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There've been rumblings for a while now that the exchanges were going to get even more competitive this year, with new insurers entering markets (e.g., "Insurers see brighter Obamacare skies," "Insurers Joining More Obamacare Exchanges for Next Year," "Insurers Once on the Fence Plan to Join Health Exchanges in ’15"). That's been true in states from Ohio to Virginia to Washington to Indiana. But that will be most important in states that had limited options this year.

Like New Hampshire, which was one of only two states to have only a single insurer participating in its exchange.

More insurers to join NH exchange
CONCORD — New Hampshire residents shopping for health insurance at the Obamacare exchange on healthcare.gov will have at least five companies to choose from for coverage in 2015, compared to only one company this year.

Anthem was the sole company to offer health insurance packages on the exchange when it opened in October for coverage starting in January 2014. Since then, Minuteman Health and Harvard-Pilgrim Health Care, both based in Massachusetts, have indicated that they will be offering products for coverage starting in January 2015.

The state Insurance Department announced on Monday that two other companies plan to offer products to New Hampshire consumers — Maine Community Health Options and Assurant Health. Both announced plans to offer the broadest possible provider network. Anthem’s narrow network has been criticized for excluding too many of the state’s hospitals. Maine Community Health Options, established in 2011 in Lewiston, Maine, plans to introduce its products in four New Hampshire counties at first — Rockingham, Strafford, Carroll and Coos — with plans to expand later in the year.

Assurant Health, headquartered in Milwaukee, Wis., has been in business since 1892. The company was already licensed in 41 states, including New Hampshire, but did not offer plans on the New Hampshire exchange this year.

“New Hampshire residents have asked for options,” said New Hampshire Insurance Commissioner Roger Sevigny. “In 2015, they will have five insurance companies to choose from, as well as a variety of plans and networks. It’s all about choice — choice of carriers, choice of plans, and choice of provider networks. Choice is good for consumers and good for competition.”

They'll have not one but two co-ops competing in their marketplace, including Maine's very successful co-op (which took about four-fifths of the market share from Anthem in Maine this year).
 
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lol all the insurance offers in the world doesn't do a bit of good if the doctors and hospitals in the area doesn't accept them.

so unless these insurance companies are going to pay more than what antham is trying to pay (which means higher premiums) there is no reason for
doctors or hospitals to accept their plans either.
 
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There've been rumblings for a while now that the exchanges were going to get even more competitive this year, with new insurers entering markets (e.g., "Insurers see brighter Obamacare skies," "Insurers Joining More Obamacare Exchanges for Next Year," "Insurers Once on the Fence Plan to Join Health Exchanges in ’15"). That's been true in states from Ohio to Virginia to Washington to Indiana. But that will be most important in states that had limited options this year.

Like New Hampshire, which was one of only two states to have only a single insurer participating in its exchange.

More insurers to join NH exchange


They'll have not one but two co-ops competing in their marketplace, including Maine's very successful co-op (which took about four-fifths of the market share from Anthem in Maine this year).

That's good for NH. But... I don't see how this could be the least unexpected. NH chased out all the insurance companies by making it impossible for them to make money.. You then whoop it up when companies come back due to other reforms creating requirements that people purchase your product.
 
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Jeanne Shaheen & Maggie Hassan had no choice but to allow more insurers on the Exchange. They both want to keep their jobs.
 
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Not to mention the deep pockets of Uncle Sugar waiting to bail out the failures.

The United States Health Insurance market is starting to behave a lot like Broadway does in THE PRODUCERS.
 
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so unless these insurance companies are going to pay more than what antham is trying to pay (which means higher premiums) there is no reason for
doctors or hospitals to accept their plans either.

Perhaps, perhaps not. New Hampshire's premiums were below the national average this year (their average silver plan there was almost 10% cheaper than the national average for a silver plan, and something like 19% cheaper when it comes to the bronze tier). If you're correct that Anthem's network is already offering the lowest possible premiums, then the worst case scenario is simply that consumers have more options next year, including the option to pay more for a wider network or similar rates for the same or a comparable provider network.

