to explain in person, how to drag a file from one folder to another.. it took 20 minutes for the person to understand the basics. And no it was not a mentally handicapped person, but novice computer person.

Took me far less effort. Uninstalling, most of the time all I had to do was drag the application file into the trash and delete. I didn't have to go into the control panel and do a Wizard to uninstall.

Just because you drag the application file to the trash and delete does not mean it is gone. I can drag the .exe file (application file) in Windows to the trash, but that leaves a ton of other files still there. That is why the uninstall process in Windows is so much better relative to OSX. Hell even Linux has a better system. No in Mac OS you actually need to find the place in the file system where it is installed and delete the whole folder, before it is "uninstalled". Good luck in finding it, as from my experience some programs/apps tend to place themselves in rather illogical places. Simple with Windows.. it is in the program files folder 99% of the time.

Very rarely did I have to have an involved uninstall, and it was for the programs that should not have been installed in the first place (much like McAfee should never be installed on a Windows machine).

Well that has something to do with the lack of programs for Mac :) Most people rarely uninstall anything, and leave it to people like me to do it. But as you know, one of the main problems with Windows is that most machines come with a butt load of bloatware, which of some needs to be uninstalled. Doing that is far easier in Windows.. go to Control Panel > Programs > press program in question > press uninstall. Asking someone to find the folder where the program is located on OSX.. not so easy.

That being said, it's mostly about familiarity. If you grew up on one, it takes reorientation to figure out the other. However, I wish Windows would completely abolish their traditional installation/uninstall process for the one I had used on Mac OS X for years.

Wont happen. They have simplified it in Windows 8 applications with most of the uninstalling done in the background, but the principles are the same.

Of course, the pipe dream would be that I wouldn't have to optimize an external hard drive for HFS or NTFS when I used one operating system or the other (because FAT sucks in comparison). Would make daily transitioning from one to the other much easier. But that's the stuff dreams are made of.

Well tell Apple to support it then. This is a very common problem with MacOSX and lots of people have complained over it for years, but it is not Microsofts fault. Linux can do it and it works, but why is Apple support so pathetic? Because that is how Apple dictates it. Hell it is one of the top 5 complaints about OSX last time I looked, along with WIFI problems.
 
Unity... I was staunchly against it. It grew on me. I really like unity now. Basically years ago when they started unity it was for a vision to do cross platform OS' that look and act the same. Windows is just doing it now with their win8. You can get an ubuntu phone, tablet and desktop and it will all look the same. Furthermore, you can get an ubuntu phone, usb it to a laptop, reboot and make it boot off your phone and it becomes your laptop's OS software and hardware right there. Pretty neat stuff.

You will conform. Conform... CONFORM!!!!!!! Conform to Unity you conformist.

I know, but still hate it. The whole idea of having that menu on the left hand side as a default is idiotic. My father puts his launch bar there in Windows and it drives me nuts because you always activate it (with auto hide) because most of the time when using the mouse you go left and right.. it is why Microsoft put it at the bottom ffs!
 
Ubuntu is all open source and I believe that Lubuntu is someone who just took ubuntu's source code and made their own OS. I dont' believe it's supported by Canonical like ubuntu. If you want a lightweight canonical supported ubuntu, try Xubuntu. Not positive but I believe it is supported by Canonical. If you want EXTREMELY light weight and EXTREMELY fast debian based OS try Crunchbang (not supported by Canonical).

Hmm maybe I was thinking of Xbuntu to be honest. I know it was one of them. I just realized I nuked my linux distro a few weeks back to install Windows 10 preview.. :) So gonna have to find the discs and start up a virtual version to confirm.. wont be today as I am beat!
 
That alone is far more complicated than Windows lol! Most people understand... double click and click, but try explaining "drag this to that".. that is actually hard. Trust me, I do it for a living. Just yesterday I had to explain in person, how to drag a file from one folder to another.. it took 20 minutes for the person to understand the basics. And no it was not a mentally handicapped person, but novice computer person.

