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Obamacare to unleash the American “entrepreneurial spirit”

Vern

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Isn't “entrepreneurial spirit” a republican slogan? Cons usually support vague and weak narratives to unleash the American “entrepreneurial spirit”. anyhoo, thanks to Obamacare, 1.5 million more people will be self employed.

"Overall, we estimate that the number of self-employed people in the United States will be about 1.5 million higher following the universal availability of non-group coverage, the financial assistance available for it, and other related market reforms."

http://www.rwjf.org/content/dam/farm...013/rwjf406367
 
Vern said:
Isn't “entrepreneurial spirit” a republican slogan? Cons usually support vague and weak narratives to unleash the American “entrepreneurial spirit”. anyhoo, thanks to Obamacare, 1.5 million more people will be self employed.

"Overall, we estimate that the number of self-employed people in the United States will be about 1.5 million higher following the universal availability of non-group coverage, the financial assistance available for it, and other related market reforms."

http://www.rwjf.org/content/dam/farm...013/rwjf406367
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Thanks to Obamacare millions of Americans will be able to follow their passion and avoid the labor traps of old and the exploited class that has wrecked this country and everything we hold sarced in our beloved democracy. With a fighting spirit, patriotic never say die never give in example, Obama has unleashed new wisdom that will for the first time in history take America to a new golden age that only prior generations could dream of, and for that we are forever grateful to this legendary genius of gargantuan intellect.
 
Like Obamacare, the OP link doesn't work.
 
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Vern said:
Isn't “entrepreneurial spirit” a republican slogan? Cons usually support vague and weak narratives to unleash the American “entrepreneurial spirit”. anyhoo, thanks to Obamacare, 1.5 million more people will be self employed.

"Overall, we estimate that the number of self-employed people in the United States will be about 1.5 million higher following the universal availability of non-group coverage, the financial assistance available for it, and other related market reforms."

http://www.rwjf.org/content/dam/farm...013/rwjf406367
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Vern said:
Isn't “entrepreneurial spirit” a republican slogan? Cons usually support vague and weak narratives to unleash the American “entrepreneurial spirit”. anyhoo, thanks to Obamacare, 1.5 million more people will be self employed.

"Overall, we estimate that the number of self-employed people in the United States will be about 1.5 million higher following the universal availability of non-group coverage, the financial assistance available for it, and other related market reforms."

http://www.rwjf.org/content/dam/farm...013/rwjf406367
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Awesome if the american entrepreneur could compete against Chinese slave labor
 
Their methodology is to assume that a probable 13% increase in self-employment due to Medicare @ age 64, is comparable to the ACA non-group access increasing self-employment.
 
Samhain said:
Their methodology is to assume that a probable 13% increase in self-employment due to Medicare @ age 64, is comparable to the ACA non-group access increasing self-employment.
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Since those leaving the workforce are expected to be poorer, I doubt it would be nearly that high.. but.. thats the wonderful thing about assumptions. You can assume whatever the hell you want.
 
buck said:
Even if this study by a left leaning organization is accurate...
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Wow Buck, you’re really getting lazy with your excuses. But its not a surprise. Anyhoo, the first study referenced in the link you lazily call “left leaning” came from the Rand Corp. the second is from the Upjohn Institute.


Are these organizations on your “hate list”. Are french fries still on you ‘hate list’?
 
Vern said:
Wow Buck, you’re really getting lazy with your excuses. But its not a surprise. Anyhoo, the first study referenced in the link you lazily call “left leaning” came from the Rand Corp. the second is from the Upjohn Institute.


Are these organizations on your “hate list”. Are french fries still on you ‘hate list’?
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French Fries are an expensive addition to health care costs. I suspect that to help bring premiums in check and curb health care expenses, democrats will soon be calling for the banning of french fries. It's already started in NY with large sodas. When that happens, we cna then ask why your masters told you to change your opinion on french fries and if you even questioned it.

Anyway, despite the possibility of an increase of the entrepeneurial spirit , there is still projected to be a loss of 2.3 million equivalent jobs in America, and let's face it. That's the important piece.
 
buck said:
French Fries are an expensive addition to health care costs. I suspect that to help bring premiums in check and curb health care expenses, democrats will soon be calling for the banning of french fries. It's already started in NY with large sodas. When that happens, we cna then ask why your masters told you to change your opinion on french fries and if you even questioned it.
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So, you’re happy to discuss french fries but don’t want to discuss when cons obediently called them freedom fries. But enough with starches, lets discuss your silly attempt to spin away the credible studies from credible sources that show 1.5 million more Americans will be self employed because of Obamacare.

