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GOP to (finally) fund the ACA

Mycroft said:
Your insurance company pays it...or, perhaps, some lesser amount if they have the clout. But they still pay more than a reasonable price.

But you are avoiding the central question: Why are the prices inflated in the first place?

Look, I know you aren't the one I asked in the first place so I don't mind if you don't address my question.
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No. No one pays it. Insurance companies all pay substantially less.
 
Threegoofs said:
No. No one pays it. Insurance companies all pay substantially less.
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Very well. You don't want to answer the question.

You are dismissed.
 
Mycroft said:
Very well. You don't want to answer the question.

You are dismissed.
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Well, to answer the question, it's necessary to cut out the bull**** premise.

The answer as to why it's expensive is that good health care is resource intensive- and the more it marginally gets better, the more expensive it will be.
 
Greenbeard said:
What should they be paying?
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I don't know...but $20 seems a bit steep.

But, again...the question isn't now much anybody's paying. The question is: Why are the hospitals charging so much?

Do YOU know?
 
Threegoofs said:
Well, to answer the question, it's necessary to cut out the bull**** premise.

The answer as to why it's expensive is that good health care is resource intensive- and the more it marginally gets better, the more expensive it will be.
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Wrong.

Try again.
 
Mycroft said:
I don't know...but $20 seems a bit steep.

But, again...the question isn't now much anybody's paying. The question is: Why are the hospitals charging so much?

Do YOU know?
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At the end of the day, everything is about maximizing revenue. Charges are set and prices are negotiated to get the hospital to the annual revenue it's targeting.

The argument that the prices or charges or whatever should be lower--whether it be from the left arguing the government should just set the prices, or the right's argument that there's some magic bullet to force them to lower prices of their own accord--is really the argument that doctors and hospitals should find a way to live with less. And maybe they should!
 
Greenbeard said:
At the end of the day, everything is about maximizing revenue. Charges are set and prices are negotiated to get the hospital to the annual revenue it's targeting.

The argument that the prices or charges or whatever should be lower--whether it be from the left arguing the government should just set the prices, or the right's argument that there's some magic bullet to force them to lower prices of their own accord--is really the argument that doctors and hospitals should find a way to live with less. And maybe they should!
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Ummm...

I think you have the wrong idea about the right. They don't want to "force" hospitals to do anything, so no...they don't contend there is any "magic bullet" to do that. In fact, it's more the left's attitude that government action will force results...and they always fail at it.

But you are getting close in regard to why hospitals charge so much. It DOES have to do with revenue. But that's not the complete answer.

Keep trying.
 
ocean515 said:
15 million people from other countries not legally in the country and obtaining almost free medical care does require facilities having to swallow the loss to make it up elsewhere.
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That's another problem for sure. Perhaps there should be a law requiring them to buy health insurance? We can call it Trumpcare if there are no objections.
 
Captain America said:
That's another problem for sure. Perhaps there should be a law requiring them to buy health insurance? We can call it Trumpcare if there are no objections.
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Pass a law to fix problems caused by non-enforcement of other laws. Yes, that's the typical liberal way to deal with things.
 
Mycroft said:
Ummm...

I think you have the wrong idea about the right. They don't want to "force" hospitals to do anything, so no...they don't contend there is any "magic bullet" to do that. In fact, it's more the left's attitude that government action will force results...and they always fail at it.

But you are getting close in regard to why hospitals charge so much. It DOES have to do with revenue. But that's not the complete answer.

Keep trying.
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Yes, we know what you want the answer to be.

Big Gubmint.
 
Captain America said:
That's another problem for sure. Perhaps there should be a law requiring them to buy health insurance? We can call it Trumpcare if there are no objections.
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Why would they pay any attention to such a law? They have already demonstrated some of the most important laws of this Nation are meaningless to them, day after day, week after week, etc., etc..
 
Greenbeard said:
The GOP is passing on the opportunity to pull the thread that would unravel the private insurance expansion (something they've been fighting the Obama administration in court for years to do). Indeed, it looks like they're finally going to appropriate some funds.

Good news for millions of people. And an indication Congressional Republicans understand how boxed in they are here.

Republicans move to spend billions on Obamacare — before they kill it
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Guess you missed the 2 votes that start the repeal and replace of Obamacare!

House votes to begin repealing Obamacare
House votes to begin repealing Obamacare | Reuters

U.S. House Republicans on Friday won passage of a measure starting the process of dismantling Obamacare, despite concerns about not having a ready replacement and the potential financial cost of repealing Democratic President Barack Obama's landmark health insurance law.

The House of Representatives voted 227-198 to instruct committees to draft legislation by a target date of Jan. 27 that would repeal the 2010 Affordable Health Care Act, popularly known as Obamacare. The Senate approved the same measure early Thursday.

With this vote, Republicans began delivering on their promise to end Obamacare, which also was a campaign promise of Republican President-elect Donald Trump.

Senate opens Obamacare repeal drive with overnight marathon

The Senate voted 51-48 along party lines for the measure, which relies on the same budget process used seven years ago to approve the landmark healthcare law to now attempt to dismantle it.
Senate opens Obamacare repeal drive with overnight marathon - CNNPolitics.com

"This resolution will set the stage for true legislative relief from Obamacare that Americans have long demanded while ensuring a stable transition," Senate Budget Chairman Mike Enzi of Wyoming said, just after 1 a.m. "The Obamacare bridge is collapsing and we're sending in a rescue team."
 
Greenbeard said:
It's overwhelmingly likely that six months from now the ACA will be both 1) "repealed," and 2) still in effect.
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You started this thread with this:

"The GOP is passing on the opportunity to pull the thread that would unravel the private insurance expansion (something they've been fighting the Obama administration in court for years to do). Indeed, it looks like they're finally going to appropriate some funds.

Good news for millions of people. And an indication Congressional Republicans understand how boxed in they are here."


What is your point?? Or is there any point?
 
Greenbeard said:
They've been suing to dissolve these subsidies and pull the rug out from under these people for years.

All for show. An important clue to the reality of the spectacle we'll be seeing over the next several weeks.
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Nah. The "show" was "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor"...."if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance".... and most importantly, that the average American family would save $2,500 per year. That's the important clue to the reality of the ACA. It was built on lies.
 
humbolt said:
Nah. The "show" was "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor"...."if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance".... and most importantly, that the average American family would save $2,500 per year. That's the important clue to the reality of the ACA. It was built on lies.
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Such bitterness! I take it you changed doctors and insurance in 2014?
 
Greenbeard said:
It's overwhelmingly likely that six months from now the ACA will be both 1) "repealed," and 2) still in effect.
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It will (eventually) be renamed TrumpCare and thus become "really great". I expect the federal government to keep its full control of "private" medical care insurance and to raise/expand the federal subsidies to make it "affordable". I also expect that TrumpCare will not begin (take effect) until after the 2018 elections - after all, the GOP has only had 7 years to craft a replacement for what the demorats invented and passed in under two years.
 
joG said:
Why would it be ironical that they would support the system till it can be replaced in an orderly fashion?
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That (bolded above) amounts to pure income redistribution via big government - how is that not ironic for the party allegedly for a limited federal government? PPACA took power from the states (and the people) and gave it to the federal government - one would expect "repeal" to reverse that.
 
Greenbeard said:
Ah. So you kept your doctor and insurance. Like most of us.
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Heh. No, in fact I did get a different PCP and insurance. This issue - the lies - remain lies, and they're true by demonstration.
 
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