Obamacare popularity hits new low

SlevinKelevra said:

No, I'm simply pointing out that the idea that you're paying for someone else's healthcare is misguided--- because you have always been paying for someone else's healthcare (if you bought insurance, that is). to ignore THAT, is what is being obtuse. It's like how the word "socialism" has been coopted and redefined in the modern media to mean "transfer payments".

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It is not misguided because it became cumulative. And you are being very obtuse about this.

On top of being in an insurance pool which has its own issues I am now paying additional rates for those who obtain a subsidy. To pay for all of this ACA has a series of tax increases throughout the text. You can pretend all of that they do not exist, but they do. It is all still cumulative for those of us in an existing pool with better than 10% increases to pay for all ACA does on top of being effected by these taxes. ACA does what liberals love best, take from whom they want to take from and give it to whom politically supports them. ACA is the largest expansion of entitlement of our generation and no matter how well you try to blend insurance pools with subsidies the net effect is some pay more so others pay less. Fact.

SlevinKelevra said:

Disagree. Until I see a poll that asks 'would you prefer to go back to healthcare insurance system in america preACA?', or a poll that excludes disapproval from those who will only be happy with single payer (hence disapprove of the ACA for not being "big enough government"), I'm not buying into general "approval" data.

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Well of course you would.

Everyone on the losing side of the debate wants the text of these polls engineered to give the response they want. I am sure that if you asked a question the right way on some of the things ACA did you would get overwhelming support. However, as a whole as it has been implemented with costs realized there is overwhelming lack of support for ACA as it stands.

Did you really look at that link? It is very compelling.

clownboy said:

What a joke.



Ask them again when they have paid full premiums for a year.

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I'd give good reviews to my Obamacare insurance too if I had nothing before it, and the taxpayers were paying for it for me. What's not to like?

OrphanSlug said:

Obamacare popularity has no where to go but down. Too much is now being realized in plan cost increases, shuffling of available doctors, private plan drops, compliant vs. non-compliant plans, employer plan changes, of course the taxes and other complications associated with this legislation nightmare.

"We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it." - A smiling ultra arrogant we know what is best for you Nancy Pelosi.

Well, we now do. And fewer are happy with the outcome.

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Mornin OS. :2wave: What was really good to see.....was how the Independents polled with BO care.


The legislation continues to receive a lack of support from independent voters, of which only 33 percent approval of the law. Independents have never been particularly positive toward the law, with approval ranging between 31% and 41%. Currently, 33% of independents approve.

So how do Americans want Obamacare handled moving forward? Repeal? Full repeal? According to a recent survey from McLaughlin & Associates, 60 percent of voters would support full repeal of the law.....snip~

Gallup: Obamacare Approval Sitting at Just 37 Percent, 33 Among Independents - Katie Pavlich

MMC said:

Mornin OS. :2wave: What was really good to see.....was how the Independents polled with BO care.


The legislation continues to receive a lack of support from independent voters, of which only 33 percent approval of the law. Independents have never been particularly positive toward the law, with approval ranging between 31% and 41%. Currently, 33% of independents approve.

So how do Americans want Obamacare handled moving forward? Repeal? Full repeal? According to a recent survey from McLaughlin & Associates, 60 percent of voters would support full repeal of the law.....snip~

Gallup: Obamacare Approval Sitting at Just 37 Percent, 33 Among Independents - Katie Pavlich

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ACA is too far entrenched into the system now to outright repeal. The healthcare industry, health insurance industry, and pharmaceuticals industry specifically have been forced to adapt already with plenty of consequences already realized. Odds are ACA will have to be replaced or dismantled by piece else we might cause another series of consequences.

OrphanSlug said:

ACA is too far entrenched into the system now to outright repeal. The healthcare industry, health insurance industry, and pharmaceuticals industry specifically have been forced to adapt already with plenty of consequences already realized. Odds are ACA will have to be replaced or dismantled by piece else we might cause another series of consequences.

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Not really......and SCOTUS can derail the whole package. Now with Grubinations Leading to Gruber Gate, which caused BO to come out and Outright lie to Everybody. There is even more of a chance.

