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kids left home alone, die in fire

MaggieD said:
Whether it happens or not is immaterial. The FACT is that it's dead wrong. If I knew anyone​ who left their young children home alone that way, I'd be reporting them to the police department. There is NEVER a good enough excuse to leave a 3-year-old home alone. It is irresponsible. It is against the law. And it is morally reprehensible.
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but what you refuse to address
is that the parent had no better options
but i am willing to listen/read your proposed solutions
 
justabubba said:
no we don't
there are waiting lists for almost all such programs to care for children
at least in my community



because you PREFER not to see it
because you are without any answers to the problem
and mostly, because this is not a problem you must personally face
so, since it is not your problem, then you pretend it is not a real problem - for others

i have not disagreed with that perspective this entire thread
but what i have noted is that some - millions actually - they face this dilemma each and every work day
go to work and earn a living to support their kids or stay home and go withot an income to cover their family's needs
it is a sophie's choice. and many opt for the income
while you fault their choice, i notice that you are unable to offer any alternative options to relieve them of their having to make that same choice every work day
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This is a problem that YOU are making up. There are PLENTY of options out there, you have to be motivated and LOOK for them. Yes, daycare vouchers are offered to help people. IF you fall below the poverty guidelines, you are entitled to all kinds of help. You are crying wolf.

The choice is CLEAR. You provide supervision for your children. If you cannot do that and prefer to put their lives in danger, then you should lose custody of those children, so that they can be placed in more appropriate situation.
 
ChrisL said:
That's too bad. You don't leave small children unattended because they can DIE.
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they ca die while they are attended
what's your point?
prefer to have the child go without their needs being met because the parent chose not to work and earn an income?
 
justabubba said:
but what you refuse to address
is that the parent had no better options
but i am willing to listen/read your proposed solutions
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I've listed plenty of proposed solutions. If a mother can't take advantage of any of those proposed solutions, the "solution" is not to leave her children home alone. The solution is that her children should be removed from her and placed in a home that can.
 
justabubba said:
they ca die while they are attended
what's your point?
prefer to have the child go without their needs being met because the parent chose not to work and earn an income?
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No, they should be removed from the current dangerous situation that they are placed in.
 
ChrisL said:
This is a problem that YOU are making up. There are PLENTY of options out there, you have to be motivated and LOOK for them. Yes, daycare vouchers are offered to help people. IF you fall below the poverty guidelines, you are entitled to all kinds of help. You are crying wolf.
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and you haven't a clue what you are posting about
child care subsidies have been slashed
there is a waiting list
offered clue: when on a waiting list the applicant does not enjoy the services that are being offered

The choice is CLEAR. You provide supervision for your children.
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good, you have made your CLEAR choice: stay home with your child and forgo earning an income


If you cannot do that and prefer to put their lives in danger, then you should lose custody of those children, so that they can be placed in more appropriate situation.
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and if you are without the means to provide for your child that child will be removed from the home by social services

notice how you have arrived at the same outcome as the parent who lost their children because they were not staying home with them
congratulations [/sarcasm]

however, the parent who is able to conceal that they leave their child unattended while they earn an income does not lose their child to social services
why have they not made the better choice?
 
justabubba said:
and you haven't a clue what you are posting about
child care subsidies have been slashed
there is a waiting list
offered clue: when on a waiting list the applicant does not enjoy the services that are being offered
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Then you effing wait!!!


good, you have made your CLEAR choice: stay home with your child and forgo earning an income
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If you cannot find responsible arrangements for childcare, then most certainly.


and if you are without the means to provide for your child that child will be removed from the home by social services
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Then it's obviously in the BEST interest of the CHILD.

notice how you have arrived at the same outcome as the parent who lost their children because they were not staying home with them
congratulations [/sarcasm]

however, the parent who is able to conceal that they leave their child unattended while they earn an income does not lose their child to social services
why have they not made the better choice?
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Look this argument is ridiculous. You are responsible for the safety of your children. If the situation is as dire as you suggest, either the child has to be left alone or starve, then MOST DEFINITELY the child should be removed from that situation. Obviously the parent is unable to properly care for said child.
 
ChrisL said:
Then you effing wait!!!




If you cannot find responsible arrangements for childcare, then most certainly.




Then it's obviously in the BEST interest of the CHILD.

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Look this argument is ridiculous. You are responsible for the safety of your children. If the situation is as dire as you suggest, either the child has to be left alone or starve, then MOST DEFINITELY the child should be removed from that situation. Obviously the parent is unable to properly care for said child.
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you say it is a ridiculous circumstance
and i do not disagree with that assessment
but the reality is that millions of kids are placed in this vulnerable situation each work day
and that IS ridiculous
what is more ridiculous is that nothing is being done to address it
probably because the options are as weak as those found within this thread
 
justabubba said:
not if you have no sick leave, or work for an employer who will fire you and hire another low skill employee. it's not like the employer doesn't have a lot of willing prospective job takers




they are still in mexico ... or not within commuting distance ...


the one who also works. how is she going to work and take care of your kids?


if you are faced with sophie's choice, you DO
because it is work and earn an income or keep your kids yourself and be unable to provide for them. when that happens, social services will eventually step in and take them from you
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You NEVER leave toddlers home un attended for ANY reason. Especially why these to Obama voters did.
 
