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The Duggars Announce They Are Expecting Their 20th Child

SmokeAndMirrors said:
Nope. The reason they chose "J" is because that's the first letter of Jim Bob's name. And Jim Bob is an insanely controlling and patriarchal man who would probably be a cult leader if he weren't essentially breeding his own cult..
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You just made that up, didn't you?

You're incorrect:

 
molten_dragon said:
What other family were we talking about?



Not wanting kids to be neglected makes me prejudiced? Are you actually reading the crap you're posting Vance?



I KNOW that they have 19 kids (and a 20th on the way despite the fact that number 19 almost died) when taking care of a couple is hard enough.

I KNOW that they're not giving any of those kids enough individual attention (simple math tells me that).

I KNOW that their TV show shows definite warning signs that the kids are being neglected by the parents.

I KNOW that their TV show shows that the older kids spend more time taking care of the little ones than the parents do.

What I really don't KNOW is why you insist on defending their neglect.
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You KNOW these kids are being ignored? You know these kids are neglected?
 
In addition to not paying federal taxes, I've heard (though do not know) they don't pay property tax through fact of having a "church" on their property. Don't know if that's true, but it ain't outside the realm of plausibility.
 
VanceMack said:
This family appears to be far less a drain on society than a whole lot of single parent, single children families.
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There you go thinking about everything in relation to capitalism. Also, how do you know they aren't on the dole? From what I understand, they enjoy tax exempt status on their home and I am sure 19 children adds up to a pretty nice little deduction from. Are we aware whether they use WIC or not? I am not. That is not what I am "judging" them about. The job of placing economic blame on people is more of your realm, not mine.

I only find it offensive that they are so selfish in having that many children.

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By the way, they chose to create a website, they chose to go on TV and make themselves public domain. Quit acting like they don't deserve judgment just like any other celebrity who chooses to live in the limelight.
 
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whysoserious said:
There you go thinking about everything in relation to capitalism. Also, how do you know they aren't on the dole? From what I understand, they enjoy tax exempt status on their home and I am sure 19 children adds up to a pretty nice little deduction from. Are we aware whether they use WIC or not? I am not. That is not what I am "judging" them about. The job of placing economic blame on people is more of your realm, not mine.

I only find it offensive that they are so selfish in having that many children.
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Damn them for having and raising a healthy family!!!
 
VanceMack said:
Damn them for having and raising a healthy family!!!
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Man, you and Josie should form a debate team. You could storm the country with logical fallacies, straw men, and one-line responses. Thanks for your input.
 
Josie said:
You just made that up, didn't you?

You're incorrect:
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You'll believe just about anything you see on TV, won't you.

Listen to them. These answers are scripted. Whether they're true or not becomes completely undecipherable because of that. And if you were a producer, would you let someone say that?
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
You'll believe just about anything you see on TV, won't you.

Listen to them. These answers are scripted. Whether they're true or not becomes completely undecipherable because of that. And if you were a producer, would you let someone say that?
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So you did make it up. Gotcha.
 
whysoserious said:
Man, you and Josie should form a debate team. You could storm the country with logical fallacies, straw men, and one-line responses. Thanks for your input.
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Thanks! Thats not a bad idea.
 
Josie said:
Of course it's edited. It's a TV show.
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well there you go. Why didn't you just say so? And yet you completely refuse to acknowledge the fact that it could be scripted. Their house is always immaculate. Then it shows them cleaning for a few seconds- and people fall for that. They have an entire team of maids working behind the scenes. Guaranteed. It's hard enough to clean up after two kids let alone that many. It's simply not feasible for them to do all of that on their own. They are getting help, and the tv show IS scripted.
 
