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    Re: A coup? A power grab? Theres some serious political drama in North Carolina right

    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    The point of this thread is that they should not (because it seems petty and partisan), rather than that they can not.
    No. The subject of the thread is in both the title of the thread and the title of the OP article: A coup? A power grab? Theres (sic) some serious political drama in North Carolina right now

    Nowhere does it water it down to being just petty and partisan - it called it a potential coup and power grab.
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    Re: A coup? A power grab? Theres some serious political drama in North Carolina right

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I agree that it could be reasonably seen as a power grab. However, again, it's within the constitutional powers of the governor and legislature to do this, so it's not power grab, as much as ensuring the maintenance of political influence (a form of power). Maintaining certain forms of power rather than grabbing power that doesn't exist in the first place.

    For comparison purposes, we could look at how Harry Reid killed the filibuster in the US Senate so that President Obama could pack the DC Circuit Court and to get all the other appointments (with the exception of the SCOTUS) past the Republicans before they might take control of the Senate... which they did. Both actions are a political move regarding maintenance of political influence (a form of power) by one party that is allowed by the US Constitution and in the case of NC, allowed by the state constitution.
    As stated earlier in the thread, just because the GOP can do it doesn't mean they should.
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    Re: A coup? A power grab? Theres some serious political drama in North Carolina right

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I agree that it could be reasonably seen as a power grab. However, again, it's within the constitutional powers of the governor and legislature to do this, so it's not power grab, as much as ensuring the maintenance of political influence (a form of power). Maintaining certain forms of power rather than grabbing power that doesn't exist in the first place.

    For comparison purposes, we could look at how Harry Reid killed the filibuster in the US Senate so that President Obama could pack the DC Circuit Court and to get all the other appointments (with the exception of the SCOTUS) past the Republicans before they might take control of the Senate... which they did. Both actions are a political move regarding maintenance of political influence (a form of power) by one party that is allowed by the US Constitution and in the case of NC, allowed by the state constitution.
    This is somewhat OT, but NC is something of a testbed for a Koch/Pope puppet government. Read Dark Money... NC will be like Kansas soon enough.

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    Re: A coup? A power grab? Theres some serious political drama in North Carolina right

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    No. The subject of the thread is in both the title of the thread and the title of the OP article: A coup? A power grab? Theres (sic) some serious political drama in North Carolina right now

    Nowhere does it water it down to being just petty and partisan - it called it a potential coup and power grab.
    I agree that the "coup" language is hyperbolic.

    I also think that NC republicans should respect the governor that NC voters elected.

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    Re: A coup? A power grab? Theres some serious political drama in North Carolina right

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    As stated earlier in the thread, just because the GOP can do it doesn't mean they should.
    I haven't stated my opinion as to whether they should or shouldn't, because the thread title and WaPo article implied implicitly that this was a coup and a power grab.

    There's only one of the actions that are know so far (which we really don't know exactly what's going to happen yet) is the bill to require cases to go before the state's 15 Appeals Court judges en banc before the case can go to the Supreme Court, but that has nothing to do with the governor or politics. That one is a slap in the face of the citizens that are poor or middle class and can't afford to pay a lawyer for such a time consuming event and a money making scam for lawyers that have clients with deep pockets.

    I see no problem with having the Governor get his/her appointments first approved by the Senate, like is done on the federal level. I also don't see a problem with controlling the number of appointments the governor can make to boards and senior positions in state government departments and having those come before the Senate as well. That's actually a part of the state constitution already, it just hasn't been complied with for decades - the Governor would send a list to the state Senate and the list would be voted on under a consent agreement vote along with dozens of other things. Now there will be hearing and interviews. I don't have a problem with that.
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    Re: A coup? A power grab? Theres some serious political drama in North Carolina right

    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    I agree that the "coup" language is hyperbolic.

    I also think that NC republicans should respect the governor that NC voters elected.
    I agree, but... He isn't governor yet.
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    Re: A coup? A power grab? Theres some serious political drama in North Carolina right

    I can tell you what is going on easily enough.


    NC has been in the middle of a power struggle for some time, between natives vs newcomers. NC is possibly the favorite "halfback" state (northerners who moved to Florida, hated its summers as much as they hated their native winters, and moved "halfway back" north) and has had a rising tide of population of people from northern states, and their offspring.


    The natives are mostly conservative; the newcomers mostly liberal.


    It's reached a tipping point and the native forces are trying to keep control of their state by any means available.


    I can't blame them. SC would have similar problems if we were a little more attractive to the halfbackers.

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    Re: A coup? A power grab? Theres some serious political drama in North Carolina right

    Quote Originally Posted by Porkuloss View Post
    This is somewhat OT, but NC is something of a testbed for a Koch/Pope puppet government. Read Dark Money... NC will be like Kansas soon enough.
    No. Not really. The Koch brothers don't influence in NC like they do in KS. But, with the far right in control of the state House, they don't have to.
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    Re: A coup? A power grab? Theres some serious political drama in North Carolina right

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Probably the same way the people of the United States feel about President Obama's actions since November 8th. If that were true, then we'd probably be pissed, but that isn't what's happening. That is the narrative being used to spin this for political purpose by the Democrats and their buddies in the press, because statements like that sell papers and sell ads on local news.
    And in all cases actions have consequences, so there ya go, we shall see if there are repercussions or not to such outlandish maneuvering.

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    Re: A coup? A power grab? Theres some serious political drama in North Carolina right

    Quote Originally Posted by Casper View Post
    And in all cases actions have consequences, so there ya go, we shall see if there are repercussions or not to such outlandish maneuvering.
    What's outlandish? Please... tell me? Specifically?
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