The question is how smart Anthem was about designing its network this year. Does the narrowness of their New Hampshire network result in greater value? With no competition last year, it's entirely possibly they were a bit sloppy and didn't do a particularly good job balancing network size with costs. In other words, could they have (or could other insurers) have gotten more for less or a comparable amount?

Several hospital executives left out of the network said Anthem, a for-profit Blue Cross Blue Shield subsidiary of Wellpoint, never approached them about being included at a lower rate. They said they would have accepted.

“Anthem did not negotiate with us, did not even contact us. They basically red-lined us on their own,” said Charles White, chief administrative officer of Upper Connecticut Valley Hospital, which serves the northern part of Coos County. The county has the worst health outcomes in the state because of high rates of smoking, teen pregnancy, alcoholism, and obesity.

That's part of the value of having competitors. Innovations in benefit and network design become more apt to promote value when consumers have competing options to choose from and insurers have to stay sharp to gain or maintain market share.

As the article also notes, Anthem also offered a narrow network in Maine, while its sole competitor there, the co-op Maine Community Health Options, offered a broader network. (Maine's market will expand next year to include at least one more competitor, Harvard Pilgrim.)

Anthem has also narrowed its hospital network in southern Maine, reducing premiums by 12 percent, but consumers there may choose a second insurance carrier in the marketplace [the co-op] that includes all hospitals.

Yet there was no appreciable differential in their premiums and the co-op ended up scooping up 80% of the Maine market despite not existing a year prior; the co-op's success is in fact the reason it's not able to begin expanding beyond Maine to sell plans in the New Hampshire marketplace next year.

Rates [for 2014] were similar between Anthem and the Maine co-op, according to Maine Bureau of Insurance filings.

In other words, assuming the co-op (or any of the other new entrants to New Hampshire's marketplace) can't offer a broader network at comparable prices gives 1) the new competitors too little credit, and 2) Anthem too much credit, given it faced no competitive pressures last year. It's possible that's the case and Anthem is already doing as well as any insurer could, but ensuring it's true--not to mention giving people more options--is the point of competition. Which New Hampshire's marketplace will have lots of next year. As their insurance commissioner noted, they'll have more choices of carriers, plans, and networks next year, no doubt spanning a range of premiums.

That's good for NH. But... I don't see how this could be the least unexpected.

It's not unexpected. The marketplaces are expected to continue adding consumers and sellers as they ramp up over the first couple years. These markets have been built from the group up and they're going to continue evolving and improving as time goes on. New Hampshire's just a particularly poignant example. They're certainly not unique in getting more competitive in Year 2.
 
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That's good for NH. But... I don't see how this could be the least unexpected. NH chased out all the insurance companies by making it impossible for them to make money.. You then whoop it up when companies come back due to other reforms creating requirements that people purchase your product.

i know it is the irony of all ironies.

still doesn't work if hospitals and doctors won't take it.
i don't see them working for less money than they are now which is why a lot of them are not taking all these new medicaid patients and even dropping old ones.
it simply isn't worth the hassle. the cost is to great vs what they get.

sometimes they spend more money trying to get paid than they do treating the patient.
 
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They'll have not one but two co-ops competing in their marketplace, including Maine's very successful co-op (which took about four-fifths of the market share from Anthem in Maine this year).

I was reading an article that made a small mention of the government loans to the cop-ops, which caused me to start searching.. which lead to an HHS projection that 36% of these loans are expected to default (over 1 billion dollars). Then I continued searching, to find that alot of these co-ops have huge numbers of complaints by their policy owners - higher than the typical insurance company (including larger than normal premium hikes in later years). The tax free government loans have a 5 year window, we'll have to see what happens with these co-ops over that time, but I'm not too optimistic based on what I've been reading.
 
