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The Myth That Obamacare Is Destroying Full-Time Jobs Just Got Debunked

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Well now that we've heard over a year of this bullcrap ad nauseam... the stats are finally out. And claims of Obamacare killing full time jobs are now officially debunked.

The Myth That Obamacare Is Destroying Full-Time Jobs Just Got Debunked

According to the BLS household survey, part-time jobs fell 594,000 in September while full-time workers were up 691,000.​

As I said in an earlier post, I'll wait for independent verification. I don't believe anything the government tells me without private sector verification.
 
Well now that we've heard over a year of this bullcrap ad nauseam... the stats are finally out. And claims of Obamacare killing full time jobs are now officially debunked.

The Myth That Obamacare Is Destroying Full-Time Jobs Just Got Debunked

According to the BLS household survey, part-time jobs fell 594,000 in September while full-time workers were up 691,000.​

Looking at one month seems to be pretty stupid. For example, it would not account for seasonality. Such as part time summer jobs going away and teachers going back to work.

Business people are rational. If you say that instead of hiring 3 people to work 120 hours you get to save several thousand per worker if you hire 4 people working 30 hours ( a bit less to fall under the threshold) then guess what the good manager will do.
 
Well now that we've heard over a year of this bullcrap ad nauseam... the stats are finally out. And claims of Obamacare killing full time jobs are now officially debunked.

The Myth That Obamacare Is Destroying Full-Time Jobs Just Got Debunked

According to the BLS household survey, part-time jobs fell 594,000 in September while full-time workers were up 691,000.​

That doesn't prove anything. What would the numbers have been without Obamacare?

ObamaCare Employer Mandate: A List Of Cuts To Work Hours, Jobs - Investors.com

It appears the biggest effect is the loss of hours by part time employees.
 
Looking at one month seems to be pretty stupid. For example, it would not account for seasonality. Such as part time summer jobs going away and teachers going back to work.

Business people are rational. If you say that instead of hiring 3 people to work 120 hours you get to save several thousand per worker if you hire 4 people working 30 hours ( a bit less to fall under the threshold) then guess what the good manager will do.

True. In the link a made within the content:

This was the second straight month of part-time jobs falling.​
 
Once this rightwing myth is debunked, like the Ministry of Truth they'll claim they never said it, and they'll move on to a new pseudo-issue. That's how the tea party noise machine works.
 
Well now that we've heard over a year of this bullcrap ad nauseam... the stats are finally out. And claims of Obamacare killing full time jobs are now officially debunked.

The Myth That Obamacare Is Destroying Full-Time Jobs Just Got Debunked

According to the BLS household survey, part-time jobs fell 594,000 in September while full-time workers were up 691,000.​

Obamacare doesn't go into full effect until January, and I thought businesses had until 2015 to comply. It gets too confusing with what ever ACA pardons and commutations are out there since the Obamabot has issued so many with an election coming on and all.
 
Obamacare doesn't go into full effect until January, and I thought businesses had until 2015 to comply. It gets too confusing with what ever ACA pardons and commutations are out there since the Obamabot has issued so many with an election coming on and all.

Wait... if you are admitting that the effects of Obamacare aren't going to have any effect until the future, why is the the GOP keeps referring to how disastrous Obamacare has been in past tense all the time?
 
Who ya gonna believe, posts by Obama Liberals from questionable sources or YOUR OWN EYES?

Absolute nonsense.
 
Who ya gonna believe, posts by Obama worshipping Liberals from questionable sources or YOUR OWN EYES?

Absolute nonsense.

So just deny stats you don't like? That's how it works? That's three denying the BLS. Where's Conservative when you need him. He says the BLS is infallible.
 
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The concern about moving full-time employees to part-time status is not a myth or over reaction. It's based on empirical historical evidence provided by what began in 2007 and 2008 following the financial crash. Following the crash, employers moved full-time employees to part-time status to reduce costs by eliminating the cost of benefits.

This was the evidence used to predict what would happen due to the PPACA's requirements. It is also the reason that the Teamsters and many other Unions, who originally gave unrestricted, and what is now proven to be unrequited, support to the PPACA, to send open letters to the President with concerns over a mirrored reaction of what began in '07 and '08.

The trend to reduce benefits costs has been in place since '07, and that was before the mandates of the PPACA. As has been stated above by others, there are many variables in the employment numbers that can account for any short term trend, either up or down. Only long term analysis will prove out whether the PPACA will have long lasting or a potential permanent affect on employment practices.

Employers, as also been said before by another poster, will make their decision based on the bottom line to the company. They have a fiduciary responsibility to the stock holders to do whatever is required to reduce costs and maintain profitability. This includes the option of moving full-time employees to part-time status. This is also made possible by the establishment of the government exchanges, giving the employers the ability to garner emotional, moral and ethical cover, given that their employees will still have access to health care insurance, when they lose their employer provided insurance.

