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Is not vaccinating your children wise....?

I grew up in a poor country and honestly I am shocked how many people take her seriously why does the media hardly if ever report on the thousands of children that die in poor countrys due to lack of vaccinces? honestly she is just inviting once deafeted diseases to a large group of people and that scares me
 
I'd have them vaccinated as well... I don't have kids and probably won't in the future so it's a moot point with me. I can't see how this anti-vaccine movement is catching on I really don't get it. I just saw some story about Ohio State with an outbreak of mumps affecting like 50 kids so far.
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If I were having kids today, I'd get the vaccines which were standard back when my children were young, but probably not all of the vaccines offered today. Imo, we've gone a little overboard with them, and I'm not sure they are all really necessary, especially when some of the childhood illnesses aren't dangerous.
 
No, and those who recklessly spread misinformation about the associated risks are a public health menace.
 
lizzie said:
If I were having kids today, I'd get the vaccines which were standard back when my children were young, but probably not all of the vaccines offered today. Imo, we've gone a little overboard with them, and I'm not sure they are all really necessary, especially when some of the childhood illnesses aren't dangerous.
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And the downside of being thorough is...?
 
Paschendale said:
And the downside of being thorough is...?
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Well, I'm just pretty much of a naturalist in everything I do. I don't use pesticides in my garden, and I don't take antibiotics for a virus. To me, taking vaccines for something which is not dangerous is kind of stupid. It's unnecessary, and it's introducing things into my body in a method which does not occur naturally.
 
Anyone who does not vaccinate their kids is an idiot and is endangering their children and others.
 
Woodman909 said:
Kristin Cavallari Defends Her Anti-Vaccine Stance for Her Children - ABC News

All things considered, If I had children of school age, I would definitely avoid sending them anywhere near THESE kids. I thought most schools required children get proper vaccinations as a pre-req to being admitted? Mine did. Is that not true anymore?
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By the time a child is 18 months old, they've had 24 shots representing 10 different vaccines for God knows how many diseases. From 18 months to 18 years, another 23 shots for God knows what. That sounds absolutely ridiculous to me. And all I have to do is follow the money to figure out how necessary all of them are. There are some that make sense. I like Lizzie's plan.

CDC - Vaccines - Child and Adolescent Immunization Schedules
 
MaggieD said:
By the time a child is 18 months old, they've had 24 shots representing 10 different vaccines for God knows how many diseases. From 18 months to 18 years, another 23 shots for God knows what. That sounds absolutely ridiculous to me. And all I have to do is follow the money to figure out how necessary all of them are. There are some that make sense. I like Lizzie's plan.

CDC - Vaccines - Child and Adolescent Immunization Schedules
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A lot of those are booster shots which are required to keep up immunity. You don't get a booster and you lose that immunity and are susceptible to the disease.
 
I would vaccinate my kids with some but not all as I believe some just aren't worthy of the vaccine, like chicken pox, and btw, I'm one who suffered because of the lack of a chicken pox vax because I got it at 31yo after I sent my kids' down to a neighbor's whose child did have chicken pox just so they'd be exposed early. I didn't realize that I'd never had the chicken pox. Evenso, I think some resistance is best acquired through real contact not vaxes.

However, I have no animosity against those that don't vax if mine are vaxed. What's the point in that? So their kids will/might get sick and mine won't. I know all about the whole herd idea, but since no disease has ever been entirely eradicated and as soon as vaxes aren't used they reappear... what's the point? I'm all for each to his own. I'd protected mine as I saw fit, and they should protect their's as they see fit.
 
instagramsci said:
Anyone who does not vaccinate their kids is an idiot and is endangering their children and others.
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How is this even true? They assume the risk for their kids. But if the other kids got vaccinated then they aren't at risk now are they?
 
Woodman909 said:
Kristin Cavallari Defends Her Anti-Vaccine Stance for Her Children - ABC News

All things considered, If I had children of school age, I would definitely avoid sending them anywhere near THESE kids. I thought most schools required children get proper vaccinations as a pre-req to being admitted? Mine did. Is that not true anymore?
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Couldn't tell you, but I still have kids in public school, and they have to have up to date shot records to be able to attend public school. It's that way in Georgia, where we live now, and it was that way in Alabama when we lived there, and also in New York.
 
Vaccines are our primary weapon against some pretty horrible deseases. Flu shot? No thanks. Measles? Sign me up.
 
austrianecon said:
How is this even true? They assume the risk for their kids. But if the other kids got vaccinated then they aren't at risk now are they?
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What if they aren't? If they weren't born here? If they didn't get adequate medical treatment as infants?
 
