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Pulling the Trigger: The Influence of Race on Perceived Threat

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There have been many conversations on this board around the topic of racism and its role in the shooting deaths of black youths recently. It started with the Trayvon Martin case and now with Renisha McBride. I have consistently seen an unwillingness to even consider the notion that race was an influence on the outcome in these incidents. (The deaths of these young people)

We all know that how we perceive the world around us is informed by our past; as an individual by our personal history and as a member of society by our collective history. While I understand a reluctance to label someone a racist, we cannot deny the racist history of our country or the influence of that history on our perceptions of people of color. It seems unlikely that this prejudice, so long a part of our collective past, is not a factor in the perceived threat and the decision to pull the trigger in cases like the ones with Trayvon Martin or Renisha McBride.

I found this interview on NPR and felt that the thesis project it discusses ("Context, Race and Danger: The relationship between threat perception and the decision to shoot.") and the discussion around this topic represents this point very well. Here are some of the highlights:

…research focuses on the role of race in engendering a sense of threat - making people feel scared if they're presented with a target who is black rather than white - does that trigger a sense of threat? And the overwhelming conclusion of our work is that yes, it does. It triggers a sense of threat and that can prompt people to respond in a more hostile fashion.

We've run that test with thousands of people at this point. We've run it with white, black, Latino, Asian participants, male, female, young, old. We've run it with just tremendous numbers of people over the last 10 years.

I think that there are real issues in how we see each other. What we have to determine is how we react to what we see and not to react too quickly.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=245967473

Here is some information on the research:

… stereotypes of the “other” as dangerous seem to occupy a special role. In the United States, these stereotypes are frequently applied to Black people — particularly to Black men.

… we find robust evidence of bias, such that participants shoot an armed target more quickly and more frequently when that target is Black (rather than White), but they decide not to shoot an unarmed target more quickly and more frequently when the target is White (rather than Black). In essence, participants are faster and more accurate when targets conform to the cultural stereotype that Blacks are dangerous. Our initial work with this paradigm highlights the fast-acting influence of race on perceptions of threat, leading us to questions about the psychological processes that drive this bias ….

http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/publications/observer/rising/joshua-correll.html


Another contributing factor is the inequities prevalent in our criminal justice system. These inequities generate a disproportionate number of arrests and convictions of black men, and perpetuates the myth that black males especially are more naturally inclined towards violence and crime, which in turn feeds the fear that ends up creating this false sense of danger. The outcome? Innocent people are killed.

Some Interesting articles:

Blacks are Still the Majority of the Wrongfully Convicted http://www.blackvoicenews.com/news/...ill-majority-of-the-wrongfully-convicted.html


"Race corrupts decision making throughout our justice system, from lawmakers through judges, from jurors through witnesses, from police officers through community watch volunteers. Racial stereotypes shape what people perceive, what they remember and what they regard as just—and these biases combine in the aggregate to create massive disparities in our justice system

Young white offenders are more likely to be treated as “just kids”, whereas young blacks are treated as fully culpable adults."

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/its-group-life/201310/race-and-the-injustice-system


We are all responsible for creating and maintaining a safe and just society. If we as white Americans refuse to look at ourselves, then we perpetuate the problem of violence and conflict we see today. We will continue to be a part of the problem. This is not to provide blacks an excuse but rather the presentation of an opportunity to be part of a solution.

Please, at the very least, consider this idea. Consider the possibility that just as we have inherited characteristics from our nations past that we take great pride in, it’s conceivable that we have inherited ways of thinking that are destructive and require some genuine reflection and consideration.
 
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When we must stoop to lumping the intentional shooting of a black male in the process of severely beating someone with the accidental shooting of a black female making random house calls in the middle of the night then something just might be amiss.

I see two different points being made here 1) that blacks (especially males) are universally (even by other blacks) perceived as threats and 2) that mainly whites (alone?) must somehow change that.

I have seen ZERO evidence concerning the MI case under discussion that the gun was retrieved after the race, age or gender of the middle of the night visitor was known. Perhaps analysis of this shooting should wait for either a trial or a plea to decide the issue and for the "evidence" to come out. Comparing an intentional self defense shooting to an accidental discharge shooting (only?) on the basis of the race of the person shot is simply bizarre.
 
When we must stoop to lumping the intentional shooting of a black male in the process of severely beating someone with the accidental shooting of a black female making random house calls in the middle of the night then something just might be amiss.

I see two different points being made here 1) that blacks (especially males) are universally (even by other blacks) perceived as threats and 2) that mainly whites (alone?) must somehow change that.

I have seen ZERO evidence concerning the MI case under discussion that the gun was retrieved after the race, age or gender of the middle of the night visitor was known. Perhaps analysis of this shooting should wait for either a trial or a plea to decide the issue and for the "evidence" to come out. Comparing an intentional self defense shooting to an accidental discharge shooting (only?) on the basis of the race of the person shot is simply bizarre.

While I agree with absolutely everything here I think it points out that race most definitely IS a factor in these shootings....after the fact and by people with a vested interest in making it an issue.
 