There is a plan to replace and protect people. We wont see it until after the next 6 months. But one thing is for certain. BO peep will need more ink for his pen.

MMC said:

Not really......and SCOTUS can derail the whole package. Now with Grubinations Leading to Gruber Gate, which caused BO to come out and Outright lie to Everybody. There is even more of a chance.

There is a plan to replace and protect people. We wont see it until after the next 6 months. But one thing is for certain. BO peep will need more ink for his pen.

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Not quite what I am saying. I agree, SCOTUS can derail the whole package but I suspect they will not. I was more speaking about what should be done now, and I have strong concerns about an outright repeal assuming Republicans ever try it legislatively. That has no prayer of happening within the next 2 years, during which other parts of ACA also become realized.

cpwill said:

And that's before Republicans start sending up the one-offs; ending the tax on medical devices, ending the individual mandate, etc.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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Before the Dems shoved the bill through, the people by majority didn't want it. Nothing has changed except the majority against it continues to grow.
Ending the medical device tax has support across the aisle. Obama will be pressured by his own party to sign that one. The delays on the individual mandate Obama achieved by EO, appears to be headed to court. Yesterday it was in the news that Professor Turley of George Washington has been tapped to represent the House and according to Turley's blog very pleased to take the role as lead counsel even though other law firms prior to him withdrew due to political pressure.
House Republicans Hire Jonathan Turley to Pursue Obama Lawsuit - Washington Wire - WSJ
But the lawsuit set to be heard this Spring by the Supremes over the "tortured language" in Obamacare that doesn't permit states without market places to receive federal subsides for low income, then Obamacare crumbles regardless.

vesper said:

Before the Dems shoved the bill through, the people by majority didn't want it. Nothing has changed except the majority against it continues to grow.
Ending the medical device tax has support across the aisle. Obama will be pressured by his own party to sign that one. The delays on the individual mandate Obama achieved by EO, appears to be headed to court. Yesterday it was in the news that Professor Turley of George Washington has been tapped to represent the House and according to Turley's blog very pleased to take the role as lead counsel even though other law firms prior to him withdrew due to political pressure.
House Republicans Hire Jonathan Turley to Pursue Obama Lawsuit - Washington Wire - WSJ
But the lawsuit set to be heard this Spring by the Supremes over the "tortured language" in Obamacare that doesn't permit states without market places to receive federal subsides for low income, then Obamacare crumbles regardless.

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Isnt this just great V .....a top Liberal Attorney is going to be the one to take it to BO. With all that Turley has stated publicly. BO and his team know now.....they are in for a fight.

Oh, and even after the next few weeks.....that won't be the end of the Grubinations.


Liberal intentions vs Liberal Accusations. .....

OrphanSlug said:

Not quite what I am saying. I agree, SCOTUS can derail the whole package but I suspect they will not. I was more speaking about what should be done now, and I have strong concerns about an outright repeal assuming Republicans ever try it legislatively. That has no prayer of happening within the next 2 years, during which other parts of ACA also become realized.

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Full repeal comes with the Repub President in 2016.

In the meantime the plan is to whittle it down.....going after the Medical Device Tax BO will take a major hit with it. (money-wise) As Reid and the Demos already held their symbolic vote over it. With over 2/3rds of the Demos in favor of repealing it. Also to come up with a plan to replace it. As they already had Demos talking about Replace certain parts.

They would look like clowns to not pass it after their media coverage the first time round.

MMC said:

Isnt this just great V

.....a top Liberal Attorney is going to be the one to take it to BO. With all that Turley has stated publicly. BO and his team know now.....they are in for a fight.

Oh, and even after the next few weeks.....that won't be the end of the Grubinations.


Liberal intentions vs Liberal Accusations.

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Yes it is simply fabulous. Save me so popcorn!

eohrnberger said:

The only way to 'properly' rate that satisfaction with ObamaCare is to eliminate those that aren't happy with it? :lamo

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Uh, no....those not participating.