If we look beyond the politically motivated arguments from both sides, and look solely at the facts, market trends and basic business practices, the concern, as I said at first, is not a myth or overreaction. It's based on empirical historical evidence, and current trends in hiring practices.

And, in addition to the problem with employment status, the Unions have additional concerns (and this from a source that the OP should believe):

 
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Well now that we've heard over a year of this bullcrap ad nauseam... the stats are finally out. And claims of Obamacare killing full time jobs are now officially debunked.

The Myth That Obamacare Is Destroying Full-Time Jobs Just Got Debunked

According to the BLS household survey, part-time jobs fell 594,000 in September while full-time workers were up 691,000.​

The overall trend is that part time employment is going up, but so is full time employment:

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The numbers reported are basically just statistical noise.

There have been many reports of people being forced to go part time, but apparently that's a small part of the total picture.

I don't think there's any doubt that the ACA is suppressing job growth. I've never heard of employers hiring more people if it costs them a lot more to do so. That would sort of fly in the face of the liberal view of business people, would it not? :2razz:
 
The overall trend is that part time employment is going up, but so is full time employment:

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The numbers reported are basically just statistical noise.

There have been many reports of people being forced to go part time, but apparently that's a small part of the total picture.

I don't think there's any doubt that the ACA is suppressing job growth. I've never heard of employers hiring more people if it costs them a lot more to do so. That would sort of fly in the face of the liberal view of business people, would it not? :2razz:

Unless they need they for profit. Frankly, growth is not related to these things that much. If people are spending money, there. Will be growth, regardless.

However, if anyone really buys this suppression argument, they should be arguing for UHC. That would remove healthcare from employment.
 
Who ya gonna believe, posts by Obama Liberals from questionable sources or YOUR OWN EYES?

Absolute nonsense.

I am going to believe the Bureau of Labor Statistics regarding labor statistics over my own eyes.

Because I am wise and intelligent enough to understand that personal observations can be wildly inaccurate and are easily prone to any number of different biases.
 
The overall trend is that part time employment is going up, but so is full time employment:

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The numbers reported are basically just statistical noise.

There have been many reports of people being forced to go part time, but apparently that's a small part of the total picture.

I don't think there's any doubt that the ACA is suppressing job growth. I've never heard of employers hiring more people if it costs them a lot more to do so. That would sort of fly in the face of the liberal view of business people, would it not? :2razz:

How can you say that it IS suppressing job growth if the law doesn't go into effect until next year?
 
Unless they need they for profit. Frankly, growth is not related to these things that much. If people are spending money, there. Will be growth, regardless.

However, if anyone really buys this suppression argument, they should be arguing for UHC. That would remove healthcare from employment.

The increase in taxes that UHC would require would pretty much negate any advantages where economic growth is concerned. Unless they are talking about some really draconian rationing of medical care, which people are not going to stand for.
 
The increase in taxes that UHC would require would pretty much negate any advantages where economic growth is concerned.

A dollar for dollar push huh? Citation?
 
Wait... if you are admitting that the effects of Obamacare aren't going to have any effect until the future, why is the the GOP keeps referring to how disastrous Obamacare has been in past tense all the time?

Oops!

To the escape pod quick!

The rightwing arguments against ACA aren't factual -- they're little narratives they keep telling. It kind of doesn't matter if they conflict.
 
How can you say that it IS suppressing job growth if the law doesn't go into effect until next year?

Businesses typically look ahead 6 to 12 months to adjust for changes in the business environment. That's why people are already being forced to go part time and people have already lost their coverage. They are not going to wait until the day that the ACA goes live to make these adjustments.
 
Who ya gonna believe, posts by Obama Liberals from questionable sources or YOUR OWN EYES?

Absolute nonsense.

Personal anecdote - the mother's milk of conservative "logic".
 
The increase in taxes that UHC would require would pretty much negate any advantages where economic growth is concerned. Unless they are talking about some really draconian rationing of medical care, which people are not going to stand for.

Unless of course, getting a large portion of the currently 50M uninsured Americans insured, happens, which is the goal of ACA. In that case the outrageous price inflation in both health care insurance and health care should decrease, and in fact health care inflation is one of the foremost driving forces in reducing economic growth as it sucks up more and more of our economic output.

In contrast, doing nothing will insure our economy is hobbled by health care inflation for ever.
 
Businesses typically look ahead 6 to 12 months to adjust for changes in the business environment. That's why people are already being forced to go part time and people have already lost their coverage. They are not going to wait until the day that the ACA goes live to make these adjustments.

If that's the case then you fully believe the OP then right?
 
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