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Kid with My Little Pony backpack told to leave it at home

Jango said:
Exactly. 'Snitches get stitches or wind up in ditches' IMO,
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What absolute scum! This objection to "snitches" is only promoted by criminals and thugs in my experience. Which are you?
 
Aunt Spiker said:
#1: School should address the bullying issues (suspension, etc)
#2: If the kid isn't brave enough to handle the response that will come from stepping out and being whatever then tell the kid to leave the backpack at home.

That's what I would have done - because #1 will never nip it completely. If you go 'against the flow' and so on you must toughen up. It doesn't matter what it is. Life Lesson: Want to be a trendsetter? Get rugged.

The whole 'but can't we all get along' is great, but not realistic. If you want to be different and do things that most people will dissaprove of you need to understand that requires a hefty dose of 'I don't give a **** - I'll do it anyway.'
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Great post, and it's important to remember that school officials/employees cannot be everywhere. It's an unreasonable expectation to expect the school to be able to "protect" any children 24/7, against things like name-calling.
 
HonestJoe said:
What absolute scum! This objection to "snitches" is only promoted by criminals and thugs in my experience. Which are you?
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That could not be MORE untrue. This is a motto in MANY minority communities.
 
HonestJoe said:
What absolute scum! This objection to "snitches" is only promoted by criminals and thugs in my experience. Which are you?
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He's not saying that's what he believes (I don't think), he's saying that is the prevailing school yard attitude (except for maybe the ditches part). It would be great if telling teacher or parent solved the problem, unfortunately, it usually just makes it worse.
 
ChrisL said:
That could not be MORE untrue. This is a motto in MANY minority communities.
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Communities of criminals and thugs maybe. Remember, the phase isn't "don't snitch", it's "snitches should be beaten and killed". Are you supporting the murder of anyone who reports criminals to the authorities (incidentally, that includes me)?
 
ChrisL said:
And then when your kid gets his/her ass kicked? Then what? Then it's the school's fault?
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If she gets her ass kicked, she needs to learn better self defense than what she already knows and I will enroll her in classes to do so.

Now don't get me wrong, if someone did hit her you best believe I would be up at the school and make sure the kid was punished. It's not the schools fault at all, it's the kids and they need to address that. If they don't I would take it to the next level until something was done.

I was bullied before and I know it sucks and makes you feel lower than **** but the school can only do so much. If you don't defend yourself and stay strong you are only giving the bullies what they want.
 
Jango said:
'Snitches get stitches or wind up in ditches'
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Each to his own but that's hardly a lesson that i would want to instill in a 9 year old child.
 
Superfly said:
How about punishing the bullies instead of the victim? If someone is bullying someone else, PUNISH THEM. Sheesh, all these damn schools are talking about "We are a BULLY FREE ZONE !!11!" and yet when someone is bullied, they sweep it under the rug. If someone is bullying, give them ISS, or take away recess, or something. They have to know that bullying is not OK.
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problem is, most of these kids who are bullies don't give a flying **** about recess or going to ISS. suspend their ass for a couple of days and make momma take off work to deal with them and see how fast momma suddenly becomes interested in making sure her precious little angel behaves at school.
 
HonestJoe said:
Communities of criminals and thugs maybe. Remember, the phase isn't "don't snitch", it's "snitches should be beaten and killed". Are you supporting the murder of anyone who reports criminals to the authorities (incidentally, that includes me)?
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STOP with the accusatory tone. THAT is completely uncalled for. I am stating a fact. That IS the mindset of a LOT of people, thugs or not.
 
OscarB63 said:
problem is, most of these kids who are bullies don't give a flying **** about recess or going to ISS. suspend their ass for a couple of days and make momma take off work to deal with them and see how fast momma suddenly becomes interested in making sure her precious little angel behaves at school.
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And you are wrong. A lot of these kids have parents who don't give a flying rat's butt. Their children run wild. MOST children with behavioral problems in school have behavioral problems at home as well, and that is because they LACK supervision and guidance.
 
americanwoman said:
Which of the many minority communities promote this?
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Many. Watch the series "The First 48." You'll see the trouble the police have just getting people to speak to them in many poor minority communities. They are frightened to death.
 
ChrisL said:
Many. Watch the series "The First 48." You'll see the trouble the police have just getting people to speak to them in many poor minority communities. They are frightened to death.
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I've watched that show alot but I think it's more of the "poor" mindset than "minority".
 
americanwoman said:
If she gets her ass kicked, she needs to learn better self defense than what she already knows and I will enroll her in classes to do so.

Now don't get me wrong, if someone did hit her you best believe I would be up at the school and make sure the kid was punished. It's not the schools fault at all, it's the kids and they need to address that. If they don't I would take it to the next level until something was done.

