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kids left home alone, die in fire

americanwoman said:
I would be. There is NO reason to leave children like that at home alone. If she doesn't qualify for title XX then stay the **** home with your kids and collect welfare. Then again that would be for someone who actually gives a **** about their children and gets help that is available for mothers who need help. I know plenty of single moms who do it so there is no excuse.
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so, your "solution" is to quit working and stay at home and draw welfare
there are projects full of people who do subscribe to your solution
 
MaggieD said:
Posted on another forum a few years ago:



Major infraction for my response. People are nuckin' futz.
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WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

totally worth the infraction!!!!!!!!!

I wish you had her info to turn her into CYS
 
MaggieD said:
Posted on another forum a few years ago:



Major infraction for my response. People are nuckin' futz.
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Who was that? Casey Anthony?
 
justabubba said:
so, your "solution" is to quit working and stay at home and draw welfare
there are projects full of people who do subscribe to your solution
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If your solution is to leave your 2- and 3-year-old home alone while you work, there's something wrong with you.
 
OscarB63 said:
yes.

Community Child Care Council of Santa Clara County, Inc : I am a Parent : Needing Help Paying for Child Care : Free or Low Cost Child Care Programs

plenty of lowcost childcare options available to the working poor.
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unfortunately, not any more
those funds dried up
there is a huge waiting list, at least in my berg, for subsidized child care
ditto for head start

as a union rep in a federal office i dealt with single mothers who were without sick leave. they had to choose between leaving their kids home alone - when the kids were sick - and keeping their job
 
justabubba said:
there are literally millions of kids in a similar circumstance
what should be done about them?


in this country, we must have a license to do something so mundane as to go fishing
but anyone can have a kid
and if they are in poverty, we will then supply them with a home and a check
we - as a nation - incentivize this behavior
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I don't necessarily have a problem with the welfare program if somebody NEEDS a temporary helping hand. THAT is what it was originally for. What people need to do is to get an education and better themselves while collecting welfare. That's the problem. There is no incentive for them to do this. If a single mom needs to get an education to better herself and get off the system, then I would certainly not have a problem with my tax money going for this.

However, this is not such a case. This is a case of pure neglect. Obviously these women could have brought the children with them.
 
MaggieD said:
If your solution is to leave your 2- and 3-year-old home alone while you work, there's something wrong with you.
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maggie, thought you were one of those who was strongly opposed to welfare
for your taxes being used to pay people not to work
these people (women mostly) face a sophie's choice: stay home with their sick kids or lose their work income
you respond as if they actually have options
 
justabubba said:
so, your "solution" is to quit working and stay at home and draw welfare
there are projects full of people who do subscribe to your solution
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If someone who has little children and for some reason doesn't qualify for child care help and has no one to assist in caring for her children what is your solution? **** the kids they better get left alone so mama can have a job and not get help, or what?
 
ChrisL said:
I don't necessarily have a problem with the welfare program if somebody NEEDS a temporary helping hand. THAT is what it was originally for. What people need to do is to get an education and better themselves while collecting welfare. That's the problem. There is no incentive for them to do this. If a single mom needs to get an education to better herself and get off the system, then I would certainly not have a problem with my tax money going for this.

However, this is not such a case. This is a case of pure neglect. Obviously these women could have brought the children with them.
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and in this particular incident, we are in agreement. the women should have taken the kids - or one should have stayed home since both were not needed to drive the car

but this incident speaks to the reality that millions of young kids are left home alone every work day, by parents/parent who must choose between continued employment/income and staying at home caring for their kids
 
justabubba said:
maggie, thought you were one of those who was strongly opposed to welfare
for your taxes being used to pay people not to work
these people (women mostly) face a sophie's choice: stay home with their sick kids or lose their work income
you respond as if they actually have options
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Why are you diverting the discussion to welfare fraud and abuse?

I don't care what kind of choices people have. You don't leave 2- and 3-year-olds home alone. You call in sick. You call your neighbor. You call your baby's daddy . . . you call your mom, your aunt, your friend.