CRUE CAB said:
You NEVER leave toddlers home un attended for ANY reason. Especially why these to Obama voters did.
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you are the last person in this forum i would have expected to come forward and volunteer to have the government expand to provide these needed child care services
now to see if that is true growth on your part or more hypocrisy
 
justabubba said:
you say it is a ridiculous circumstance
and i do not disagree with that assessment
but the reality is that millions of kids are placed in this vulnerable situation each work day
and that IS ridiculous
what is more ridiculous is that nothing is being done to address it
probably because the options are as weak as those found within this thread
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The options are simple. Provide proper supervision for your children, or they should be removed from your home and placed into a better situation.
 
ChrisL said:
The options are simple. Provide proper supervision for your children, or they should be removed from your home and placed into a better situation.
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great idea
we take millions of kids from their present homes and place them



elsewhere

amazing solution. i see a nobel in your future
 
justabubba said:
great idea
we take millions of kids from their present homes and place them



elsewhere

amazing solution. i see a nobel in your future
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Oh, Millions huh? Hyperbole alert. :roll: Let's see your link about these "millions" of toddlers and babies in the US who are left with no adult supervision.
 
ChrisL said:
Oh, Millions huh? Hyperbole alert. :roll: Let's see your link about these "millions" of toddlers and babies in the US who are left with no adult supervision.
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just as soon as you give us the number of unreported abortions for last year
 
justabubba said:
just as soon as you give us the number of unreported abortions for last year
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I am not the one making outrageous and ridiculous claims, am I? :) No, that would be yourself, so if you are going to make these claims, then you are the one who needs to back that up, or else it's nothing but speculation.
 
justabubba said:
great idea
we take millions of kids from their present homes and place them

elsewhere

amazing solution. i see a nobel in your future
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Please provide something other than your flapping gums that shows millions of parents are faced with the dilemma of either starving or going to work and leaving their toddler children home alone.
 
justabubba said:
great idea
we take millions of kids from their present homes and place them



elsewhere

amazing solution. i see a nobel in your future
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LOL.

So, step up and offer your own solution.

Your nobel could be waiting...
 
MaggieD said:
Please provide something other than your flapping gums that shows millions of parents are faced with the dilemma of either starving or going to work and leaving their toddler children home alone.
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don't waste your breath. I once spent several hours arguing with Bubba because he claimed that a guy who washed out of basic training was a "veteran"
 
justabubba said:
you are the last person in this forum i would have expected to come forward and volunteer to have the government expand to provide these needed child care services
now to see if that is true growth on your part or more hypocrisy
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Defending and protecting your children is job number one no matter how you do it. Anything less is piss poor parenting.
We can rebuild countries in the ME that we go to war with but we cant figure a way to not have OUR citizens not endanger their children. It dosent have to be a permanent situation or expence. But it has to be a way.
But all this is thread drift. These two animals left those children alone for NO GOOD REASON.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Defending and protecting your children is job number one no matter how you do it. Anything less is piss poor parenting.
We can rebuild countries in the ME that we go to war with but we cant figure a way to not have OUR citizens not endanger their children. It dosent have to be a permanent situation or expence. But it has to be a way.
But all this is thread drift. These two animals left those children alone for NO GOOD REASON.
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so, it would have been better if they left the kids home alone for a good reason
interesting take
 
CRUE CAB said:
Defending and protecting your children is job number one no matter how you do it. Anything less is piss poor parenting.
We can rebuild countries in the ME that we go to war with but we cant figure a way to not have OUR citizens not endanger their children. It dosent have to be a permanent situation or expence. But it has to be a way.
But all this is thread drift. These two animals left those children alone for NO GOOD REASON.
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Yes, this is just one reason why I would like to see us stop giving aid to foreign countries. I would rather my tax money go to help my own fellow citizens.
 
These kids weren't 11-12 years old, old enough to pour themselves a bowl of cereal, make a sandwich, dial 911 and get themselves out of a burning house.

These were babies, too young to even feed themselves, and the 2 yr old probably wasn't even potty trained. You simply cannot abandon babies for 8-10 hours a day and expect them to survive the ordeal. Unless they are rescued by CPS or concerned relatives, those babies are already dead... they simply haven't stopped breathing yet; but eventually, they will.

There is no excuse, NO excuse for leaving babies alone for any length of time, let alone leave them for an entire workday! It is utterly nuts to defend such indefensible neglect, and the inevitable tragedy that will result.
 
DiAnna said:
These kids weren't 11-12 years old, old enough to pour themselves a bowl of cereal, make a sandwich, dial 911 and get themselves out of a burning house.

These were babies, too young to even feed themselves, and the 2 yr old probably wasn't even potty trained. You simply cannot abandon babies for 8-10 hours a day and expect them to survive the ordeal. Unless they are rescued by CPS or concerned relatives, those babies are already dead... they simply haven't stopped breathing yet; but eventually, they will.

There is no excuse, NO excuse for leaving babies alone for any length of time, let alone leave them for an entire workday! It is utterly nuts to defend such indefensible neglect, and the inevitable tragedy that will result.
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exactly. it's not a matter of IF, it's a matter of when.
 
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