Josie said:
Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar announce they're having twentieth child - Reality TV World

I really enjoy this family, but good grief.....that's enough kids!
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evanescence said:
well there you go. Why didn't you just say so? And yet you completely refuse to acknowledge the fact that it could be scripted. Their house is always immaculate. Then it shows them cleaning for a few seconds- and people fall for that. They have an entire team of maids working behind the scenes. Guaranteed. It's hard enough to clean up after two kids let alone that many. It's simply not feasible for them to do all of that on their own. They are getting help, and the tv show IS scripted.
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No, I don't believe it's scripted because it would be damn near impossible to get 19 kids and 2 adults to pretend to be what they aren't. Do you have any sort of proof that it's scripted or is that just an opinion?

So what if they have people helping them clean? LOL!
 
Josie said:
You just made that up, didn't you?

You're incorrect:
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1:27 - Mom talks about the fact that the 4 older girls are away from the house and she's having trouble making do without them. That sparks some alarm bells.

~3:00 They talk about the fact that mom had a miscarriage and out of the grief of that came their reasoning for having 19 more kids. There are clearly some issues here. The little box at the bottom left of the screen mentions that they run their own church out of their living room. I'm starting to suspect the earlier comment about them being a cult might have a little weight.

5:55 dad talks about the fact that taking care of 5 kids was a chore. Now they have 19. Give that a little thought.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Your gullibility is astounding.
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Okay, Michelle is really a street walker when the cameras stop rolling, JimBob screams racist comments to his neighbors and the kids are all having sex with each other.

Does that make you feel better?
 
molten_dragon said:
Not what I said, go back and read carefully.
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I saw what you said and everything you say is an assumption, based on bias. All those things you describe as warning signs...single parent families...families with only 1 child do the exact same thing. Single parents FREQUENTLY rely on the older children to look after the younger. Its just not that uncommon. By all accounts, this is a HAPPY family. Is THAT what pisses you off so much??? A large religious based family that is actually HAPPY?
 
VanceMack said:
All those things you describe as warning signs...single parent families...families with only 1 child do the exact same thing.
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This is at least the 3rd time you've brought this up. Why do you think that this excuses the Duggars' behavior? I would say that the same behaviors were warning signs of neglect in a family with only a couple kids.
 
I will say straight up that I haven't read this thread and I'm not going to.

Who gives a fat rat's ass that the Druggers are going to have another child? I have no idea who the Druggers are, but apparently they are important to the same people who find Kim Kardashian newsworthy.

Lord help me that I never get involved in this dumbassery.
 
Josie said:
Okay, Michelle is really a street walker when the cameras stop rolling, JimBob screams racist comments to his neighbors and the kids are all having sex with each other.

Does that make you feel better?
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Nope. What would make me feel better is if someone had the conscience to turn off the camera and stop screwing these kids up even worse than they already are.
 
VanceMack said:
I saw what you said and everything you say is an assumption, based on bias. All those things you describe as warning signs...single parent families...families with only 1 child do the exact same thing. Single parents FREQUENTLY rely on the older children to look after the younger. Its just not that uncommon. By all accounts, this is a HAPPY family. Is THAT what pisses you off so much??? A large religious based family that is actually HAPPY?
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It's a conspiracy theory. The REAL Duggars aren't what we see on the TV.

It's almost as if we are so accustomed to seeing dysfunctional families that it's improbable that there's a family still out there that actually treats each other well, spends time together (and ENJOYS it) and isn't screaming at the top of their lungs how much they hate one another. If we had more people like the Duggars in this country, we'd be better off.
 
Josie said:
Okay, Michelle is really a street walker when the cameras stop rolling, JimBob screams racist comments to his neighbors and the kids are all having sex with each other.

Does that make you feel better?
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:lamo the hyperbole is amusing. Why are people getting their panties in a wod over this silly ****?

And yes, Josie, it is scripted. And Little House on A Prairie is a fairy tale story.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Nope. What would make me feel better is if someone had the conscience to turn off the camera and stop screwing these kids up even worse than they already are.
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Please show me evidence that they are "screwed up". Or are you going to make that up too?
 
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