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    Re: A coup? A power grab? Theres some serious political drama in North Carolina right

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Intent is invariably interpretive and wholly subjective. The fact that the current governor and legislature have the power to act is not. That's my point. I haven't stated my opinion on whether they should or should not (the intent), just that they can act within the state constitution, and that referring to a legal and constitutional action as a coup or power grab is pure hyperbolic political bull****, which it is.
    Coup, probably not. Power grab? Absolutely -- a nakedly brazen one. It's unquestionably a power grab.
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    Re: A coup? A power grab? Theres some serious political drama in North Carolina right

    Quote Originally Posted by Tanngrisnir View Post
    No, sorry, it's simply not bull****, no matter how much that upsets you. They're moving to make sure that power is taken out of the hands of the next gov and put back into theirs. They've even going so far as to make less appointed positions for the governor there is now. That power will then be in the hands of the legislators. That's a power grab. No two ways about it, and Obama is irrelevant to that.

    I'm not denying that. Yes, they're still in power, so spare me the straw man. They're currently trying to consolidate even more power, and doing so simply for political reasons. They're doing it in a special session exclusively for this purpose involving 27 bills. It's unprecedented and they're even going after things like election boards, etc...

    That's a power grab. You don't have to accept reality, but you can 't change it.
    I'm not upset in the slightest. I'm not going around waving my arms and screaming "COUP" and "POWER GRAB" which is again, bull****. Those currently in power have the power to act, and exercising constitutional power is neither a coup nor a power grab.. It's that simple.
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    Re: A coup? A power grab? Theres some serious political drama in North Carolina right

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I'm not upset in the slightest. I'm not going around waving my arms and screaming "COUP" and "POWER GRAB" which is again, bull****. Those currently in power have the power to act, and exercising constitutional power is neither a coup nor a power grab.. It's that simple.
    Yawn. Sorry you can't accept the reality of this power grab.

    Not my problem. Good luck with your magical thinking.

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    Re: A coup? A power grab? Theres some serious political drama in North Carolina right

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Intent is invariably interpretive and wholly subjective. The fact that the current governor and legislature have the power to act is not. That's my point. I haven't stated my opinion on whether they should or should not (the intent), just that they can act within the state constitution, and that referring to a legal and constitutional action as a coup or power grab is pure hyperbolic political bull****, which it is.
    The point of this thread is that they should not (because it seems petty and partisan), rather than that they can not.

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    Re: A coup? A power grab? Theres some serious political drama in North Carolina right

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Intent is invariably interpretive and wholly subjective.
    The intention is clear in the bills. They want to curtail the incoming governor's power, at the absolute last minute. If McCrory had won, none of these bills would be considered.


    ....referring to a legal and constitutional action as a coup or power grab is pure hyperbolic political bull****, which it is.
    I concur, it's apparently legal, and calling it a coup is an exaggeration.

    At the same time, the real bull**** here is on the part of the Republican state legislators. They lost the governorship, in no small part due to the laws the legislature passed. And pulling stunts like these only licenses Democrats to do the same to them.

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    Re: A coup? A power grab? Theres some serious political drama in North Carolina right

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I'm not upset in the slightest. I'm not going around waving my arms and screaming "COUP" and "POWER GRAB" which is again, bull****. Those currently in power have the power to act, and exercising constitutional power is neither a coup nor a power grab.. It's that simple.
    I wonder what the People of NC think about having their will subverted, meaning the person they elected being hobbled. Me thinks this could backfire badly and the Dems could use this to take the NC Legislature come the next elections.

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    Re: A coup? A power grab? Theres some serious political drama in North Carolina right

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Coup, probably not. Power grab? Absolutely -- a nakedly brazen one. It's unquestionably a power grab.
    I agree that it could be reasonably seen as a power grab. However, again, it's within the constitutional powers of the governor and legislature to do this, so it's not power grab, as much as ensuring the maintenance of political influence (a form of power). Maintaining certain forms of power rather than grabbing power that doesn't exist in the first place.

    For comparison purposes, we could look at how Harry Reid killed the filibuster in the US Senate so that President Obama could pack the DC Circuit Court and to get all the other appointments (with the exception of the SCOTUS) past the Republicans before they might take control of the Senate... which they did. Both actions are a political move regarding maintenance of political influence (a form of power) by one party that is allowed by the US Constitution and in the case of NC, allowed by the state constitution.
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    Re: A coup? A power grab? Theres some serious political drama in North Carolina right

    Quote Originally Posted by Casper View Post
    I wonder what the People of NC think about having their will subverted, meaning the person they elected being hobbled. Me thinks this could backfire badly and the Dems could use this to take the NC Legislature come the next elections.
    Probably the same way the people of the United States feel about President Obama's actions since November 8th. If that were true, then we'd probably be pissed, but that isn't what's happening. That is the narrative being used to spin this for political purpose by the Democrats and their buddies in the press, because statements like that sell papers and sell ads on local news.
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    Re: A coup? A power grab? Theres some serious political drama in North Carolina right

    Quote Originally Posted by Casper View Post
    I wonder what the People of NC think about having their will subverted, meaning the person they elected being hobbled. Me thinks this could backfire badly and the Dems could use this to take the NC Legislature come the next elections.
    Yep. The GOP just put a full mag in the Dem's AR.
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    Re: A coup? A power grab? Theres some serious political drama in North Carolina right

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    The intention is clear in the bills. They want to curtail the incoming governor's power, at the absolute last minute. If McCrory had won, none of these bills would be considered.
    No doubt about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    I concur, it's apparently legal, and calling it a coup is an exaggeration.
    Hence me calling it BS.

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    At the same time, the real bull**** here is on the part of the Republican state legislators.
    Oh, I agree, it's absolutely a bull**** move.
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    They lost the governorship, in no small part due to the laws the legislature passed. And pulling stunts like these only licenses Democrats to do the same to them.
    Damned right they did, and HB2 as well as a few other actions of theirs are still rubbing me the wrong way.
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