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ObamaCare may force employers to pull the plug on millions of health plans, CBO repor

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ocean515 said:
No offense, but if I have to choose, I'll take the research conducted by the Weekly Standard over the interpretation of an anonymous poster. We already know the propaganda put out to sell this wreck of a plan has been so far off base that criminal charges should be pending.
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You don't have to "take" anything. I told you their error. Pull up the two tables, compare. No interpretation necessary. It's black and white.

Here's the link to the 2013 projection: https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/51298-2013-02-ACA.pdf

Footnote c.

c. The effects of the Affordable Care Act are almost entirely on nongroup coverage; "other" includes Medicare.
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If you look at the 2016 projection here, you'll see the non-group excludes Medicare of 9 million and other of 6 million. So apples to apples you have to add Medicare to the "other" category in 2016

Also, in 2013 CBO estimated that by 2016 154 million would be covered by employers (160 minus 6). In 2016, CBO estimated the number covered by employers would be 155 million, which is HIGHER than the projected numbers from 2013.

Like I said, I'd do the whole analysis but there is no point. Weekly Standard was wrong, and either because the author doesn't/can't read footnotes or is a liar. It's a fail from start to finish.
 
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Vern said:
I just cant believe 6 years after the passage of Obamacare and in the third year of coverage, conservatives are still failing for these type of "articles".

the title of the thread is "ObamaCare may force employers to pull the plug on millions of health plans, CBO report finds"

the first sentence in the thread is "ObamaCare may force employers to pull the plug on millions of health plans, CBO report finds"

the title of the link is "ObamaCare may force employers to pull the plug on millions of health plans, CBO report finds"

Okay, now show me "forced".
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hey guys, how's that showing the "forced" part coming? don't make me force you to back up your narrative.
 
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American said:
ObamaCare may force employers to pull the plug on millions of health plans, CBO report finds

ObamaCare may force employers to pull the plug on millions of health plans, CBO report finds | Fox News

Overwhelmingly good news..................NOT. So Obamacare is basically taking over by driving out other insurers. That was not the original intent sold to the public..............keep your doctor.......keep your insurance......blah blah blah.
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Well, they're not driving out other insurers, are they? It's the same insurers, different plans. Limited medical coverage, pared down provider lists, shorter approved drug lists, all designed to cut the cost of healthcare (at the expense of the people, since they simply have to go without or pay for it themselves).
 
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WCH said:
I know the insurance companies agreed to and helped facilitate the ACA but, I wonder what's in it for them going forward.

Are they hoping for one giant payday if we go to single-payer?
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Yes.

Simple.. a single payer that they administer for a nice fat fee.. like they administer Medicaid and Medicare. with no risk

And then offer private insurance for the upper middle class and wealthy at a high premium for what the sucky public insurance won't cover.

Best of both worlds. Little risk.. great reward.

THE aca post-poned that a bit because I think they felt that with the government on the hook under Obamacare.. they could charge out the wazoo.. and the government had to go along. I mean.. whats the political fallout if now millions on obamacare plans suddenly get kicked off.

got the politicians right where they want them. Republican or democrat.
 
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jaeger19 said:
Yes.

Simple.. a single payer that they administer for a nice fat fee.. like they administer Medicaid and Medicare. with no risk

And then offer private insurance for the upper middle class and wealthy at a high premium for what the sucky public insurance won't cover.

Best of both worlds. Little risk.. great reward.

THE aca post-poned that a bit because I think they felt that with the government on the hook under Obamacare.. they could charge out the wazoo.. and the government had to go along. I mean.. whats the political fallout if now millions on obamacare plans suddenly get kicked off.

got the politicians right where they want them. Republican or democrat.
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Of course.
 
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Vern said:
hey guys, how's that showing the "forced" part coming? don't make me force you to back up your narrative.
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It is market forces. The invisible hand is invisible
 
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