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The Myth That Obamacare Is Destroying Full-Time Jobs Just Got Debunked

Dickieboy said:
I'm confused by your point. Are you saying because Bush's plan stumbled that legitimizes Obama plan stumbling?
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No, I'm merely saying it had much of the same problems. But I must tell you putting up websites that will get millions of hits are very hard to test before they are rolled out.
 
pbrauer said:
No, I'm merely saying it had much of the same problems. But I must tell you putting up websites that will get millions of hits are very hard to test before they are rolled out.
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Maybe passing something before finding out what was in it wasn't such a good idea?
 
pbrauer said:
No, I'm merely saying it had much of the same problems. But I must tell you putting up websites that will get millions of hits are very hard to test before they are rolled out.
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I agree TOTALLY with this. The ACA website was incredibly more complex that Mc D considering the hub must communicate with many more outside data sources including those in the 33 states. I fear this Nov 30 'deadline' is way more optimistic than the administration realizes and in the end the individual mandate will be delayed. This will in turn create the need to 'bailout' the ins cos due to the lack of 'young invincibles' but given the rancorous divisions in Congress getting this 'bailout' passed will be nearly impossible later next year...considering the mid terms...this may prove to be exciting times!
 
pbrauer said:
No, I'm merely saying it had much of the same problems. But I must tell you putting up websites that will get millions of hits are very hard to test before they are rolled out.
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Only if you don't test them...as the Obamacare site wasn't tested.

Obama should have hired NCsoft to develop his site. They had, at their peak when Guild Wars 2 was in pre-release, 400,000 people playing at once. I was one of them and it just plain worked.
 
Conservative said:
Maybe passing something before finding out what was in it wasn't such a good idea?
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What Pelosi meant was there were so many amendments being added to the bill, that it was impossible to know what exactly was in it. Once it passed the House it was frozen.
 
pbrauer said:
What Pelosi meant was there were so many amendments being added to the bill, that it was impossible to know what exactly was in it. Once it passed the House it was frozen.
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So what is in it? If you like your doctor and your plan do you get to keep them? Are your premiums going down? Is your doctor going to accept Obamacare? Is there any reason for a healthcare young person to sign up?
 
pbrauer said:
No, I'm merely saying it had much of the same problems. But I must tell you putting up websites that will get millions of hits are very hard to test before they are rolled out.
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Many who have been involved with major system implementations should not be shocked that there are problems. What I am shocked about is that there seems to be no back up plan when the system did not work. To me this is where the error lies.
 
Conservative said:
I have a serious question, all politics aside but do results ever matter in your world? here we are 5 years into the Obama Presidency and over 4 years after the end of the recession and the economic results aren't better than they were when he took office? The Administration had 3 years to implement a website and roll out Obamacare and have failed miserably? When are you going to hold Obama accountable for the same standards as you hold a Republican?

What is it about an incompetent like Obama that warrants this kind of support and loyalty?
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Not sure that's true to start with. And if we measure results the way you are, Bill Clinton beat the hell out both the two after him. But you confuse things, and wrongly assert that presidents are responsible for everything, well, democrat presidents anyway. This is flawed. Much of what a president deals with is beyond his control. This is true regardless of party. There are things he can influenced, but not controlled. Blame is often more complex and shared. You're too simplistic and therefore often wrong.
 
Boo Radley said:
Not sure that's true to start with. And if we measure results the way you are, Bill Clinton beat the hell out both the two after him. But you confuse things, and wrongly assert that presidents are responsible for everything, well, democrat presidents anyway. This is flawed. Much of what a president deals with is beyond his control. This is true regardless of party. There are things he can influenced, but not controlled. Blame is often more complex and shared. You're too simplistic and therefore often wrong.
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Leadership is always about taking responsibility and whether you like it or not responsibility cannot be delegated. It is the Obama agenda that was implemented thus it is the Obama results. Leaders always accept responsibility which is why Obama will never be considered a leader. Obama inherited a bad recession that his party was part of helping create. Reagan inherited a recession that the numbers show affected more Americans negatively than this one. The recovery is the issue and Reagan though good leadership, economic policy and compromise shortened that recession whereas Obama has prolonged this one.