Refusing to vaccinate is not wise and poses a public health risk. I've never heard a rational reason behind parents not wanting to vaccinate healthy kids (I'm not talking about kids with conditions where a vaccine may be contraindicated.) Most of the anti-vaccers tend to be the natural freaks that want to cure diseases with herbs and Dr. Oz cures over what science says. They are ill-informed and for some reason want to believe that "big pharma" and the healthcare industry is out to get them and has a goal of injecting poison into kids. No lie, I had a young mother tell me I pose a risk to kids because I vaccinate those of age for them and that I'm deliberately filling their bodies with "disease toxins" and that she's right because she's a mom and I'm not. I'm sorry, but secreting offspring does not mean you have a Ph.D. or any other doctorate and that your opinion is somehow informed.
 
lizzie said:
Well, I'm just pretty much of a naturalist in everything I do. I don't use pesticides in my garden, and I don't take antibiotics for a virus. To me, taking vaccines for something which is not dangerous is kind of stupid. It's unnecessary, and it's introducing things into my body in a method which does not occur naturally.
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To me that seems like not wearing a hat because it's "not that cold outside", but then getting hypothermia because you didn't realize how long you'd be out or that it would get colder. Obviously you shouldn't take antibiotics for a virus, they don't work on viruses. But the method doesn't seem so important. Those diseases are there, and not adequately preparing for them is just asking for trouble. Besides, what is "natural"? Cars aren't. The internet isn't. Eating fruits and vegetables not native to the climate you live in isn't. I don't think "natural" is a terribly good reason to do anything.

MaggieD said:
By the time a child is 18 months old, they've had 24 shots representing 10 different vaccines for God knows how many diseases. From 18 months to 18 years, another 23 shots for God knows what. That sounds absolutely ridiculous to me. And all I have to do is follow the money to figure out how necessary all of them are. There are some that make sense. I like Lizzie's plan.

CDC - Vaccines - Child and Adolescent Immunization Schedules
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Despite your facially blasphemous comments, you also know what diseases are being prevented by these vaccines. They're in your link. Maybe instead of a slogan like "follow the money", you could do a little research and find out exactly what those sicknesses are and how many people they would be killing every year if not for vaccines.

austrianecon said:
How is this even true? They assume the risk for their kids. But if the other kids got vaccinated then they aren't at risk now are they?
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Because the kids who are incubating the viruses in their bodies are giving it a place to breed and mutate, thus overcoming the resistance granted by the vaccine and setting up for an outbreak.
 
Your Star said:
A lot of those are booster shots which are required to keep up immunity. You don't get a booster and you lose that immunity and are susceptible to the disease.
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Not always. I don't get boosters, and all antibody and titre levels are much higher than I even need, probably as a result of actual exposure in some cases.
 
lizzie said:
Not always. I don't get boosters, and all antibody and titre levels are much higher than I even need, probably as a result of actual exposure in some cases.
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For some diseases it is very true; especially so for young children who may not have been exposed to such disease and developed a natural immunity.
 
Paschendale said:
Despite your facially blasphemous comments, you also know what diseases are being prevented by these vaccines. They're in your link. Maybe instead of a slogan like "follow the money", you could do a little research and find out exactly what those sicknesses are and how many people they would be killing every year if not for vaccines.
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Maybe you could do it yourself. It's funny how skeptical many of us are of the pharmaceutical industry . . . how we believe they hide side effects, slant test results and milk their patents for all they're worth . . . setting up new ones when all they've added is Tylenol to a soon-to-expire patented medicine . . . come out with "new and improved" drugs and start pushing them in the marketplace when they are no better than the ones that can now be sold generic. And yet, when it comes to our children, we pump them full of drugs and think nothing of it.

We tell ourselves that autism isn't any more prevalent today than it was 50 years ago . . . it just gets diagnosed easier. ADD, ADHD. Allergies same thing. Fibromyalgia the same. The FDA, who is supposed to protect us, makes big-time mistakes. Look at the lawsuits out there against various drugs in the marketplace...how many have been pulled. Hell, the Salk polio vaccine gave some children polio.

Reporting can be pathetic. My subjective example: Every year, 7-10 days after mom got her flu shot, she got sicker than a dog . . . terrible sore throat, malaise, muscle aches, perfect flu symptoms. Finally, I said, "Stop taking the damned flu shot." She's never been as sick as she was then -- last time she ever had the flu. Her doctor, when she refused to get her flu shot the next year and told him why, entered in her chart that she was allergic to it. Allergic to it? It gave her the flu. Every year.

You'll have to excuse me if I don't have a great deal of confidence in the pharmaceutical industry. I don't hurt anyone with my belief. I don't talk about it much -- in fact, probably never. But the idea of giving so many vaccinations to our children across the board is spooky to me.
 
