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    Re: There is a movement to make the District of Columbia the 51st state

    Quote Originally Posted by Masterhawk View Post
    Our capital is a bit of an oddball. It's the only city in America without any host state. As a result, the city council have a lot more control over their city but the federal government has a lot of power over that city. DC also lacks any representation in congress and until the 23rd amendment was passed, they couldn't vote. Because of these disadvantages, there is a movement to make DC the 51st state in the union. DC has a largely liberal demographic which conflicts with the mostly republican legislature which has blocked attempts to legalize marijuana.

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    A referendum for statehood has been approved in this November ballot but in order to achieve statehood, congress must approve of it and if it stays republican majority, the measure likely won't be passed. Should DC become the 51st state however, the new state would be called "New Columbia" but federal buildings such as the White House, Capitol Building, and Supreme Court Building would remain part of the federal capital.
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    Re: There is a movement to make the District of Columbia the 51st state

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    DC was never meant to be a State. It was meant to be the Capitol of the US. Separated so as to show no allegiance to any specific state. To show neutrality. I see no reason that it should change. If people want representation in the Senate/Congress then they should move to an actual state. There are other US territories without representation in the Senate/Congress. Those territories are far more deserving of representation imo.
    They're not actually making the capital of the United States an actual state. They're planning on splitting it.

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    There will be a state called "New Columbia" and there will still be a federal capital called "DC". Washington DC will be drastically downsized should the city gain statehood and the rest of the city will be part of the 51st state.

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    Re: There is a movement to make the District of Columbia the 51st state

    It doesn't need to be a state but I am all for giving them representation.

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    Re: There is a movement to make the District of Columbia the 51st state

    Quote Originally Posted by Masterhawk View Post
    They're not actually making the capital of the United States an actual state. They're planning on splitting it.

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    There will be a state called "New Columbia" and there will still be a federal capital called "DC". Washington DC will be drastically downsized should the city gain statehood and the rest of the city will be part of the 51st state.
    And if the Capitol has to expand to accommodate growth? IIRC 3 or 4 states ceded land specifically for DC to be formed, part of the reasoning was for accommodating growth. IF its decided that DC doesn't need to be as big as it is then parts of that land should go back to the States that ceded the land in the first place.
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    Re: There is a movement to make the District of Columbia the 51st state

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And if the Capitol has to expand to accommodate growth? IIRC 3 or 4 states ceded land specifically for DC to be formed, part of the reasoning was for accommodating growth. IF its decided that DC doesn't need to be as big as it is then parts of that land should go back to the States that ceded the land in the first place.
    I'm pretty sure that maryland ceded most of the land used. Maryland and DC have similar political alignments so if the city of columbia got ceded by Maryland, at least the people of DC would be represented. The issue here is that the people of columbia have no representation and are under congress's sore thumb.

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    Re: There is a movement to make the District of Columbia the 51st state

    Quote Originally Posted by Masterhawk View Post
    I'm pretty sure that maryland ceded most of the land used. Maryland and DC have similar political alignments so if the city of columbia got ceded by Maryland, at least the people of DC would be represented. The issue here is that the people of columbia have no representation and are under congress's sore thumb.
    I know the issue. I just don't have much empathy for em to be honest. Minus the kids every single adult that lives there does so of their own volition. By staying there they are choosing to remain unrepresented. That's the price that they pay by living in the nations capitol which was never intended to become a state due to favoritism issues. And cutting the area down to what is currently held by national government buildings is a mistake imo because it doesn't allow growth. Some might consider that a good thing as they may somehow think that then the government won't be able to grow, stupid mentality imo as the government ALWAYS grows.

    Now if this new State was willing to cede land when the government needs it for expansion purposes then I might be more inclined to accept such a thing. Essentially it'd be more of a status of "Temporary State" or some such. Something which I doubt they'd be willing to do.

    In any case I still think that the land should be ceded back to the original states that gave up land originally in order to form the nations capitol in the first place if we are to accept land being taken away from the capitol just for representative purposes.
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    Re: There is a movement to make the District of Columbia the 51st state

    Quote Originally Posted by Masterhawk View Post
    I'm pretty sure that maryland ceded most of the land used. Maryland and DC have similar political alignments so if the city of columbia got ceded by Maryland, at least the people of DC would be represented. The issue here is that the people of columbia have no representation and are under congress's sore thumb.
    PS: Looked up the info and it was just two states that donated the land. Maryland and Virginia. The closest I could find in how much land was ceded by each was the two cities that were there when DC was founded. Georgetown Maryland, and Alexandria Virginia. Georgetown covered 750 acres and Alexandria covered 15 sq miles. I think those are current size though so don't know the actual size when DC was founded. Or even if all parts of those cities were incorporated into DC. If you can find better info I'd be interested to find out for sure. Don't have to if you don't want to. It's just a curiosity for me and the specifics aren't all that important to the discussion imo. I'm hoping your google powers are stronger than mine.
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    There is a movement to make the District of Columbia the 51st state

    The Federal government can follow the Constitution, Article 1 Section 8 Clause 17, and simply cede the land back to Maryland and Virginia.


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    Re: There is a movement to make the District of Columbia the 51st state

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    The Federal government can follow the Constitution, Article 1 Section 8 Clause 17, and simply cede the land back to Maryland and Virginia.


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    You betcha, these assholes have a pretty good deal, but if they dont want to do it anymore we all know what to do. Gaining the power of a state is not one of the options.
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    Re: There is a movement to make the District of Columbia the 51st state

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Why would you want to do that. It seems alright as it is. Why waste time and political capital in fixing things that aren't broken and even make sense.
    Because the Democrats fear losing some of the fraud they've counted on and "New Columbia" would be a guaranteed two Senators and how ever many representatives. Saner minds say if they want representation they should be part of Maryland but that wouldn't help the Democrats.

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