Obama and all Presidents except this one are judged by their results. Seems that Harry Truman disagrees with you when he said, "the buck stops here" but with Obama the buck seems to never have gotten there.
 
poweRob said:
Well now that we've heard over a year of this bullcrap ad nauseam... the stats are finally out. And claims of Obamacare killing full time jobs are now officially debunked.

The Myth That Obamacare Is Destroying Full-Time Jobs Just Got Debunked

According to the BLS household survey, part-time jobs fell 594,000 in September while full-time workers were up 691,000.​
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and let me guess you don't think that has anything to do with the delay of the employer mandate for a year? if anything it confirms Obama care will cost full time jobs before the delay of the employer mandate companies where scaling back on full time work then when it was delayed they went back to full time work

Also the government data rounds up the hours so when some one works 29.5 hour it is rounded up to 30 hour which they considered full time even though under Obama care regulations it is part time
 
trfjr said:
and let me guess you don't think that has anything to do with the delay of the employer mandate for a year? if anything it confirms Obama care will cost full time jobs before the delay of the employer mandate companies where scaling back on full time work then when it was delayed they went back to full time work

Also the government data rounds up the hours so when some one works 29.5 hour it is rounded up to 30 hour which they considered full time even though under Obama care regulations it is part time
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powerRob already ran from the actual data showing 7.9 million long term part time employees who want full time work but cannot find it. He has been totally silent like most Obama supporters when their support is questioned and refuted. I posted the BLS summary proving my claim.
 
Conservative said:
powerRob already ran from the actual data showing 7.9 million long term part time employees who want full time work but cannot find it. He has been totally silent like most Obama supporters when their support is questioned and refuted. I posted the BLS summary proving my claim.
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Whats you posting a bunch of random numbers have to do with the thread topic which is..."The Myth That Obamacare Is Destroying Full-Time Jobs Just Got Debunked"?:2wave:
 
Donc said:
Whats you posting a bunch of random numbers have to do with the thread topic which is..."The Myth That Obamacare Is Destroying Full-Time Jobs Just Got Debunked"?:2wave:
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I suggest you read the OP statement from powerRob and stop making a fool of yourself. He was touting a reduction in part time jobs but ignored the long term part time workers, 7.9 million of them just like you do all the time.
 
Conservative said:
I suggest you read the OP statement from powerRob and stop making a fool of yourself. He was touting a reduction in part time jobs but ignored the long term part time workers, 7.9 million of them just like you do all the time.
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And the data you posted shows that "That Obamacare Is Destroying Full-Time Jobs"?:roll:
 
Donc said:
And the data you posted shows that "That Obamacare Is Destroying Full-Time Jobs"?:roll:
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poweRob posted the BLS summary information touting a reduction in part time jobs as proof that Obamacare wasn't destroying full time jobs when the reality is the BLS summary page shows that there are 7.9 million long term part time unemployed people who are searching for full time jobs. He conveniently ignored those numbers. I posted the link to the BLS summary page so how do you explain the 7.9 million long term part time unemployed that he wants to ignore?
 
Conservative said:
Leadership is always about taking responsibility and whether you like it or not responsibility cannot be delegated. It is the Obama agenda that was implemented thus it is the Obama results. Leaders always accept responsibility which is why Obama will never be considered a leader. Obama inherited a bad recession that his party was part of helping create. Reagan inherited a recession that the numbers show affected more Americans negatively than this one. The recovery is the issue and Reagan though good leadership, economic policy and compromise shortened that recession whereas Obama has prolonged this one.

Obama and all Presidents except this one are judged by their results. Seems that Harry Truman disagrees with you when he said, "the buck stops here" but with Obama the buck seems to never have gotten there.
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No, it's about truth. Truth should matter. The buck stops there for the things he's responsible for, as it should, but none of them run the economy. They just don't. That's the truth.
 
