Under GOP control, Senate finally passes bill to repeal Affordable Care Act

imyoda · Dec 7, 2015

Under GOP control, Senate finally passes bill to repeal Affordable Care Act
After many failures, GOP poised to pass Affordable Care Act repeal bill - LA Times

“This time, the vote in Congress to send a bill repealing the Affordable Care Act to President Obama’s desk was supposed to be easy.

After trying -- and failing – dozens of times to stop Obamacare since it became law five years ago, Congress, now with a Republican majority, envisioned a pathway to victory in 2015 because the party controlled not only the House, but also the Senate.

Republicans understand that Obama will veto any measure to undo his signature domestic policy accomplishment. But that doesn’t matter. As the party in charge, Republicans believe they owe it to the constituents who put them in office to force the issue………….”

AS they quietly knowing the President’s veto will mean they will not have face questions why they took healthcare coverage away form 17 million folks……….

shrubnose · Dec 7, 2015

imyoda said:
Under GOP control, Senate finally passes bill to repeal Affordable Care Act
After many failures, GOP poised to pass Affordable Care Act repeal bill - LA Times

“This time, the vote in Congress to send a bill repealing the Affordable Care Act to President Obama’s desk was supposed to be easy.

After trying -- and failing – dozens of times to stop Obamacare since it became law five years ago, Congress, now with a Republican majority, envisioned a pathway to victory in 2015 because the party controlled not only the House, but also the Senate.

Republicans understand that Obama will veto any measure to undo his signature domestic policy accomplishment. But that doesn’t matter. As the party in charge, Republicans believe they owe it to the constituents who put them in office to force the issue………….”

AS they quietly knowing the President’s veto will mean they will not have face questions why they took healthcare coverage away form 17 million folks……….

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The GOP will face questions about why they wasted time on this that could have been spent actually doing something.

"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.

imyoda · Dec 7, 2015

shrubnose said:
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The GOP will face questions about why they wasted time on this that could have been spent actually doing something.

"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.

Unfortunately, I think not...............most of America is asleep at the switch.....more do not even know they has a Rep. in Congress let alone his name

Ancient Herald · Dec 7, 2015

shrubnose said:
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The GOP will face questions about why they wasted time on this that could have been spent actually doing something.

"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.

Oh, yah.

like this doesn't get repeated enough.

A republican likes Charlie Brown and you guys will give him or her an anal probe.

joG · Dec 7, 2015

imyoda said:
Under GOP control, Senate finally passes bill to repeal Affordable Care Act
After many failures, GOP poised to pass Affordable Care Act repeal bill - LA Times

“This time, the vote in Congress to send a bill repealing the Affordable Care Act to President Obama’s desk was supposed to be easy.

After trying -- and failing – dozens of times to stop Obamacare since it became law five years ago, Congress, now with a Republican majority, envisioned a pathway to victory in 2015 because the party controlled not only the House, but also the Senate.

Republicans understand that Obama will veto any measure to undo his signature domestic policy accomplishment. But that doesn’t matter. As the party in charge, Republicans believe they owe it to the constituents who put them in office to force the issue………….”

AS they quietly knowing the President’s veto will mean they will not have face questions why they took healthcare coverage away form 17 million folks……….

You mean it would have been better to wait till the President is gone?

jamesrage · Dec 7, 2015

imyoda said:
Under GOP control, Senate finally passes bill to repeal Affordable Care Act

You do realize that this is nothing more than a show vote meant to make it look like they somehow really oppose Obama-care? Votes are coming up and they want to make it look like they actually oppose Obama-care. Because if they were serious about repealing Obama-care then that repeal would be attached to every bill Obama wants passed.Nothing would make it to his desk without the Obama-care repeal in it.They wouldn't have passed the Crony-bus bill right after they won the majority or the security bill sometime during the spring or the budget without the Obama-care repeal in it. They would be out there in the conservative media saying if Obama refuses to sign the repeal then it is on him for shutting the government down.