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I was reading an article that made a small mention of the government loans to the cop-ops, which caused me to start searching.. which lead to an HHS projection that 36% of these loans are expected to default (over 1 billion dollars). Then I continued searching, to find that alot of these co-ops have huge numbers of complaints by their policy owners - higher than the typical insurance company (including larger than normal premium hikes in later years). The tax free government loans have a 5 year window, we'll have to see what happens with these co-ops over that time, but I'm not too optimistic based on what I've been reading.

classic buck "I seem to recall" "if memory serves" " my best guess". Here's a crazy idea, instead of your usual and convenient "supposin" why not make a statement and back it up.
 
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Jeanne Shaheen & Maggie Hassan had no choice but to allow more insurers on the Exchange. They both want to keep their jobs.

good job exposing Jeanne and Maggie trying to prevent more insurers. One question though, what is your point exactly? and please back up any point you make. I don't trust your imagination as much as you do.
 
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classic buck "I seem to recall" "if memory serves" " my best guess". Here's a crazy idea, instead of your usual and convenient "supposin" why not make a statement and back it up.

I'll tell you what.. When you catch up to the amount of cites I have posted (I'ts probably 100 to 1 against you by now).. I'll start worrying about your opinion on what I back up.

You can easily search and confirm what I indicated.. I suspect you won't want to, though.
 
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I'll tell you what.. When you catch up to the amount of cites I have posted (I'ts probably 100 to 1 against you by now).. I'll start worrying about your opinion on what I back up.

You can easily search and confirm what I indicated.. I suspect you won't want to, though.

so you dont have to back up what you post because you imagine you back up what you post? anyhoo, if you're going to whine and deflect every time you are asked to back up a point then why are you at a debate forum?
 
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so you dont have to back up what you post because you imagine you back up what you post? anyhoo, if you're going to whine and deflect every time you are asked to back up a point then why are you at a debate forum?

No.. What I am saying is I back up far more of what I post than you do. So seeing you whine about someone not backing something up is funny.
 
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good job exposing Jeanne and Maggie trying to prevent more insurers. One question though, what is your point exactly? and please back up any point you make. I don't trust your imagination as much as you do.

Shaheen & Hassan were trying to prevent more insurers? Where did you read that?
 
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No.. What I am saying is I back up far more of what I post than you do. So seeing you whine about someone not backing something up is funny.

more classic buck. see how he continues to try to shift the focus away from his vague and unsubstantiated post. But alas, clear, straightforward, honest and intelligent posts don’t help the conservative agenda so he has to be vague. And that’s why he whines and cries when someone makes the perfectly reasonable request for him to back up his point. Can someone tell him it’s a debate forum and his excuses and whining are more suitable for a chat room.


Shaheen & Hassan were trying to prevent more insurers? Where did you read that?

oh tres, your “confusion” is exactly why you should stop posting at a debate forum. If you cant understand your own posts, why are you here? I asked you to explain your original post in this thread. Here it is again. And again, what is your point?

Jeanne Shaheen & Maggie Hassan had no choice but to allow more insurers on the Exchange. They both want to keep their jobs.
 
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more classic buck. see how he continues to try to shift the focus away from his vague and unsubstantiated post.

Yes, 36% expected to not pay back federal loans. Very vague. :roll:
 
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more classic buck. see how he continues to try to shift the focus away from his vague and unsubstantiated post. But alas, clear, straightforward, honest and intelligent posts don’t help the conservative agenda so he has to be vague. And that’s why he whines and cries when someone makes the perfectly reasonable request for him to back up his point. Can someone tell him it’s a debate forum and his excuses and whining are more suitable for a chat room.




oh tres, your “confusion” is exactly why you should stop posting at a debate forum. If you cant understand your own posts, why are you here? I asked you to explain your original post in this thread. Here it is again. And again, what is your point?

So where did I say that Hassan and Shaheen tried to prevent insurers from entering NH? Nowhere. They want to keep their jobs, which they do. They had no choice but to support any effort to join the NH exchanges by other insurers, which doesn't mean they made an effort to oppose them.
 
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So where did I say that Hassan and Shaheen tried to prevent insurers from entering NH? Nowhere. They want to keep their jobs, which they do. They had no choice but to support any effort to join the NH exchanges by other insurers, which doesn't mean they made an effort to oppose them.

so then, what was the point of your origina post?
 