Boo Radley said:
No, it's about truth. Truth should matter. The buck stops there for the things he's responsible for, as it should, but none of them run the economy. They just don't. That's the truth.
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Obama is responsible for the people he hired and for the economic policies he promoted. Both have been disasters but you give him a pass because he is a Democrat and your ideology trumps reality. It doesn't appear you never held a true leadership position in spite of what you claim because leadership is all about responsibility and taking responsibility for the people you hire and the results you generate. You don't think the Senate is implementing Obama policies? you don't think the Congress under Democrat control implemented Obama policies? You really are very naïve for your age
 
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Donc said:
And the data you posted shows that "That Obamacare Is Destroying Full-Time Jobs"?:roll:
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Here is the claim that poweRob stated,

Well now that we've heard over a year of this bullcrap ad nauseam... the stats are finally out. And claims of Obamacare killing full time jobs are now officially debunked.
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The BLS survey shows no such thing simply because full time jobs increased in September while part time jobs decreased however what liberals like you and others want to ignore are the long term part time employees who don't seem to be affected much by the monthly changes in part time and full time employment. 7.9 million on top of the Discouraged and the Unemployed make Obama's economic results a disaster.
 
Conservative said:
Obama is responsible for the people he hired and for the economic policies he promoted. Both have been disasters but you give him a pass because he is a Democrat and your ideology trumps reality. It doesn't appear you never held a true leadership position in spite of what you claim because leadership is all about responsibility and taking responsibility for the people you hire and the results you generate. You don't think the Senate is implementing Obama policies? you don't think the Congress under Democrat control implemented Obama policies? You really are very naïve for your age
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None of which control the economy.

And the country is not a business. Not remotely.
 
poweRob said:
Well now that we've heard over a year of this bullcrap ad nauseam... the stats are finally out. And claims of Obamacare killing full time jobs are now officially debunked.

The Myth That Obamacare Is Destroying Full-Time Jobs Just Got Debunked

According to the BLS household survey, part-time jobs fell 594,000 in September while full-time workers were up 691,000.​
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LOL, you cite one month as proof for it being "debunked"? I guess we'll just ignore all the other months or the past 5 years of his tenure that jobs have been shrinking.
 
Boo Radley said:
None of which control the economy.

And the country is not a business. Not remotely.
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The more you post the more you make my claims of you being very naïve accurate. You don't think Govt. policies and regulations impact private business decisions and thus don't affect the economy? Wow is all I can say. Obviously you lied when you said you ran a business because you never have with that attitude or understanding.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
LOL, you cite one month as proof for it being "debunked"? I guess we'll just ignore all the other months or the past 5 years of his tenure that jobs have been shrinking.
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When the recession began in December 2007 we had over 146.6 million Americans working, today that number is 144.3 million and to a liberal that is a success? The new liberal normal, high unemployment, low employment, higher taxes, higher debt, and stagnant economic growth. Now isn't that new normal great?
 
Conservative said:
The more you post the more you make my claims of you being very naïve accurate. You don't think Govt. policies and regulations impact private business decisions and thus don't affect the economy? Wow is all I can say. Obviously you lied when you said you ran a business because you never have with that attitude or understanding.
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Studies show they have minimal impact. Not major.
 
Boo Radley said:
Studies show they have minimal impact. Not major.
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This is proof that at least twice in modern history we have had liberal academics in the Oval office, and touted as the smartest people on the planet. And both times they govern by the principles of academia, instead of practical leadership, and common sense. And both times their terms have been a disaster for the country.

Academics should stick to the ivory towers.
 
Boo Radley said:
Studies show they have minimal impact. Not major.
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Your studies are just that opinions of others that you want to buy. You obviously have no concept how taxes, regulations affect the personal expenses of a private business and unfortunately you aren't the exception in liberalism.
 
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