It's not more complicated Pete. I dragged one file an inch into a pre-made shortcut in the installation folder and I was done. It's easier.



Just because you drag the application file to the trash and delete does not mean it is gone. I can drag the .exe file (application file) in Windows to the trash, but that leaves a ton of other files still there. That is why the uninstall process in Windows is so much better relative to OSX. Hell even Linux has a better system. No in Mac OS you actually need to find the place in the file system where it is installed and delete the whole folder, before it is "uninstalled". Good luck in finding it, as from my experience some programs/apps tend to place themselves in rather illogical places. Simple with Windows.. it is in the program files folder 99% of the time.

No. The overwhelming majority of apps are done with their uninstall process by deleting one file. I should know. I spent many years doing it day in and day out for years as my primary machine. I said others do not uninstall that way, but it was far less often than taking one file and throwing it into the trash.



Well that has something to do with the lack of programs for Mac :) Most people rarely uninstall anything, and leave it to people like me to do it. But as you know, one of the main problems with Windows is that most machines come with a butt load of bloatware, which of some needs to be uninstalled. Doing that is far easier in Windows.. go to Control Panel > Programs > press program in question > press uninstall. Asking someone to find the folder where the program is located on OSX.. not so easy.

Try uninstalling multiple applications at once in Windows. It's hilarious. "Please wait".
 
It's not more complicated Pete. I dragged one file an inch into a pre-made shortcut in the installation folder and I was done. It's easier.

First off, as I said.. one file does not make a program. Secondly the act of dragging stumps most average 40+ year old novice computer people, so it is not easier. However clicking and double clicking on stuff is simple to understand as it is a basic function of our society dating back to the first touch button telephone.

No. The overwhelming majority of apps are done with their uninstall process by deleting one file. I should know. I spent many years doing it day in and day out for years as my primary machine. I said others do not uninstall that way, but it was far less often than taking one file and throwing it into the trash.

And you would be wrong. Take WoW.. WoW is not one file. Or Office.. far from one file. HP printer software.. far from only one file.

Just because I in windows move a link on the desktop to the trash, does not mean that the program is uninstalled. Lets take a look at a program or game.. Wow.. it works on Windows and Mac. You are seriously saying that if you remove the launcher file in Mac, then it is uninstalled? No it aint!

Try uninstalling multiple applications at once in Windows. It's hilarious. "Please wait".

Yes that is near impossible... but then again why would you uninstall several things at a time? Plus there is software that can do it, if you actually want to do it.
 
First off, as I said.. one file does not make a program. Secondly the act of dragging stumps most average 40+ year old novice computer people, so it is not easier. However clicking and double clicking on stuff is simple to understand as it is a basic function of our society dating back to the first touch button telephone.

Have you used OS X for any serious length of time? How can you honestly tell me that when you open a DMG file you do not usually see one file and then very close by a pre-made shortcut to the Applications folder? How is it not less complicated to drag and drop once in comparison with opening up a Wizard which requires much more reading, multiple mouse clicks, and so on to install the program? I get people are used to it, but in sheer length of time and steps, drag and drop is far quicker.



And you would be wrong. Take WoW.. WoW is not one file. Or Office.. far from one file. HP printer software.. far from only one file.

I'm not wrong Pete. I've used OS X for years. Most of the time all I had to do was delete one file. Some applications required more work, but most did not, because they were .app bundles.

Just because I in windows move a link on the desktop to the trash, does not mean that the program is uninstalled. Lets take a look at a program or game.. Wow.. it works on Windows and Mac. You are seriously saying that if you remove the launcher file in Mac, then it is uninstalled? No it aint!

Yeah, because it's not Windows. Generally all of those files are stuffed into the .app bundle. This is basic OS X stuff, mate.


Yes that is near impossible... but then again why would you uninstall several things at a time? Plus there is software that can do it, if you actually want to do it.

