Girl, 12, busted for writing on desk

TheGirlNextDoor · 02-08-10, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Skateguy

If they don't pay attention, it's the Parents fault, not the Kids. Kids don't raise themselves, Parents do. --Most Parents these days are just older Kids to begin with. which is part of the problem. Children, raising Children.

Let me get this straight.

If my 14 year old son doesn't pay attention in Science class one afternoon... that is my fault.

How. do. you. figure.

If *I* don't pay attention at my board meeting.. is that MY parents' fault?

Where is the cut off for a child growing up and taking responsibility?

Do my children know that I *expect* them to pay attention? You bet your bippy they do. Can I sit in class and hold their hand and/or grab them by the short hairs if I see them start to daydream? I suppose if I were sitting there next to them all through high school and flicked their head when I see them not paying attention - THEN it could be my fault that they weren't.

What do you think?!

Morality Games · 02-08-10, 07:08 PM

I doodled on my desk in elementary school. I've been on the run ever since.

Skateguy · 02-08-10, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor

Let me get this straight.

If my 14 year old son doesn't pay attention in Science class one afternoon... that is my fault.

How. do. you. figure.

If *I* don't pay attention at my board meeting.. is that MY parents' fault?

Where is the cut off for a child growing up and taking responsibility?

Do my children know that I *expect* them to pay attention? You bet your bippy they do. Can I sit in class and hold their hand and/or grab them by the short hairs if I see them start to daydream? I suppose if I were sitting there next to them all through high school and flicked their head when I see them not paying attention - THEN it could be my fault that they weren't.

What do you think?!

I'm far from a perfect Parent. But I had to raise myself from an early age. so I just applied those same rules to raising my Sons. I explained things like the worth of a hand shake, and that a Mans word is his bond. I put them on the Honor system, but kept an eye on them, in the event they strayed. I treated them like little Adults, which is what I was raising. I already had children. Not saying my approach would work for others, it just worked fine for me. I would not change a thing I did. they know I trust them 100%, and what is even more important, they trust themselves.

ZGM · 02-08-10, 07:49 PM

This was obviously the FIRST time Alexa scribbled grafitti on a desk. That's where all the controversy came from. If the principal didn't simply warn her before calling the police, he/she has to resign!

Skateguy · 02-08-10, 09:55 PM

In my day, people would carve stuff in their desk with their knife. Nobody called the Cops though.

B L Zeebub · 02-08-10, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Skateguy

In my day, people would carve stuff in their desk with their knife. Nobody called the Cops though.

your memory is ****e wings, they were writing tablets

bicycleman · 02-09-10, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Skateguy

In my day, people would carve stuff in their desk with their knife. Nobody called the Cops though.

When they caught you, they called your parents. That was worse than calling the cops, but that was when the kids had parents who cared.

Ockham · 02-09-10, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bicycleman

When they caught you, they called your parents. That was worse than calling the cops, but that was when the kids had parents who cared.

Well I think you hit on it. Before (back in the day, whatever you want to call it) a call to the parents was devastating because the kid was not only going to get in trouble and almost assuredly punished - but their embarrassment coupled with the parents disappointment compounded each other well.

I think that's changed in the past 30 years. Now, calling a parent doesn't guarantee a punishment at all. It might even be a 50/50 shot that the parent will threaten to sue or verbally criticize the school and take their child's side even though the parent knows their kid did wrong. The embarrassment / disappointment? I'm not sure it's so devastating and actually it might even raise the kids rep in school --- this may follow the gangsta model that one doesn't have "street cred" unless they've been arrested and jailed by the cops. Then they've arrived so to speak.

My perception is that punishment / embarrassment is a joke a larger majority of kids than ever before. Probably because for those kids, their parents really don't care, don't have time or just don't worry about it. The school has to step in possibly, because parents overall, fail to. That's why these zero tolerance issues exist. If parents took care of the problem at home - cops wouldn't have to arrest 12 year old girls for doodling on the desk.

Skateguy · 02-09-10, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bicycleman

When they caught you, they called your parents. That was worse than calling the cops, but that was when the kids had parents who cared.

the difference is My Parents generation, had just come through very hard times, so they had their mud together. subsequently, each generation has been more and more spoiled, as each generation tries to make it easier for their Kids. which is a big mistake. Making things easy, just makes people weak. and just look around at what we have become.

MyOwnDrum · 02-09-10, 10:25 AM

You make a good point Ockman. However, even in that case it was a huge over-reaction. You're right, parents these days are ready to sue the school for descrimination when their darling is disciplined by the schools.

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