We both agree your “left leaning “ claim was lazy. Posting wishful thinking as fact is just what cons do, have to do. But it was more than just lazy. I would even say desperate. Is your ideology so weak that you cant even acknowledge one positive aspect of Obamacare and have to throw up (literally and figuratively) the first thing you could think of just so it didn’t go “uncontested”. It’s not like you even had to acknowledge it. But you just couldn’t not say something and boy was it weak. I guess that’s what happens when you let others do your thinking for you.
Anyway, despite the possibility of an increase of the entrepeneurial spirit , there is still projected to be a loss of 2.3 million equivalent jobs in America, and let's face it. That's the important piece.
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I see you are attempting to back away from the “loss of 2.3 million jobs” lie with your “equivalent jobs” word games. Sorry, you’ve denied it and admitted it too many times. Here’s the right phrase “people will choose to work less totaling the equivalent of 2.3 million jobs”. But the good news is that Obamacare will definitely lower the UE rate.
 
Vern said:
We both agree your “left leaning “ claim was lazy. Posting wishful thinking as fact is just what cons do, have to do. But it was more than just lazy. I would even say desperate. Is your ideology so weak that you cant even acknowledge one positive aspect of Obamacare and have to throw up (literally and figuratively) the first thing you could think of just so it didn’t go “uncontested”. It’s not like you even had to acknowledge it. But you just couldn’t not say something and boy was it weak. I guess that’s what happens when you let others do your thinking for you.

I see you are attempting to back away from the “loss of 2.3 million jobs” lie with your “equivalent jobs” word games. Sorry, you’ve denied it and admitted it too many times. Here’s the right phrase “people will choose to work less totaling the equivalent of 2.3 million jobs”. But the good news is that Obamacare will definitely lower the UE rate.
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You really are getting sad, and I'm just about done... but, no. It's always been equivalent jobs lost. I thought that was well known. Looks like I gave you too much credit.
 
Awesome! said:
Thanks to Obamacare millions of Americans will be able to follow their passion and avoid the labor traps of old and the exploited class that has wrecked this country and everything we hold sarced in our beloved democracy. With a fighting spirit, patriotic never say die never give in example, Obama has unleashed new wisdom that will for the first time in history take America to a new golden age that only prior generations could dream of, and for that we are forever grateful to this legendary genius of gargantuan intellect.
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Thanks to Obamacare, people won't be able to grow a small business, probably won't be able to start one.
 
Vern said:
Here’s the right phrase “people will choose to work less totaling the equivalent of 2.3 million jobs”. But the good news is that Obamacare will definitely lower the UE rate.
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And the CBO said that 2.3 million net job loss would lower the unemployment rate solely by reducing the workforce size.

Care to comment on this "report"'s methodology? They are assuming that based on people joining Medicare a year early, 2/3 of the previously studied 13% rate, is proportional to people starting their own business.
 
apdst said:
Thanks to Obamacare, people won't be able to grow a small business, probably won't be able to start one.
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I think the correct question should be, does the supreme one want me to start my own business and will this business be good for society?

I recently emailed Pelosi, Holder, Reid, Jarrett, and the Supreme One and asked them if I should start a new business or am I being too greedy, because afterall I didn't build my business, being caucasian, and a beneficiary of social injustice. I wanted to know what they thought I should do? Should I start another business, do I need to give my current employees raises, or hire more women or let my employees go to part time so they can follow their passion? I need some guidance here. Hopefully they will reply soon with their vast knowledge and experience in this matter, but until then I at least plan to hit 100 fast food drive thru's everyday and apologize to all the workers there for being a little greedy eichmann, and for not giving enough back to society like our supreme one has done...
 
buck said:
Even if this study by a left leaning organization is accurate...

The CBO indicates an equivalent of 2.5 million less jobs in the economy due to Obamcare. So, I guess that was really 4 million minus the 1.5 million that will start their own business = the 2.5 million equivalent jobs lost to the economy. Wonderful news!
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The rise of the start ups of new businesses is base don the belief that people too lazy to go to work will have the initiative and intelligence to start and run a business.

This is a conclusion that only a politician could arrive at.
 
code1211 said:
The rise of the start ups of new businesses is base don the belief that people too lazy to go to work will have the initiative and intelligence to start and run a business.

This is a conclusion that only a politician could arrive at.
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That's pretty much it. Or the individual that wants to reduce their pay specifically so they can qualify for subsidies or Medicaid will then start a business where they will increase their pay so they will no longer qualify for Medicaid or subsidies.
 
apdst said:
Thanks to Obamacare, people won't be able to grow a small business, probably won't be able to start one.
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Not just ObamaCare. Report: Another 1,500 pages of regulations added last week | The Daily Caller every one of those pages has a business cost associated with it, as we all know that businesses add this additional expense to their prices to consumers.

