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Wisconsin teachers jump ship...

rabbitcaebannog said:
When did public schools kick out kids for falling asleep in class?
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AFAIK they don't in private school either. Certainly not the private schools I've researched. Really though, that's where you go when we talk of behavioral expectations?
 
US Conservative said:
THEY DID BETTER BECAUSE THEY ARE ACTING LIKE CHARTER SCHOOLS!!!!!!!

Charter schools in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Structure and characteristics[edit]

There are two principles that guide charter schools.

Operational autonomy[edit]
First is that they will operate as autonomous public schools, through waivers from many of the procedural requirements of district public schools. These waivers do not mean a school is exempt from the same educational standards set by the State or district. Autonomy can be critically important for creating a school culture that maximizes student motivation by emphasizing high expectations, academic rigor, discipline, and relationships with caring adults.

Affirming students, particularly minority students in urban school districts, whose school performance is affected by social phenomena including stereotype threat, acting white, non-dominant cultural capital,[12] and a "code of the street"[13] may require the charter to create a carefully balanced school culture to meet peoples' needs in each unique context. Most teachers, by a 68 percent to 21 percent margin, say schools would be better for students if principals and teachers had more control and flexibility about work rules and school duties.[14]

Accountability for student achievement[edit]
The second is that charter schools are accountable for student achievement. The rules and structure of charter schools depend on state authorizing legislation and differ from state to state. A charter school is authorized to function once it has received a charter, a statutorily defined performance contract detailing the school's mission, program, goals, students served, methods of assessment, and ways to measure success. The length of time for which charters are granted varies, but most are granted for 3–5 years.

Charter schools are held accountable to their sponsor—a local school board, state education agency, university, or other entity—to produce positive academic results and adhere to the charter contract. While this accountability is one of the key arguments in favor of charters, evidence gathered by the United States Department of Education suggests that charter schools are not, in practice, held to higher standards of accountability than traditional public schools. That point can be refuted by examining the number of traditional public schools that have been closed due to students' poor performance on end-of-course/end-of-grade tests. Typically, these schools are allowed to remain open, perhaps with new leadership or restructuring, or perhaps with no change at all. Charter school proponents assert that charter schools are not given the opportunities to restructure often and are simply closed down when students perform poorly on these assessments.[15] As of March 2009, 12.5% of the over 5000 charter schools founded in the United States had closed for reasons including academic, financial, and managerial problems, and occasionally consolidation or district interference.[16]

Many charter schools are created with the original intent of providing a unique and innovative educational experience to its students; one that cannot be matched by the traditional public schools. While some charter schools succeed in this objective, many succumb to the same pressures as their public school brethren. Charter schools are accountable for test scores, state mandates, and other traditional requirements that often have the effect of turning the charter school into a similar model and design as the public schools.[17]

Although the U.S. Department of Education's findings agree with those of the National Education Association (NEA), their study points out the limitations of such studies and the inability to hold constant other important factors, and notes that "study design does not allow us to determine whether or not traditional public schools are more effective than charter schools."[15]
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I'm all for operational autonomy.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
I'm not seeing proof of unreasonable outcomes.
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Of course you don't, you wouldn't even when they stare you in the face. It's systemic with collective bargaining, especially in a non-profit environment. The people at the table are required by law to be unreasonable, to be adversarial. I saw many times in California where the district was in the position financially to offer X but couldn't because that's not how collective bargaining works.
 
Henrin said:
I'm not even going to tell you how full of crap that is. I have no idea how you are defining "regular" classroom, but I don't find what I described as a "regular" classroom.
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I'm not full if crap. The law clearly states it is illegal to pull children into special classes away from their peers unless that child cannot function in the regular education classroom. It is very hard to prove the latter. Documentation needs to be made and it can be fought through the state department if proof is in question.
 
clownboy said:
AFAIK they don't in private school either. Certainly not the private schools I've researched. Really though, that's where you go when we talk of behavioral expectations?
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Where do you want to go? If a child is acting out or acting passively (like falling asleep) public schools have little resource. Private ones can kick them out and send them back to public schools.
 
clownboy said:
Of course you don't, you wouldn't even when they stare you in the face. It's systemic with collective bargaining, especially in a non-profit environment. The people at the table are required by law to be unreasonable, to be adversarial. I saw many times in California where the district was in the position financially to offer X but couldn't because that's not how collective bargaining works.
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Tell me what "x" means? Just one example will do.
 
Sorry. My edit button is freezing. I meant to say, nice job trying to put words in my mouth.
 
US Conservative said:
Same bogus line, used by socialists for a century.

Its not the end of the world-perhaps poor teachers can actually be fired now. Perhaps competition will improve this commodity for the consumer. Perhaps you better get used to it. ;)
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Yes cuz competition with school funding in No Child Left Behind is working "rrreeeaalll wellll".. :roll:
 
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