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I think this is crazy.

Tralfamadore said:
Or the reason one hasn't had the surgery done is because it is extremely expensive if not covered by health insurance.
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Again, an extremely poor reason and sounds like they only want it if someone else pays the freight.
 
PoS said:
Well you make a good argument but I would still consider it elective surgery since the condition isnt life threatening.
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I agree that it is elective. However, I don't consider elective in the same way I consider liposuction, face lifts, or breast implants as elective.
 
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Tralfamadore said:
Sure there are. However, as transgenderism is something one is born with and has no control over, I believe coverage should be given.
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I have no problem with coverage being given. But it should be covered by private insurance that the patient or his/her employer voluntarily pays for himself or herself and, if it is important to do as elective surgery, it is something that obviously would be known well before the person reaches his/her senior years. The taxpayer should not be on the hook for elective surgery of any kind. People with thinning hair or large noses or small breasts had no control over that either. But they should not expect others to fork over the cash to remedy it for them.
 
MaggieD said:
Just the elective ones.
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One should distinguish between medically required surgeries and optional surgeries. Cataract surgery is elective, but medically required. Breast implants are elective and are not medically required.

Medicare covers eye surgeries.
 
Also, just because a surgery is considered elective does not mean it isn't necessary. For example, a biopsy is an elective surgery which determines whether or not someone has a disease. Is it medically necessary? Yes.
 
Redress said:
You think it is crazy that insurance pays for medical procedures? Or just medical procedures you don't want?
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When the one with insurance isn't paying for it but we are, elective surgeries are off the table. This person had more than adequate time to take care of this in their own dime.
 
Tralfamadore said:
An operation that "corrects" a person's transgenderism? 1.) Not possible. 2.) Morally wrong.
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Possible and why is it any more morally wrong than changing one's born gender?
 
Tralfamadore said:
One should distinguish between medically required surgeries and optional surgeries. Cataract surgery is elective, but medically required. Breast implants are elective and are not medically required.

Medicare covers eye surgeries.
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And this gender changing is also not medically necessary just like the breast implants.
 
PoS said:
Well you make a good argument but I would still consider it elective surgery since the condition isnt life threatening.
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What about surgery to reconstruct a bone so that it heals properly. Not a life saving surgery, so elective? And shouldn't be covered?
 
MaggieD said:
So there.

HHS board rules transgender Medicare recipients can seek coverage for sex-change surgery | Fox News
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I don't approve, but I'm not all worked up over it, either. I do get the mental aspects, and those are legit, but it's still an elective non-critical procedure.

As a side note, I have observed over my lifetime that people who do do this are almost never any more happier or satisfied than they were before. There's a lot more going on mentally than adding/subtracting a penis will fix, and we don't fully understand all those mental aspects, nor do we have the knowledge or ability to address them. Maybe someday, but we're not there yet.
 
radcen said:
I don't approve, but I'm not all worked up over it, either. I do get the mental aspects, and those are legit, but it's still an elective non-critical procedure.

As a side note, I have observed over my lifetime that people who do do this are almost never any more happier or satisfied than they were before. There's a lot more going on mentally than adding/subtracting a penis will fix, and we don't fully understand all those mental aspects, nor do we have the knowledge or ability to address them. Maybe someday, but we're not there yet.
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Well, I don't exactly get all worked over it either because how many people, really, are going to have it done under Medicare? It's the principle. I know an awful lot of people, or should say have crossed paths with an awful lot of people. I don't know a single soul who's had transgender surgery. *shrug*
 
MaggieD said:
Just the elective ones.
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How about the ones like in this case where it is prescribed by a doctor for the health of the patient?
 
MaggieD said:
Well, I don't exactly get all worked over it either because how many people, really, are going to have it done under Medicare? It's the principle. I know an awful lot of people, or should say have crossed paths with an awful lot of people. I don't know a single soul who's had transgender surgery. *shrug*
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Wait. You being able to judge what other people's health care should be like is a ****ing principle to you? And you think medical insurance paying for a needed procedure is crazy? Is this bizarro world or something?
 
Redress said:
Wait. You being able to judge what other people's health care should be like is a ****ing principle to you? And you think medical insurance paying for a needed procedure is crazy? Is this bizarro world or something?
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Insurance companies judge what people's health care should be, and often overrule legitimate doctor decisions. Government often does the same thing when they're paying, and a taxpayer is merely an extension of the government. What's your point?
 
Redress said:
How about the ones like in this case where it is prescribed by a doctor for the health of the patient?
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I have a problem with it. 74 years old and suddenly it's medically necessary to have a sex-change operation. I'm not buying it.
 
Redress said:
Wait. You being able to judge what other people's health care should be like is a ****ing principle to you? And you think medical insurance paying for a needed procedure is crazy? Is this bizarro world or something?
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I take issue that it is "a needed procedure" at age 74. Was it bizarro world the day before this ruling? If not, then it isn't today either.
 
MaggieD said:
I have a problem with it. 74 years old and suddenly it's medically necessary to have a sex-change operation. I'm not buying it.
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How long was the person in treatment for the issue? Do you even know? If not, then how do you know it is sudden? In fact, are you privy to the person's medical and psychological history? If not, then who the hell are you to judge whether they should have a medical treatment?
 
Redress said:
How long was the person in treatment for the issue? Do you even know? If not, then how do you know it is sudden? In fact, are you privy to the person's medical and psychological history? If not, then who the hell are you to judge whether they should have a medical treatment?
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I have an opinion. You don't like it? I don't care.
 
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