What you don't do is leave young children home alone. I can't even imagine having to have this conversation with you. Unfreakin'believable.
 
americanwoman said:
If someone who has little children and for some reason doesn't qualify for child care help and has no one to assist in caring for her children what is your solution? **** the kids they better get left alone so mama can have a job and not get help, or what?
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i asked you that question first
what is that single parent's preferred option: continued employment/family income or staying home with the kids
 
justabubba said:
and in this particular incident, we are in agreement. the women should have taken the kids - or one should have stayed home since both were not needed to drive the car

but this incident speaks to the reality that millions of young kids are left home alone every work day, by parents/parent who must choose between continued employment/income and staying at home caring for their kids
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Then you suffer for the safety of your children. If you had kids and no sitter, it is a no brainer. You stay home with the kids, or make alternative arrangements for them, even bringing them in with you.

I also remember going to work with my mom a few times when I was young and had the day off from school, and she and my dad still had to work.

Really, you have no business accepting a job if you don't have arrangements for your children to be properly cared for while you're away from them.
 
ChrisL said:
Then you suffer for the safety of your children. If you had kids and no sitter, it is a no brainer. You stay home with the kids, or make alternative arrangements for them, even bringing them in with you.

I also remember going to work with my mom a few times when I was young and had the day off from school, and she and my dad still had to work.

Really, you have no business accepting a job if you don't have arrangements for your children to be properly cared for while you're away from them.
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Exacty and if you need help while makin those arrangements and a flexible job that is what it is for.
 
MaggieD said:
Why are you diverting the discussion to welfare fraud and abuse?
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because similar situations - where the parent(s) is forced to make a choice between continued work income and caring for the kids - happens in millions of homes each work day

I don't care what kind of choices people have. You don't leave 2- and 3-year-olds home alone. You call in sick.
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not if you have no sick leave, or work for an employer who will fire you and hire another low skill employee. it's not like the employer doesn't have a lot of willing prospective job takers

You call your neighbor.
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i have lived in this house for 28 years and know the occupants of five neighboring homes. only one of those do i know well enough to ask that kind of favor; and since they are flight attendants, it would only be possible wen they were not on duty themselves
that is 28 years in a nice neighborhood. don't see that as comparable to the typical working mom's circumstance. don't see a whole lot of folks offering free child care. don't see anyone offering child care for sick kids, even for payment ... assuming they could afford to pay it from their minimum wages

You call your baby's daddy
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the dude that only comes around the first of each month on "father's day" to get his slice of the welfare check? sorry maggie, but she is employed. doubt the baby daddy is still in the picture. and if he is then why isn't he being forced by the courts to pay for the child's welfare
in short, you have offered an option that is rarely viable

. . . you call your mom, your aunt,
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they are still in mexico ... or not within commuting distance ...

your friend.
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the one who also works. how is she going to work and take care of your kids?

What you don't do is leave young children home alone.
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if you are faced with sophie's choice, you DO
because it is work and earn an income or keep your kids yourself and be unable to provide for them. when that happens, social services will eventually step in and take them from you

I can't even imagine having to have this conversation with you. Unfreakin'believable.
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you have a poor imagination then, maggie
you are unable to "appreciate" the plight that MILLIONS of parents - especially poor, under-skilled single parents - face every working day
that you cannot believe it does not make the reality go away
 
americanwoman said:
I would put my child first over anything. No doubt.
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ok. then you keep your child but yo have no income to provide for the child
then social services steps in and removes the child from the home
excellent choice
 
justabubba said:
ok. then you keep your child but yo have no income to provide for the child
then social services steps in and removes the child from the home
excellent choice
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PLENTY of poor people find a way. Why are you making excuses for child neglect?
 