The bloatware or dealing with someone who has bloatware plus a program like McAfee (which as you know, requires multiple uninstalls). That's great that there's additional programs out there.
 
So today I bought a Mac. I have always been a PC guy but I finally had enough of them. I have been through 2 laptop PC's in about 4 years. My fan on my laptop randomly decided to stop working and I threw my hands up in the air and said, "I have had enough!". With my job I always have to have a laptop because most of the time I'm on the go and constantly packing and taking out my laptop. So today I bough a Macbook Pro 13 inch screen. So far I love it and its working amazing. Still trying to get over the learning curve from PC to Mac, but so far enjoying it very much!
You will come to regret it. Just a matter of time.
 
Have you used OS X for any serious length of time?

Nope, I refuse to spend so much money on an inferior system that cant run the programs and games I want to run and those that it does run.. run them slower than my Windows PC does.

How can you honestly tell me that when you open a DMG file you do not usually see one file and then very close by a pre-made shortcut to the Applications folder? How is it not less complicated to drag and drop once in comparison with opening up a Wizard which requires much more reading, multiple mouse clicks, and so on to install the program? I get people are used to it, but in sheer length of time and steps, drag and drop is far quicker.

Because drag and drop is actually quite complicated for the average user.. they dont use it that much. I work with average users every day btw, so I should know a bit about that.. on multiple (but mostly Windows) platforms. For you and me, drag and drop might sound damn simple right? Well most people are use to clicking, not dragging. It takes time to learn that you can actually drag stuff around. My father who has been around computers since the first Osbourne and Apple machines, still after all these years, has difficulty to use drag and drop because it is so rarely used in any program. And he at least knows a considerable amount (relatively speaking) than the average computer user. Even on mobile operating systems, where drag and drop is actually use more.. most people do not use it. What they do use is clicking and more clicking. Hell right clicking on something is just as difficult.. as everyone uses left click so they have no idea that right click does something.

As for the uninstall method you are thinking of in OSX, the app bundle thing.. yes it might seem as it is uninstalling everything, but it aint. It does leave lots of files behind. Now Windows is more effective and but it also leaves a few files behind often. No system is perfect.

I'm not wrong Pete. I've used OS X for years. Most of the time all I had to do was delete one file. Some applications required more work, but most did not, because they were .app bundles.

Ahh and there you just backtracked. You dont delete one file and you should know that an .app bundle is nothing but a glorified hot link to most of the other files and by deleting that .app file you also delete the related files ... but it also is not anywhere near a real uninstall as there is always left overs in OSX that you have to manually find and delete if you want to get any where near the same effectiveness of Windows uninstall.

Go try uninstall Gargageband. That is about 3 GB according to the .app, however it is not everything. There is an additional 2 GB of support files that are not deleted when you delete the .app file. Those files you have to delete manually (or use a 3rd party app)

The bloatware or dealing with someone who has bloatware plus a program like McAfee (which as you know, requires multiple uninstalls). That's great that there's additional programs out there.

McAfee is more than one program, hence there are more than one program to uninstall. Sure they could all bundle it together like an office package, but they choose not too. Some companies do, some do not.

And bloatware is hardly only a Windows issue. There is tons of bloatware on OSX.. off the top of my head Garageband, Chess, Pages, Numbers, Keynote, iMovie, iBooks.. there are probably more that are utterly useless and take up space (and in some cases memory) which is the definition of bloatware. Hell Garageband alone is like 5 GB of space if you delete it all.
 
I bought a Mac once, hated it and cursed it for two years straight and have never bought another Apple product since
 
Lubuntu is mainstream for low power machines. It is based on Ubuntu.. basically Ubuntu light.