And as things continue to look worse, economically speaking Terry Miller: America's Dwindling Economic Freedom - WSJ.com

I'm just wondering when the liberal / progressive policy caused implosion of it all is going to happen.
 
apdst said:
Thanks to Obamacare, people won't be able to grow a small business, probably won't be able to start one.
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Isn't that a good thing? They'll be able to apply for government benefits, spend more time with their family, take the walk or read the book they have been putting off. There's no need to excel in life, make more money to give their kids a better education than they received, provide a better environment than prior generations, or leave a legacy business or assets for their children to continue through to future generations. All that's just OLD THINKING.... now we all get to sit, get fat on government cheese, live in government housing, get government food stamp Cheetos, and get fat watching FCC controlled television and news (oops... sorry... they decided the news thing was a bad idea! Try again in a few years....) while we're told what to eat and our kids are taken from the hospital for their indoctrination education.

The propaganda director will be making an appointment later this week to discuss my sarcasm and how it affects the harmony of the progressive society. :monkey
 
Samhain said:
Care to comment on this "report"'s methodology? They are assuming that based on people joining Medicare a year early, 2/3 of the previously studied 13% rate, is proportional to people starting their own business.
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I think you should read the report (again?) because your statement doesn’t make sense to me. One of the two studies referenced in the link actually had two different aspects to it. Of the two parts in the FKG study, one studied the increase in self employment when an individual turns 65. so the conclusion for that aspect was the increase due to the availability of HC. And Sam, if you reply, don’t just repeat yourself, cut and paste the part of the link you are referring to/disputing.

code1211 said:
The rise of the start ups of new businesses is base don the belief that people too lazy to go to work will have the initiative and intelligence to start and run a business.

This is a conclusion that only a politician could arrive at.
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er uh code, it would greatly aid your attempt to twist the facts if you actually read the report. I assumed when you said the link didn’t work it meant you wanted to read it. The study basically examines the different ‘self employment’ rate for two groups that differ only in their health care coverage.

oh and code, buck has already used the “librul media” excuse so no need for you to use it next. Honestly, you and your con friends should speak to professionals about your inability to accept reality when it doesn’t fit your ‘narratives’.
 
buck said:
You really are getting sad, and I'm just about done... but, no. It's always been equivalent jobs lost. I thought that was well known. Looks like I gave you too much credit.
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oh buck, its never been about “equivalent jobs” Its been about “hours” totaling the equivalent of 2.3 million jobs. Even your attempt to back away from the “Obama kills 2.3 million jobs” lie is a fail. But at least you agree (again) that republican narrative that “Obama kills 2.3 million jobs” is a lie.

Hey remember how you claimed the CBO doesn’t increase the deficit? would you like to back away from that too while you are in reverse?
 
Vern said:
I think you should read the report (again?) because your statement doesn’t make sense to me. One of the two studies referenced in the link actually had two different aspects to it. Of the two parts in the FKG study, one studied the increase in self employment when an individual turns 65. so the conclusion for that aspect was the increase due to the availability of HC. And Sam, if you reply, don’t just repeat yourself, cut and paste the part of the link you are referring to/disputing.
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They state they only used the FKG study, whose findings was "that the increase in probability of owning a business once an individual reaches the age of 65 represents an an increase of 13 percent".

Here is where they use the FKG study only.
As a result we use the FKG Medicare analysis finding a 13 percent increase in self-employment as our expected self-employment effect of the ACA in the 35 states
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Prior to stating this, they note that none of the previous studies are "perfect corollaries", but they then still use the FKG rate as their base rate anyway.

Later, they then arbitrarily reduce the 13% rate by 33% to 8.7 percent, to account for the ACA making it easier for the self-employed to get insurance coverage. Like I said before, they state that the FKG study isn't a perfect correlation, but they use it anyway.

Because of this, the reported conclusion of 1.5 million new self employed due to the ACA making insurance easier to get is poppycock. They've taken a rate for a different reason, modified it arbitrarily, and then applied it their set of data.
 
Vern said:
oh buck, its never been about “equivalent jobs” Its been about “hours” totaling the equivalent of 2.3 million jobs. Even your attempt to back away from the “Obama kills 2.3 million jobs” lie is a fail. But at least you agree (again) that republican narrative that “Obama kills 2.3 million jobs” is a lie.
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Sorry, Obamacare "costs the equivalent of 2.3 million jobs" is sufficient. The "hours reduced" that you feel the need to add is redundant, as that would obviously be covered in the word "equivalent".

It's a good thing I learned not to expect much from you following the confusion you had about the word "net". That way I am no longer saddened for all of humanity by the silly arguments you make.
 
Did this study check to see if the Banks are lending money to people with no money or collateral? I think that would tend to impact any study of this kind.. ;)


Tim-
 
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