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Yes, 36% expected to not pay back federal loans. Very vague. :roll:

congratulations buck, 36% is specific. I’m not sure what its “specific to” or if its even true but it is a specific number. Now just post a link to the article you got if from so we can all read it. Again, it’s a debate forum.
 
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congratulations buck, 36% is specific. I’m not sure what its “specific to” or if its even true but it is a specific number. Now just post a link to the article you got if from so we can all read it. Again, it’s a debate forum.

I pointed out a HHS projection that 36% of these loans (to co-ops) are expected to default... and you don't know what that's specific too? Wow wee.

Anyway, glad we agree that you were wrong when you claimed I was being vague. Seems I won the debate again. Thanks!

But fine. http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-07-20/html/2011-18342.htm

As previously explained, Congress
has provided $3.8 billion to assist
sponsoring organizations in creating
such plans and to do so with enough
capital and reserves to become licensed
and ultimately effective competitors in
State insurance markets.1 The capital
requirements for CO–OPs would be
financed, in part, by member premiums
and in part by the $3.8 billion dollars
available for loans over the next five
years. The net Federal costs of these
loans to CO–OPs are ‘‘transfers.’’ The
net transfer costs resulting from default
and loss of interest over the relevant 5
year (Start-up Loan) and 15 year
(Solvency Loan) periods are estimated
later in this analysis, in Table 1. We
estimate that 65 percent of the Solvency
Loans and 60 percent of the Start-up
Loans will be repaid.
Our estimates use
one percent below the current yields for
5-year U.S. Treasury bonds as the
repayment interest rate on Start-up
Loans and two percent below the
current yields for longer term U.S.
Treasury Bonds as the repayment rate
for the Solvency Loans.
 
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I pointed out a HHS projection that 36% of these loans (to co-ops) are expected to default... and you don't know what that's specific too? Wow wee.

Anyway, glad we agree that you were wrong when you claimed I was being vague. Seems I won the debate again. Thanks!


er uh buck, I know you are desperate to claim victory (finally) but not only did I have to shame you into backing that up but your post had some other things you posted as fact.

Then I continued searching, to find that alot of these co-ops have huge numbers of complaints by their policy owners - higher than the typical insurance company (including larger than normal premium hikes in later years).

Can you back this up without whining about backing it up? The reason I ask is A. the two largest pre Obamacare coops don't fit your "narrative and B. I'm tired of your whining.
 
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er uh buck, I know you are desperate to claim victory (finally) but not only did I have to shame you into backing that up but your post had some other things you posted as fact.

Let's see. You claimed I was general. I then pointed out that 36% was a specific number. You then claimed you had no idea what the 36% was specific too.. Even though it was right in the conversation. Face it.> You lost.

Can you back this up without whining about backing it up? The reason I ask is A. the two largest pre Obamacare coops don't fit your "narrative and B. I'm tired of your whining.

Of course I can... I just won't. I back up far more than you ever do... So.. Go back to you little knitting circle.
 
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Let's see. You claimed I was general. I then pointed out that 36% was a specific number. You then claimed you had no idea what the 36% was specific too.. Even though it was right in the conversation. Face it.> You lost.

Of course I can... I just won't. I back up far more than you ever do... So.. Go back to you little knitting circle.

oh no, I never for once thought you backed up the 36% thing to justify not backing up this nugget .

Then I continued searching, to find that alot of these co-ops have huge numbers of complaints by their policy owners - higher than the typical insurance company (including larger than normal premium hikes in later years).

buck, this is a debate forum not a chat room or elementary school playground. Again, you've made a statement that I've asked you to substantiate. I also asked you not to whine. You've don't neither.
 
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oh no, I never for once thought you backed up the 36% thing to justify not backing up this nugget

Yes, that could be the problem. But you were wrong, weren't you? When you start backing up your claims.. i'll start worrying about backing up my claims to you.
 
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