When we must stoop to lumping the intentional shooting of a black male in the process of severely beating someone with the accidental shooting of a black female making random house calls in the middle of the night then something just might be amiss.
You miss the point.

I see two different points being made here 1) that blacks (especially males) are universally (even by other blacks) perceived as threats and 2) that mainly whites (alone?) must somehow change that
That's not what I said.

I have seen ZERO evidence concerning the MI case under discussion that the gun was retrieved after the race, age or gender of the middle of the night visitor was known. Perhaps analysis of this shooting should wait for either a trial or a plea to decide the issue and for the "evidence" to come out. Comparing an intentional self defense shooting to an accidental discharge shooting (only?) on the basis of the race of the person shot is simply bizarre.

This is not about the case specifically because it is now in the legal system and will be judged according to the law and the specifics of the case, as it should be. My point is directed towards the larger issue of perceived threat that prompts the reactions by those who perceived themselves as threatened.
 
I know nothing of the McBride case, but sure. It is easier for white people to assume that blacks are more a danger than whites, but you cannot dismiss there is a basis for these perceptions. The black community needs to take ownership of some of the things that go on there that they dismiss as racism to even discuss.
 
I know nothing of the McBride case, but sure. It is easier for white people to assume that blacks are more a danger than whites, but you cannot dismiss there is a basis for these perceptions. The black community needs to take ownership of some of the things that go on there that they dismiss as racism to even discuss.

If you read the OP you will see that I specifically address the notion of this not being an excuse for anyone. I specifically state that we (white america) can contribute to a solution by recognizing something that many of us are hesitant to look at or even consider in ourselves.
 
If you read the OP you will see that I specifically address the notion of this being an excuse for anyone. I am rather, saying that we (white america) can also contribute to a solution by recognizing something that many of us are hesitant to look at or even consider in ourselves.

It still dismisses it. When I see a black female stranger heading my way, I don't think twice about it. When I see an older black stranger heading my way, don't think twice about it. When I see a young black male stranger coming my way, I think about it if it is in a public place where it is likely that something could happen in the setting and they are not wearing a Spongebob Squarepants hoodie. I call it the snake syndrome. No matter how much you tell someone and know that a particular type of snake is not poisonous, when you encounter one, a defensive mechanism still kicks in. Lord only knows how many poor black snakes have been murdered in fear.
 
If you read the OP you will see that I specifically address the notion of this not being an excuse for anyone. I specifically state that we (white america) can contribute to a solution by recognizing something that many of us are hesitant to look at or even consider in ourselves.

What the hell makes you think that "white America" (and you can feel free to capitalize 'America') is all of some kind of homogeneous mindset?
 
When I see a black female stranger heading my way, I don't think twice about it. When I see an older black stranger heading my way, don't think twice about it. When I see a young black male stranger coming my way, I think about it if it is in a public place where it is likely that something could happen in the setting and they are not wearing a Spongebob Squarepants hoodie.

It still dismisses it.
This is a very focused thread and not including it is not the same as dismissing it. It is simply not my focus. That's an assumption you make.


I call it the snake syndrome. No matter how much you tell someone and know that a particular type of snake is not poisonous, when you encounter one, a defensive mechanism still kicks in. Lord only knows how many poor black snakes have been murdered in fear.
The point is, to use your distasteful analogy, many are calling all snakes rattlers and they are your garden variety. As opposed to a yard full of rattlers an innocent garden snake is taken out as collateral damage.
 
What the hell makes you think that "white America" (and you can feel free to capitalize 'America') is all of some kind of homogeneous mindset?

I don't. Obviously I am painting with a broad brush and speaking towards those for whom this applies. Whether or not you are one of them is your call.
 
This is a very focused thread and not including it is not the same as dismissing it. It is simply not my focus. That's an assumption you make.



The point is, to use your distasteful analogy, many are calling all snakes rattlers and they are your garden variety. As opposed to a yard full of rattlers an innocent garden snake is taken out as collateral damage.

No because the black snake is deemed dangerous because it is a snake, not because it is black.
 
I don't. Obviously I am painting with a broad brush and speaking towards those for whom this applies. Whether or not you are one of them is your call.

"we (white America).." seems pretty doggone presumptive to me.

People all perceive threats differently.
 
If all true, the message to blacks should be "You are perceived as dangerous enough to shoot so don't do anything to further that impression."

Instead however, we see almost daily news articles of sickeningly brutal black on white violence. So whites are arming themselves in record numbers in order to protect themselves and their families.

What are you (OP) recommending that whites do instead? Civilized people are always open to suggestion.
 
If you read the OP you will see that I specifically address the notion of this not being an excuse for anyone. I specifically state that we (white america) can contribute to a solution by recognizing something that many of us are hesitant to look at or even consider in ourselves.