Northern Light · Dec 7, 2015

jamesrage said:
You do realize that this is nothing more than a show vote meant to make it look like they somehow really oppose Obama-care? Votes are coming up and they want to make it look like they actually oppose Obama-care. Because if they were serious about repealing Obama-care then that repeal would be attached to every bill Obama wants passed.Nothing would make it to his desk without the Obama-care repeal in it.They wouldn't have passed the Crony-bus bill right after they won the majority or the security bill sometime during the spring or the budget without the Obama-care repeal in it. They would be out there in the conservative media saying if Obama refuses to sign the repeal then it is on him for shutting the government down.

I agree with this, but at the same time there has to be proper timing involved.

It's not like the GOP will ever really stop fighting the ACA. Even if takes 20 years they will eventually vote to tear it down, or wait til they get another GOP POTUS to do an executive order.

This symbolizes all that is wrong with our government. One admin creates a law, the next undoes it, on and on until we are bankrupt as a nation with no real lasting national strategies in many arenas.

ttwtt78640 · Dec 7, 2015

imyoda said:
Under GOP control, Senate finally passes bill to repeal Affordable Care Act
After many failures, GOP poised to pass Affordable Care Act repeal bill - LA Times

“This time, the vote in Congress to send a bill repealing the Affordable Care Act to President Obama’s desk was supposed to be easy.

After trying -- and failing – dozens of times to stop Obamacare since it became law five years ago, Congress, now with a Republican majority, envisioned a pathway to victory in 2015 because the party controlled not only the House, but also the Senate.

Republicans understand that Obama will veto any measure to undo his signature domestic policy accomplishment. But that doesn’t matter. As the party in charge, Republicans believe they owe it to the constituents who put them in office to force the issue………….”

AS they quietly knowing the President’s veto will mean they will not have face questions why they took healthcare coverage away form 17 million folks……….

The horror! The republicants in congress are doing just what the demorats in congress did.

The Senate passed the measure thanks to the special budget reconciliation procedure that allows the party in power to pass the bill with a simple 51-vote majority in the Senate, rather than the usual 60 votes needed to avoid a filibuster.

IIRC, this is what gave us PPACA in the first place but that was "fair" because it was done by demorats then.

imyoda · Dec 7, 2015

joG said:
You mean it would have been better to wait till the President is gone?

REALLY.............where did you dig up that silly bit of illogic?

OrphanSlug · Dec 7, 2015

imyoda said:
Under GOP control, Senate finally passes bill to repeal Affordable Care Act
After many failures, GOP poised to pass Affordable Care Act repeal bill - LA Times

“This time, the vote in Congress to send a bill repealing the Affordable Care Act to President Obama’s desk was supposed to be easy.

After trying -- and failing – dozens of times to stop Obamacare since it became law five years ago, Congress, now with a Republican majority, envisioned a pathway to victory in 2015 because the party controlled not only the House, but also the Senate.

Republicans understand that Obama will veto any measure to undo his signature domestic policy accomplishment. But that doesn’t matter. As the party in charge, Republicans believe they owe it to the constituents who put them in office to force the issue………….”

AS they quietly knowing the President’s veto will mean they will not have face questions why they took healthcare coverage away form 17 million folks……….

Without an alternative to ACA, about all this effort will do is grab a headline or two.

imyoda · Dec 7, 2015

ttwtt78640 said:
The horror! The republicants in congress are doing just what the demorats in congress did.

IIRC, this is what gave us PPACA in the first place but that was "fair" because it was done by demorats then.

Well ..........are suggesting that because the democrats followed the rule of Congress now the Republican s can do the same thing..................Why of course they can as long as they follow the rules......

As for your second musing.....I have no idea of what you mean or w3hat the point is..............wanna try again?

imyoda · Dec 7, 2015

ttwtt78640 said:
The horror! The republicants in congress are doing just what the demorats in congress did.

IIRC, this is what gave us PPACA in the first place but that was "fair" because it was done by demorats then.