It's not only unwise, it should be criminal.

Ok, not really criminal, since some kids are allergic to vaccines, and when bunches of other kids who aren't allergic aren't vaccinated, it puts this allergic kids along with kids too young for vaccination at risk for diseases that are all to often lethal.

I believe that parents who opt out of required vaccinations should be opted out of having their children attend any school (ever), prohibit them from taking their kids to parks, playgrounds, amusement parks, theatres and any other place where other children might be infected from the diseases their precious little snowflakes are carrying, and which have caused diseases like polio, measles, whooping cough (that killed 9 infants in California in a single year) to make a resurgence, when they were once on the brink of extinction.

I have no use whatsoever for such parents. But I suppose y'all know that by now.
 
Most people will do whatever they are told to do. Someone wants to stick a needle in their ass they will drop their pants without making any inquiry of what it is or any risks of it.

A 1992 study published in The American Journal of Epidemiology shows that children die at a rate 8 times greater than normal within three days after getting a DPT vaccination.

A preliminary study by the Center for Disease Control (CDC) found children who received the HiB vaccine ... were found to be 5 times more likely to contract the disease than children who had not received the vaccine.

In the New England Journal of Medicine July 1994 issue a study found that over 80% of children under 5 years of age who had contracted whooping cough had been fully vaccinated.

In 1977 Dr Jonas Salk (inventor of the Salk polio vaccine) testified with other scientists that 87% of the polio cases which occurred in the US since 1970 were the by-product of the polio vaccine.

The Sabin oral polio vaccine (OPV) is the only known cause of polio in the us today.

The February 1981 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association found that 90% of obstetricians and 66% of pediatricians refused to take the rubella vaccine.

Vaccination Statistics


Want to get polio? Get vaccinated for it.
 
Summerwind said:
I would vaccinate my kids with some but not all as I believe some just aren't worthy of the vaccine, like chicken pox, and btw, I'm one who suffered because of the lack of a chicken pox vax because I got it at 31yo after I sent my kids' down to a neighbor's whose child did have chicken pox just so they'd be exposed early. I didn't realize that I'd never had the chicken pox. Evenso, I think some resistance is best acquired through real contact not vaxes.

However, I have no animosity against those that don't vax if mine are vaxed. What's the point in that? So their kids will/might get sick and mine won't. I know all about the whole herd idea, but since no disease has ever been entirely eradicated and as soon as vaxes aren't used they reappear... what's the point? I'm all for each to his own. I'd protected mine as I saw fit, and they should protect their's as they see fit.
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People die from chicken pox. Complications of chicken pox include pneumonia, bacterial infection and brain inflammation, among others. And if you suggest that those deaths are too minuscule to be concerned with (I disagree, since every one of those deaths was 100% preventable), let's skip forward to the 1 in 3 adults who have had chicken pox as a child and later in life contract Shingles, which may not kill you, although between the agonizing pain and horrific complications, you'll probably wish you were dead.

All of that is 100% preventable with childhood vaccinations and boosters, until the disease no longer exists.
 
"The chief, if not the sole, cause of the monstrous increase in cancer has been vaccination" - Dr. Robert Bell, once Vice President International Society for Cancer Research at the British Cancer Hospital

ALL the Vaccines Are Contaminated - Every Last One of Them - Salem-News.Com

Or they might recognize that so is Dr. Larry Palevsky, a board certified NY pediatrician, who for ten years routinely gave vaccines to his patients until he noticed them losing eye contact and then began looking into the vaccines he had blindly trusted. He found that they are ALL contaminated with viruses that are so small they can never be removed. He no longer gives any vaccines. He now treats his young patients for autism and other neurologic injuries from vaccines.

Donald W. Scott, the editor of The Journal of Degenerative Diseases and the co-founder of the Common Cause Medical Research Foundation, links vaccines to AIDS (as did Hillerman) and to US bio-weapons research, and says they are contaminated with mycoplasma, a primitive bacteria that takes apart cell walls.

Perhaps the highest scientific authority saying vaccines are contaminated is Garth Nicolson. He is a cell biologist and editor of the Journal of Clinical and Experimental Metastasis, and the Journal of Cellular Biochemistry. He is one of the most cited scientists in the world, having published over 600 medical and scientific peer-reviewed papers, edited over 14 books, and served on the editorial boards of 28 medical and scientific journals. He is not just saying that vaccines are contaminated with mycoplasma but is warning the US that they are.

Nicolson goes further and says that we are all being damaged by them and contracting chronic degenerative diseases that.
That damage translates into lifelong patients(and thus life-long profit) for the pharmaceutical industry making the vaccines and he says doesn't appear to be accidental.
 
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