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Lone profitable aca insurance co-op losing millions

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The lone health insurance cooperative to make money last year on the Affordable Care Act's public insurance exchanges is now losing millions and suspending individual enrollment for 2016.
Maine's Community Health Options lost more than $17 million in the first nine months of this year, after making $10.9 million in the same period last year. A spokesman said higher-than-expected medical costs have hurt the cooperative.
The announcement casts further doubt on the future of the cooperatives, small nonprofit insurers devised during the ACA's creation to inject competition in insurance markets. These co-ops immediately struggled to build their businesses. A dozen of the 23 created have already folded.

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This is just wow. In my lifetime I've never seen any govt program or the health care industry go into the hole so quickly. I believe this is hurting the middle class the most, particularly the ones over 40 or 50.
When political dogma is your guide, failure is sure to follow.
 
When political dogma is your guide, failure is sure to follow.

I don't think it was political dogma. I think it was a real attempt to do something about the horrible health care system we have in the country. It's fine for some, but terrible for many....those who had it. So it was an attempt. A bad attempt, but an attempt.

The Republicans, by contrast, thought everything was just hunky dory as it was. The ones in charge had good insurance, so that settled that. It's hard to understand a problem, if you haven't lived it. Had the Republicans taken the lead, things would be different. So the Democrats took the lead.

What a mess.
 
I don't think it was political dogma. I think it was a real attempt to do something about the horrible health care system we have in the country. It's fine for some, but terrible for many....those who had it. So it was an attempt. A bad attempt, but an attempt.

The Republicans, by contrast, thought everything was just hunky dory as it was. The ones in charge had good insurance, so that settled that. It's hard to understand a problem, if you haven't lived it. Had the Republicans taken the lead, things would be different. So the Democrats took the lead.

What a mess.

I had high hopes for this conversation, then you just spewed awful lies and bs all over the thread. "Oh it had to be done because the BIG BAD GOP was just fine with the RICH people being covered so they didn't CARE about anyone, they didn't want to act so the Dem's, they atleast TRIED to help!"

FFS what a load of horse****.

An Examination of the Bush Health Care Agenda

As an example. The GOP didn't have a grand "Here vote for us we'll make you're world better with our SUPER PLAN" They worked a different route, but to claim the GOP did nothing, and were just fine with the status quo is garbage, utter garbage.

Sick of people like you telling out right lies. You may disagree with what the GOP wanted, that's an honest discussion. To say they were not doing anything, nor did they want to is malicious misinformation.

The primary crux of the Conservative/GOP plan has always been to increase markets, lower cost through competition and NOT hang it on the tax payers. (the GOP Establishment however... takes a more pro-govt active approach, Medicare Plan D mess).

Still the point is, you were on such a good track, then in came the BS bombs. A real pity JJ, a real pity. Just because the right doesn't believe in forcing someone else to pay for your wants doesn't mean they don't care.
 
I don't think it was political dogma. I think it was a real attempt to do something about the horrible health care system we have in the country. It's fine for some, but terrible for many....those who had it. So it was an attempt. A bad attempt, but an attempt.

The Republicans, by contrast, thought everything was just hunky dory as it was. The ones in charge had good insurance, so that settled that. It's hard to understand a problem, if you haven't lived it. Had the Republicans taken the lead, things would be different. So the Democrats took the lead.

What a mess.

Prior to the ACA, about 85% of Americans had health insurance. That percentage has gone up under the ACA, but the 85% who had it are seeing accelerated premiums, larger deductibles, and longer waits for service. That is what happens when you throw actuarial tables out the window.
 
I don't think it was political dogma. I think it was a real attempt to do something about the horrible health care system we have in the country. It's fine for some, but terrible for many....those who had it. So it was an attempt. A bad attempt, but an attempt.

The Republicans, by contrast, thought everything was just hunky dory as it was. The ones in charge had good insurance, so that settled that. It's hard to understand a problem, if you haven't lived it. Had the Republicans taken the lead, things would be different. So the Democrats took the lead.

What a mess.

With respect, we will never know what the Republicans might have come up with.

They were frozen out of the considerations and the failed healthcare repair was passed without a single Republican vote.

Huge changes are best arrived at using baby steps.
 
An Examination of the Bush Health Care Agenda

As an example. The GOP didn't have a grand "Here vote for us we'll make you're world better with our SUPER PLAN" They worked a different route, but to claim the GOP did nothing, and were just fine with the status quo is garbage, utter garbage.

How is that not an example of them doing nothing? That's a bunch of never-enacted proposals from the last GOP president, despite the fact that his party had unified control over the government for six years. I don't think most of those ideas were ever even debated in Congress, much less crystalized in actual legislation and marked up in committee. They do this all the time: come up with a couple bullet points for a white paper or website somewhere to give the illusion they have some interest, then ignore the issue.