No I have not commented on other linux distros.. big difference. Now take Mint.. the main distro I use. It has its issues, and is buggy depending on which version you get your hand on. It has battery power issues (like most Linux distros) and setting up the basics like changing your desktop picture randomly from your own picture archive... until recently... you had to install a 3rd party program to do it, one that at first was not even found in the package manager. I know it is a minor issue, but it is just one of many. Like accessing a windows network for shared files.. not exactly plug and play is it now..

Now Ubuntu is just a mess with its Unity UI.. hate hate hate it. SUSE is a classic, along with Debian, but they are for experts more than novice users.

I aint no Linux nerd by any stretch, but as a more than novice user of Linux, I find lots of stuff annoyingly hard to do in Linux relative to Windows. The very fact that a lot of the help out there, requires you to use the terminal tells me that Linux is only for nerds.

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I'm not getting into this with you again. It's clear you haven't used Linux in years, or at all. Last time you were complaining about Linux not having Spotify, when it has for the past 3 or 4 years. Then you were complaining about how hard partitioning is, when all you have to do is drag a slider to indicate the percentage of the drive to use when you install. Then you were complaining about Mint having the Unity UI, when Mint has NEVER had the Unity UI.

You change a desktop picture the same way you do in every other OS. Main release Mint is not "buggy." You share files the same way you do in any other OS. I have never had to use the terminal even once in the 5 years I've been using Linux. Even installing it is completely graphical.
 
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Have you used OS X for any serious length of time? How can you honestly tell me that when you open a DMG file you do not usually see one file and then very close by a pre-made shortcut to the Applications folder? How is it not less complicated to drag and drop once in comparison with opening up a Wizard which requires much more reading, multiple mouse clicks, and so on to install the program? I get people are used to it, but in sheer length of time and steps, drag and drop is far quicker.

I'm not wrong Pete. I've used OS X for years. Most of the time all I had to do was delete one file. Some applications required more work, but most did not, because they were .app bundles.

Yeah, because it's not Windows. Generally all of those files are stuffed into the .app bundle. This is basic OS X stuff, mate.

The bloatware or dealing with someone who has bloatware plus a program like McAfee (which as you know, requires multiple uninstalls). That's great that there's additional programs out there.

I get the impression Pete has never used anything except Windows. His critiques of Linux are similarly clueless -- just basic errors of assumption that anyone who's used Linux for 5 minutes would know aren't true.

Seems he is just as uninformed about how Macs work. Not surprised, really.
 
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I'm not getting into this with you again. It's clear you haven't used Linux in years, or at all. Last time you were complaining about Linux not having Spotify, when it has for the past 3 or 4 years. Then you were complaining about how hard partitioning is, when all you have to do is drag a slider to indicate the percentage of the drive to use when you install. Then you were complaining about Mint having the Unity UI, when Mint has NEVER had the Unity UI.

You change a desktop picture the same way you do in every other OS. Main release Mint is not "buggy." You share files the same way you do in any other OS. I have never had to use the terminal even once in the 5 years I've been using Linux. Even installing it is completely graphical.

I've installed a zillion linux OS'. It's far far far easier to install than windows.
 
Nope, I refuse to spend so much money on an inferior system that cant run the programs and games I want to run and those that it does run.. run them slower than my Windows PC does.

So maybe you should use it more before telling someone who relied on them for their main machine that they are wrong. I have read a lot of Read Me files to find out how the program uninstalls or installs. For the more complicated ones (e.g., Foobar 2000 on Wine) I've done my part to figure out how to get it to work properly.

Because drag and drop is actually quite complicated for the average user.. they dont use it that much. I work with average users every day btw, so I should know a bit about that.. on multiple (but mostly Windows) platforms. For you and me, drag and drop might sound damn simple right? Well most people are use to clicking, not dragging. It takes time to learn that you can actually drag stuff around. My father who has been around computers since the first Osbourne and Apple machines, still after all these years, has difficulty to use drag and drop because it is so rarely used in any program. And he at least knows a considerable amount (relatively speaking) than the average computer user. Even on mobile operating systems, where drag and drop is actually use more.. most people do not use it. What they do use is clicking and more clicking. Hell right clicking on something is just as difficult.. as everyone uses left click so they have no idea that right click does something.