I was bullied before and I know it sucks and makes you feel lower than **** but the school can only do so much. If you don't defend yourself and stay strong you are only giving the bullies what they want.
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This is true, and that is why (as wrong as it sounds) bullying is actually a "right of passage" so to speak when it comes to children. They naturally lack empathy and are among the cruelest at times. If a child is naturally more timid and prone to being bullied, encouraging him or her to wear a My Little Pony backpack is not doing them any favors.
 
americanwoman said:
I've watched that show alot but I think it's more of the "poor" mindset than "minority".
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Seems to me that this is a prominent mindset in many African American communities. To deny this, is to deny reality.

Stop Snitchin' - CBS News


"Stop snitchin'" is a catchy hip-hop slogan that embodies and encourages this attitude. You can find it on everything from rap music videos to clothing. "Stop snitchin'" once meant "don't tell on others if you're caught committing a crime."

But as CNN's Anderson Cooper reports for 60 Minutes, it has come to mean something much more dangerous: "don't cooperate with the police – no matter who you are."

As a result, police say, witnesses are not coming forward. Murders are going unsolved.

Reluctance to talk to police has always been a problem in poor, predominantly African-American communities, but cops and criminologists say in recent years something has changed: fueled by hip-hop music, promoted by major corporations, what was once a backroom code of silence among criminals, is now being marketed like never before.
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My Little Pony backpacks are considered to be assault backpacks and therefore do not belong in America, so say the liberals! ;)
 
americanwoman said:
I know that, but you said many minority communities without specifying one so I was wondering which other ones did.
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I'm sure this type of thing exists in other minority communities to an extent, but it is most prominent in poor predominantly African American communities.
 
I think telling the victims to "man up" and deal with it is setting a dangerous precedent. Are we going to do that to all victims? Are we going to tell the woman who gets raped that she shouldn't have worn that short skirt? Are we going to tell the guy who got carjacked that he shouldn't have purchased such a desirable car? Are we going to tell people who are robbed at gunpoint that they shouldn't have been carrying cash?
 
It doesn't just happen in minority communities. It can and does happen everwhere.

Teaching children that 'Snitches get stitches or wind up in ditches' is as irresponsible parenting as it gets.
 
Superfly said:
I think telling the victims to "man up" and deal with it is setting a dangerous precedent. Are we going to do that to all victims? Are we going to tell the woman who gets raped that she shouldn't have worn that short skirt? Are we going to tell the guy who got carjacked that he shouldn't have purchased such a desirable car? Are we going to tell people who are robbed at gunpoint that they shouldn't have been carrying cash?
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That's a good point. I can't argue with that, but I still don't think little boys should be encouraged to wear little girls' backpacks or (in some sad instances) wear little girl clothes to school. Children naturally are going to have a hard time "understanding" that and having empathy.
 
Serenity said:
It doesn't just happen in minority communities. It can and does happen everwhere.

Teaching children that 'Snitches get stitches or wind up in ditches' is as irresponsible parenting as it gets.
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As my link shows, it is much more prominent in African American communities.

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The message appears in hip-hop videos, on T-shirts, Web sites, album covers and street murals. Well-known rappers talk about it endlessly on DVDs. It is a simple message heard in African-American communities across the country: don't talk to the police.

"When I was growing up, kids used to talk about snitching…. It never extended as a cultural norm outside of the gangsters," says Geoffrey Canada, a nationally recognized educator and anti-violence advocate. "It was not for regular citizens. It is now a cultural norm that is being preached in poor communities."

Canada has been working with children in Harlem for more than 20 years. He grew up poor in a tough New York neighborhood, but says the message kids are getting today is very different and dangerous.

"People are walking around with shirts. People are going out making, making music. People are saying things that if you're a snitch it's like being an Uncle Tom was when I was growing up," Canada says. "It's like you can't be a black person if you have a set of values that say, 'I will not watch crime happen in my community without getting involved to stop it.'"

"So this slogan, this 'stop snitchin'.' It now extends to rape, robbery, murder, really any crime?" Cooper asks.

"Any crime," Canada says. "It's like we're saying to the criminals, 'You can have our community. Just have our community. Do anything you want, and we will either deal with it ourselves, or we'll simply ignore it.'"
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Sad really that the "thugs" have infiltrated the community so much so that people literally fear for their lives to even report a crime anonymously. If this kind of attitude doesn't change, I don't see the African American community making any great advances. They are just victims of their own children nowadays.
 
ChrisL said:
Many. Watch the series "The First 48." You'll see the trouble the police have just getting people to speak to them in many poor minority communities. They are frightened to death.
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That isn't the "poor minorities" promoting it as a motto, it's the "poor minorities" suffering as victims of the idea promoted by criminals and thugs. This is exactly why the whole idea should be aggressively attacked whenever it's raised.
 
HonestJoe said:
That isn't the "poor minorities" promoting it as a motto, it's the "poor minorities" suffering as victims of the idea promoted by criminals and thugs. This is exactly why the whole idea should be aggressively attacked whenever it's raised.
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Did you read the article and watch the video? You are wrong. They most certainly DO promote it as a motto.
 
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