The GOP has a long history of doing absolutely nothing on health care. And they've continued that sorry tradition.
 
How is that not an example of them doing nothing? That's a bunch of never-enacted proposals from the last GOP president, despite the fact that his party had unified control over the government for six years. I don't think most of those ideas were ever even debated in Congress, much less crystalized in actual legislation and marked up in committee. They do this all the time: come up with a couple bullet points for a white paper or website somewhere to give the illusion they have some interest, then ignore the issue.

The GOP has a long history of doing absolutely nothing on health care. And they've continued that sorry tradition.

Just because the right doesn't believe in forcing someone else to pay for your wants doesn't mean they don't care.
 
Just because the right doesn't believe in forcing someone else to pay for your wants doesn't mean they don't care.

There used to be a conservative view of health policy, which seems hard to remember now. It was based primarily on greater price exposure for consumers, more robust head-to-head competition in the health sector, some kind of sort of tort reform, and at least some token life preserver for some of the uninsured (like high-risk pools).

Then they starting bemoaning high deductibles, attacking selective contracting and new network designs (i.e., private sector cost containment induced by competition), taking potshots at the ACA's temporary high-risk pools, refusing to fund the tort reform provisions of the ACA, and cheering market exits by competitors (which are largely the result of the GOP's own actions). I'm pretty sure at this point they believe in nothing.
 
There used to be a conservative view of health policy, which seems hard to remember now. It was based primarily on greater price exposure for consumers, more robust head-to-head competition in the health sector, some kind of sort of tort reform, and at least some token life preserver for some of the uninsured (like high-risk pools).

Then they starting bemoaning high deductibles, attacking selective contracting and new network designs (i.e., private sector cost containment induced by competition), taking potshots at the ACA's temporary high-risk pools, refusing to fund the tort reform provisions of the ACA, and cheering market exits by competitors (which are largely the result of the GOP's own actions). I'm pretty sure at this point they believe in nothing.

Dogma, it's not your friend. The Conservative approach is to lower the governments involvement, empower consumers, and work on the core drivers of healthcare costs.

The ACA, was passed with ZERO GOP input, at all, it wasn't allowed. And look what we have, an unsustainable, failing system that didnt' do what it set out to do. Oh and it puts the bill in the tax payers pocket. How peachy.
 
Dogma, it's not your friend. The Conservative approach is to lower the governments involvement, empower consumers, and work on the core drivers of healthcare costs.

I realize they've been reduced to a handful of empty slogans at this point, as they've attacked most of the policies that undergird those slogans. Sounds like we're in agreement: the conservative approach is to repeat the same empty words over and over again.

The ACA, was passed with ZERO GOP input, at all, it wasn't allowed.

The GOP made a strategic decision against honest participation in the process. At times they even fought the inclusion of their input (much of which is in the ACA) to try and derail the legislative process.



Now that they control Congress they've gotten a little more malicious. Do you think it's some accident that the nonprofit startup insurers have struggled? The GOP has been trying to kick their legs out from under them and every time they succeed with one they can barely contain their glee.

Their philosophy at this point is nihilism. Their policy is to repeat stock phrases and promise to someday reveal policy (E.g., the latest in a long line: "Ryan vague on timeline for O-Care replacement").
 
When political dogma is your guide, failure is sure to follow.

Its funny you say that because every conservative narrative about Obamacare failed to happen.

it didn't destroy the economy. It didn't kill jobs. People signed up. People paid. Hundreds of thousands of doctors didn't retire. 50-100 million didn't lose their insurance. And dogma explains why cons parroted every one of them.
 
Its funny you say that because every conservative narrative about Obamacare failed to happen.

it didn't destroy the economy. It didn't kill jobs. People signed up. People paid. Hundreds of thousands of doctors didn't retire. 50-100 million didn't lose their insurance. And dogma explains why cons parroted every one of them.

The economy is slow, 94 Million don't have jobs, doctors are retiring at a rate faster then the new doctors are coming into the system, people have insurance... it's got a deductible they cannot afford and if there were not tax payer hand outs couldn't afford the premiums...
 
The economy is slow, 94 Million don't have jobs, doctors are retiring at a rate faster then the new doctors are coming into the system, people have insurance... it's got a deductible they cannot afford and if there were not tax payer hand outs couldn't afford the premiums...

er uh con, we were discussing your dogma linking OBamacare to "slow economy and 94 million not having jobs". You were supposed to share with us your explanation linking ""slow economy and 94 million not having jobs" to Obamacare. You just posted more silly dogma. But I see you did slip in some actual reality: people couldn't afford healthcare without subsidies. What is your fix to that problem other than obediently ranting your dogma? oh and don't forget, I was looking for you to address the fact that your Fox editorial lied to you. What is about conservative dogma that forces cons to lose their integrity?
 
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