Potentially yes. I've already said I get that people are used to Wizards. However, I have gotten the relatively illiterate person to understand that one drag and drop tends to work for most installs and uninstalls.


As for the uninstall method you are thinking of in OSX, the app bundle thing.. yes it might seem as it is uninstalling everything, but it aint. It does leave lots of files behind. Now Windows is more effective and but it also leaves a few files behind often. No system is perfect.

Many times it does uninstall everything or nearly everything. Unlike in Windows, the remaining fragments are easier to pick out and remove. Yes, Windows also can leave fragments behind and also have external removers for a complete cleaning. Correct, no system is perfect in dealing with this, but I have found OS X to be less complicated most of the time.


Ahh and there you just backtracked. You dont delete one file and you should know that an .app bundle is nothing but a glorified hot link to most of the other files and by deleting that .app file you also delete the related files ... but it also is not anywhere near a real uninstall as there is always left overs in OSX that you have to manually find and delete if you want to get any where near the same effectiveness of Windows uninstall.

I didn't backtrack Pete. I said I typically dragged one file to the trash and deleted it. I also said repeatedly that I rarely had to deal with a more involved uninstall process. That the single .app file had a package within it is a bit beside the point. It doesn't operate as a folder, so it's not as if I can say "I take a single folder and delete it." The user still ends up (a majority of the time) dragging one file and throwing it in the trash to uninstall it. You're still attempting to make it seem like Windows does a better job in the uninstall process when this isn't the case.


McAfee is more than one program, hence there are more than one program to uninstall. Sure they could all bundle it together like an office package, but they choose not too. Some companies do, some do not.

Yes, but it requires multiple uninstalls to get it off the system, hence when I have about 10-15 things to uninstall, I despise having to wait for Windows to slowly get through the process before I can do the next.

And bloatware is hardly only a Windows issue.

No kidding, Pete. I was giving a reason why I would want to delete multiple applications at once.
 
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I get the impression Pete has never used anything except Windows. His critiques of Linux are similarly clueless -- just basic errors of assumption that anyone who's used Linux for 5 minutes would know aren't true.

Seems he is just as uninformed about how Macs work. Not surprised, really.

If anyone in the forum mentions Apple he starts foaming at the mouth. It's become an automatic reflex at this point.
 
Total agree. It's never taken me more than 10 minutes.

The biggest bitch about installing linux is that Flash and other adobe products are a monopoly on their stuff and are also proprietary so it can't come preinstalled on linux. The cool thing is on ubuntu it gives you the option on the install to "download and install third party software" as a part of the install so BAM... that's handled. But you have to check the box. They can't legally precheck it for you because of adobe's proprietary status.
 
The biggest bitch about installing linux is that Flash and other adobe products are a monopoly on their stuff and are also proprietary so it can't come preinstalled on linux. The cool thing is on ubuntu it gives you the option on the install to "download and install third party software" as a part of the install so BAM... that's handled. But you have to check the box. They can't legally precheck it for you because of adobe's proprietary status.

Hmm, it's always come loaded up on Mint for me. Just looked it up, and I'm not dreamin'. It does come pre-installed.

Not sure how they got around that, but it's definitely there.
 
Hmm, it's always come loaded up on Mint for me. Just looked it up, and I'm not dreamin'. It does come pre-installed.

Not sure how they got around that, but it's definitely there.

Well after any install I google "things to do after ubuntu 14.10 install" or whatever version. You get some great things out of that. Always I "install ubuntu restricted extras." This covers all your bases and is in the software center. Doing these things get you all the codecs you could imagine for running whatever kind of video there is or open any kind of file you can imagine.