Oh pray tell what you think what it is the Democrats did wrong which allows which now gives the Republicans the right/excuse of what you thought so bad that the Democrats did...........

That sounds silly...........did you mean for it to sound so?

imyoda · Dec 7, 2015

OrphanSlug said:
Without an alternative to ACA, about all this effort will do is grab a headline or two.

The GOP has no plan...........never will.......and could care less about their supporters................because when you have them all stirred up they cannot see what is going on that their base would find ........shall we say .......unacceptable ........

ttwtt78640 · Dec 7, 2015

imyoda said:
Well ..........are suggesting that because the democrats followed the rule of Congress now the Republican s can do the same thing..................Why of course they can as long as they follow the rules......

As for your second musing.....I have no idea of what you mean or w3hat the point is..............wanna try again?

Reconciliation is supposed to be limited to spending bills and the Constitution says that spending bills shall originate in the House. PPACA was not a spending bill, it was establishing an entirely new massive federal entitlement program, and it did not originate in the House.

jamesrage · Dec 7, 2015

Northern Light said:
I agree with this, but at the same time there has to be proper timing involved.

It's not like the GOP will ever really stop fighting the ACA. Even if takes 20 years they will eventually vote to tear it down, or wait til they get another GOP POTUS to do an executive order.

This symbolizes all that is wrong with our government. One admin creates a law, the next undoes it, on and on until we are bankrupt as a nation with no real lasting national strategies in many arenas.

I do not think they actually oppose it.If you listen to many of them who do claim to oppose it they say repeal and replace suggesting that at most they will just make changes to it. I am pretty sure that when social security,medicaid and medicare were first enacted they did the same old crap of pretending to be opposed to it so they can sucker people into voting for them under the false impression that they will do something about it. I guarantee that there could be a republican president and republican majority in both houses and nothing will be done to repeal it. Like I said in my last post if they were serious then they would have done it by now because they had multiple opportunities but deliberately threw their chances away .

ttwtt78640 · Dec 7, 2015

imyoda said:
Oh pray tell what you think what it is the Democrats did wrong which allows which now gives the Republicans the right/excuse of what you thought so bad that the Democrats did...........

That sounds silly...........did you mean for it to sound so?

I quoted the spin (bias?) offered by your OP link. It is bot unusual to use reconciliation for passing budget bills, it is unusual (unprecedented?) to do so to establish new federal programs.

OrphanSlug · Dec 7, 2015

imyoda said:
The GOP has no plan...........never will.......and could care less about their supporters................because when you have them all stirred up they cannot see what is going on that their base would find ........shall we say .......unacceptable ........

Yes and no, the plan may just be based on something we do not agree with. We really do not know for sure.

Regardless of whatever that is, my position is when the GOP tries time and time again to repeal ACA (which is well into the 60+ range going back to the 112th Congress) they would have infinitely more validation if they had a posted solution... somewhere... for the public to evaluate. So we know what is coming next. Force the GOP into a condition where we evaluate their plan against ACA.

But that is not their interest, repealing ACA now in this manner would be an even bigger benefit to healthcare insurance companies. It is easy to argue that those organizations would be the primary beneficiary of such a move.

imyoda · Dec 7, 2015

ttwtt78640 said:
Reconciliation is supposed to be limited to spending bills and the Constitution says that spending bills shall originate in the House. PPACA was not a spending bill, it was establishing an entirely new massive federal entitlement program, and it did not originate in the House.

They followed the rules...............so where's you problem

imyoda · Dec 7, 2015

OrphanSlug said:
Yes and no, the plan may just be based on something we do not agree with. We really do not know for sure.

Regardless of whatever that is, my position is when the GOP tries time and time again to repeal ACA (which is well into the 60+ range going back to the 112th Congress) they would have infinitely more validation if they had a posted solution... somewhere... for the public to evaluate. So we know what is coming next. Force the GOP into a condition where we evaluate their plan against ACA.