It is still basically a chicken and egg situation. As was mentioned by another poster; even though only 4 species of snakes (in the US) are poisonous many people still are still taken aback by any snake sighting. When black males are not far and above the most prevalent among crime perps then progress may gradually begin to occur. People also exhibit fear of pit bulls and sharks yet one can argue (correctly, but to little avail) that most pit bulls and sharks never bite anyone.
 
"we (white America).." seems pretty doggone presumptive to me.

People all perceive threats differently.

We all know that in discussions where you are addressing issues of this scale we tend to lump people in different groups together.

And yes, we do all perceive threats differently. But if we are given the power to shoot someone based on nothing more then that perception we must be responsible. What if I was robbed by a bald guy so I perceived every bald guy and a threat. One shows up at my door in the middle of the night because his car broke down and I shoot him in the face because I perceive him as a threat. My feel and my perceived threat are completely legitimate in my own mind. Is that really sound?
 
It is still basically a chicken and egg situation. As was mentioned by another poster; even though only 4 species of snakes (in the US) are poisonous many people still are still taken aback by any snake sighting. When black males are not far and above the most prevalent among crime perps then progress may gradually begin to occur. People also exhibit fear of pit bulls and sharks yet one can argue (correctly, but to little avail) that most pit bulls or sharks never bite anyone.

That's why we use reason be irrational fear.

If you look at the inequities in our legal system, as I posted in the OP, you can see how those numbers you use to justify your fear are based in a system that disproportionately arrests and incarcerates black men.
 
If all true, the message to blacks should be "You are perceived as dangerous enough to shoot so don't do anything to further that impression."

Instead however, we see almost daily news articles of sickeningly brutal black on white violence. So whites are arming themselves in record numbers in order to protect themselves and their families.

What are you (OP) recommending that whites do instead? Civilized people are always open to suggestion.

That is the rub of it. Little People freak me the eff out. I can't help it. My worst nightmare was in NYC and an elevator door opened and a legion of Little People came spilling out of it all around me. That is an irrational fear. Black males don't have much going their way statistically which makes the perception at least somewhat rational. We then each according to our experiences whittle the risk down or not. Women, older people, Nation of Islam folks, blacks in coat and ties don't bother me, but that is because life experiences/reason tell me the odds/probabilities of needing to be concerned for my safety among them are infinitesimally low. I am reasonable, but I am not stupid.
 
We all know that in discussions where you are addressing issues of this scale we tend to lump people in different groups together.

And yes, we do all perceive threats differently. But if we are given the power to shoot someone based on nothing more then that perception we must be responsible. What if I was robbed by a bald guy so I perceived every bald guy and a threat. One shows up at my door in the middle of the night because his car broke down and I shoot him in the face because I perceive him as a threat. My feel and my perceived threat are completely legitimate in my own mind. Is that really sound?

We already have a term for people that kill because someone is female or blonde or 5'2" with eyes of blue. It's called "psycho killer" and it's a neurosis.
 
If all true, the message to blacks should be "You are perceived as dangerous enough to shoot so don't do anything to further that impression."

Instead however, we see almost daily news articles of sickeningly brutal black on white violence. So whites are arming themselves in record numbers in order to protect themselves and their families.

What are you (OP) recommending that whites do instead? Civilized people are always open to suggestion.


Begin with accepting the possibility that there is some truth in it.
 
That's why we use reason be irrational fear.

If you look at the inequities in our legal system, as I posted in the OP, you can see how those numbers you use to justify your fear are based in a system that disproportionately arrests and incarcerates black men.

OK, when sharks and pit bulls are no longer suspected as being vicious then neither will be young black males as we will have learned to allow reason to prevail. ;)
 
OK, when sharks and pit bulls are no longer suspected as being vicious then neither will be young black males as we will have learned to allow reason to prevail. ;)

Your sincere efforts at even the tiniest effort towards introspection and self reflection are duly noted.
 
When you hear a story of a guy sucker punching random strangers in the street, what color is the perpetrator normally?
When you hear a story of kids going in and enmass shoplifting spree in the tens of people at a time what color are they normally?
I know the answer.
Until you change it the normal response will be to be more afraid of black people than of white people.
 
I have consistently seen an unwillingness to even consider the notion that race was an influence on the outcome in these incidents. (The deaths of these young people)

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and I have seen an equal number of people who deny that it exists the other way around.

I seem to be in a distinct minority, in fact, because I do not deny either.
 
That is the rub of it. Little People freak me the eff out. I can't help it. My worst nightmare was in NYC and an elevator door opened and a legion of Little People came spilling out of it all around me. That is an irrational fear. Black males don't have much going their way statistically which makes the perception at least somewhat rational. We then each according to our experiences whittle the risk down or not. Women, older people, Nation of Islam folks, blacks in coat and ties don't bother me, but that is because life experiences/reason tell me the odds/probabilities of needing to be concerned for my safety among them are infinitesimally low. I am reasonable, but I am not stupid.

That's the point. Question your reasoning because it may very well be based on untruths.
 
That's the point. Question your reasoning because it may very well be based on untruths.

And question your own because overpolicing does not make a criminal really innocent
 
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