I like doing it with the terminal. I don't know terminal code but you don't need to. All you need is your password and just use cut and paste. Pasting in a terminal is clicking your mouse wheel though. then hit enter. Simple stuff. In the web pages you googled up it'll have the code you can just cut and paste in there. Makes me feel smart. :lol:

Hey Ma... look at me... I'm in the terminal!
 
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So today I bought a Mac. I have always been a PC guy but I finally had enough of them. I have been through 2 laptop PC's in about 4 years. My fan on my laptop randomly decided to stop working and I threw my hands up in the air and said, "I have had enough!". With my job I always have to have a laptop because most of the time I'm on the go and constantly packing and taking out my laptop. So today I bough a Macbook Pro 13 inch screen. So far I love it and its working amazing. Still trying to get over the learning curve from PC to Mac, but so far enjoying it very much!

I bought mine 6 years ago and it's still going great. I don't play games like some others but I use it for work 8 hours a day 5 days a week. It supports both my business and personal emails and I can watch videos with no lag or at least none that I can notice. I had PC's for years and unless I start having issues like I had with them, I will never have anything other than a Mac.

I am sure you will be happy with it.
 
So instead of buying a $10 fan you bought a $1000 laptop, you are the quintessential apple customer

He must be one of them millennials I keep reading about.

But seriously....it's not just a fan. You then have to pay labor to have it repaired. Even so, I suppose it would've ended up costing $100 - $150? I suppose what he was saying that there was no point, since it would just break again.
 
So today I bought a Mac. I have always been a PC guy but I finally had enough of them. I have been through 2 laptop PC's in about 4 years. My fan on my laptop randomly decided to stop working and I threw my hands up in the air and said, "I have had enough!". With my job I always have to have a laptop because most of the time I'm on the go and constantly packing and taking out my laptop. So today I bough a Macbook Pro 13 inch screen. So far I love it and its working amazing. Still trying to get over the learning curve from PC to Mac, but so far enjoying it very much!

As an Apple stock owner, I say thank you.:comp:
 
Almost all laptops, with the exception of ultrabooks are SSD compatible... but then again most ultrabooks have SSDs else they cant be so small and thin :)

I have installed a few in 4 year old netbooks and man it gave some extra life to these machines.

I cant think of any laptop from the last hmm 10 years, that is not compatible with SSD. As long as they have SATA connectors then they are compatible.

I've dealt with plenty of laptops that were not SSD compatible that were manufactured within the past 10 years. Sometimes it's a cable issue, sometimes it's a housing issue.
 
Dude, what? What are you doing to your computers?

I had a laptop that lasted me 5 years. The thing that broke was actually the power cord connector, and it was entirely my fault. It was a simple fix, but the thing was so old that it just wasn't worth the effort. It was still truckin', but it was a net book from the early days of the form, so the speed was starting to be an issue.

The one I replaced it with is over 3 years old and working well.

My desktop's about 3 years old. I thought it died recently. Turns out I just let it get too dirty inside. A can of air fixed it.

There's crap in the PC market, but everyone knows what it is. Just don't buy those brands. There are some very high-quality PC brands that are pretty inexpensive. Probably a quarter of what you paid for the Mac.

And also, if you want to add another couple years to the useful life of an old PC that's starting to drag, you can throw Linux on it. Yes, a non-geek can totally do this. Installation takes 5 minutes. I am no sort of computer whizz myself, and i've done it many times.

An editor I used to work with loved Macs. I could never understand why. Over the course of the 2 years I worked with her, she went through 5 of the things because they kept breaking from various malfunctioning components, often flawed right from the manufacturer.

I really don't get why you'd spend so much on a Mac when all you need is a fan, and you could have avoided needing the fan by blowing it out once in a while, or not putting it on stuff that doesn't allow the fan to do its job in the first place.

Gave my brother a 10 year old desktop with Linux on it and it just zips along like it's practically new. I've done this a couple of times with older machines. Makes it look like I brought them back to life.
 
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