But that is not their interest, repealing ACA now in this manner would be an even bigger benefit to healthcare insurance companies. It is easy to argue that those organizations would be the primary beneficiary of such a move.

For me..........I could care less how the repeal might affect the HCI companies............nor is the GOP.......what all worry about is what will happen if the GOP ends HCI for 17 million folks............And right now they are counting on the President doing their dirty work and saving their butts

imyoda · Dec 7, 2015

ttwtt78640 said:
I quoted the spin (bias?) offered by your OP link. It is bot unusual to use reconciliation for passing budget bills, it is unusual (unprecedented?) to do so to establish new federal programs.

Unprecedented.................but still within the Senate's rules

imyoda · Dec 7, 2015

ttwtt78640 said:
Reconciliation is supposed to be limited to spending bills and the Constitution says that spending bills shall originate in the House. PPACA was not a spending bill, it was establishing an entirely new massive federal entitlement program, and it did not originate in the House.

AS you are free to think................but still; within the rules......................Think about this.... If what you maintain is so.........why didn't the GOP go to the SCOTUS to have the law declared null and void because you think they didn't follow the rules.........

Now there's a question that begs an answer

Frank Apisa · Dec 7, 2015

shrubnose said:
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The GOP will face questions about why they wasted time on this that could have been spent actually doing something.

Couldn't agree more:

Why on Earth are they wasting time passing a bill that has absolutely NO CHANCE WHATEVER of becoming law...when they could actually have been doing something?

roughdraft274 · Dec 7, 2015

ttwtt78640 said:
The horror! The republicants in congress are doing just what the demorats in congress did.

The Senate passed the measure thanks to the special budget reconciliation procedure that allows the party in power to pass the bill with a simple 51-vote majority in the Senate, rather than the usual 60 votes needed to avoid a filibuster.

Click to expand...

IIRC, this is what gave us PPACA in the first place but that was "fair" because it was done by demorats then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act

On December 23, the Senate voted 60–39 to end debate on the bill: a cloture vote to end the filibuster. The bill then passed, also 60–39, on December 24, 2009, with all Democrats and two independents voting for it, and all Republicans against (except Jim Bunning, who did not vote).

ObamaCare passed with 60 and had to have enough votes to overrule the filibuster. Those talking points you've got are wrong.

ttwtt78640 · Dec 7, 2015

imyoda said:
AS you are free to think................but still; within the rules......................Think about this.... If what you maintain is so.........why didn't the GOP go to the SCOTUS to have the law declared null and void because you think they didn't follow the rules.........

Now there's a question that begs an answer

Here is that answer:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ps-origination-clause-challenge-to-obamacare/

OrphanSlug · Dec 7, 2015

imyoda said:
For me..........I could care less how the repeal might affect the HCI companies............nor is the GOP.......what all worry about is what will happen if the GOP ends HCI for 17 million folks............And right now they are counting on the President doing their dirty work and saving their butts

The point I am trying to make is the GOP going after ACA is a political goal, but behind the scene there are not many beneficiaries of ACA being repealed. The public as a whole does not benefit from ACA repeal, there is no evidence that Insurance rates will all of a sudden drop. Since ACA does have stipulations on both insurance company profits and basic requirements of plans offered it makes perfect sense that they would be the first to benefit (and perhaps only one to benefit) from ACA repeal.

The GOP is not counting on the President "doing their dirty work and saving their butts." If we agree that the umpteenth time in trying to repeal ACA is all for political show, then the real intention here is to create more issues for the 2016 lot of GOP hopefuls to campaign on. That also makes sense, Romney mentioned it a time or two as well in 2012 after the 112th Congressional House tried several times to repeal ACA.

The healthcare exchanges are already in various states of decline State to State. Some are doing okay with it, others States are epic disasters with millions of Federal and State dollars lost. It is very probable that if ACA is ever repealed that millions will lose coverage, and that is something the GOP will eventually have to come up with a solution for.

I have no choice but to conclude that this 114th Congress finally sending to Obama a repeal bill means political showdown. Nothing more.

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