ChrisL said:
Then you suffer for the safety of your children. If you had kids and no sitter, it is a no brainer. You stay home with the kids, or make alternative arrangements for them, even bringing them in with you.
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that works - IF you are able to take the kids where you are going
which is not always possible

I also remember going to work with my mom a few times when I was young and had the day off from school, and she and my dad still had to work.
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they were fortunate their employer tolerated that
it could not happen in my federal work place
doubt a restaurant would tolerate it, or a bar, or a manufacturer. the point is, that is not a viable option for a lot of people

Really, you have no business accepting a job if you don't have arrangements for your children to be properly cared for while you're away from them.
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don't know about you but my kids acquired this nasty habit of eating. i needed the job to be able to support their eating habit. amazing you have kids whose welfare does not require an income
 
justabubba said:
that works - IF you are able to take the kids where you are going
which is not always possible


they were fortunate their employer tolerated that
it could not happen in my federal work place
doubt a restaurant would tolerate it, or a bar, or a manufacturer. the point is, that is not a viable option for a lot of people


don't know about you but my kids acquired this nasty habit of eating. i needed the job to be able to support their eating habit. amazing you have kids whose welfare does not require an income
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We have all kinds of social programs to help these people. I fail to see what you are complaining about. What you SHOULD be concerned about is people leaving 2 and 3-year-old children unattended. That is sheer stupidity.
 
ChrisL said:
PLENTY of poor people find a way. Why are you making excuses for child neglect?
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it is not willful neglect
most of the parents in this situation would love to have a better option
but they don't
so they work and leave the small kids unattended
because they must
because they have no better option
 
justabubba said:
it is not willful neglect
most of the parents in this situation would love to have a better option
but they don't
so they work and leave the small kids unattended
because they must
because they have no better option
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That's too bad. You don't leave small children unattended because they can DIE.
 
justabubba said:
because similar situations - where the parent(s) is forced to make a choice between continued work income and caring for the kids - happens in millions of homes each work day


not if you have no sick leave, or work for an employer who will fire you and hire another low skill employee. it's not like the employer doesn't have a lot of willing prospective job takers


i have lived in this house for 28 years and know the occupants of five neighboring homes. only one of those do i know well enough to ask that kind of favor; and since they are flight attendants, it would only be possible wen they were not on duty themselves
that is 28 years in a nice neighborhood. don't see that as comparable to the typical working mom's circumstance. don't see a whole lot of folks offering free child care. don't see anyone offering child care for sick kids, even for payment ... assuming they could afford to pay it from their minimum wages


the dude that only comes around the first of each month on "father's day" to get his slice of the welfare check? sorry maggie, but she is employed. doubt the baby daddy is still in the picture. and if he is then why isn't he being forced by the courts to pay for the child's welfare
in short, you have offered an option that is rarely viable


they are still in mexico ... or not within commuting distance ...


the one who also works. how is she going to work and take care of your kids?


if you are faced with sophie's choice, you DO
because it is work and earn an income or keep your kids yourself and be unable to provide for them. when that happens, social services will eventually step in and take them from you


you have a poor imagination then, maggie
you are unable to "appreciate" the plight that MILLIONS of parents - especially poor, under-skilled single parents - face every working day
that you cannot believe it does not make the reality go away
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Whether it happens or not is immaterial. The FACT is that it's dead wrong. If I knew anyone​ who left their young children home alone that way, I'd be reporting them to the police department. There is NEVER a good enough excuse to leave a 3-year-old home alone. It is irresponsible. It is against the law. And it is morally reprehensible.
 
ChrisL said:
We have all kinds of social programs to help these people.
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no we don't
there are waiting lists for almost all such programs to care for children
at least in my community


I fail to see what you are complaining about.
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because you PREFER not to see it
because you are without any answers to the problem
and mostly, because this is not a problem you must personally face
so, since it is not your problem, then you pretend it is not a real problem - for others
What you SHOULD be concerned about is people leaving 2 and 3-year-old children unattended. That is sheer stupidity.
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i have not disagreed with that perspective this entire thread
but what i have noted is that some - millions actually - they face this dilemma each and every work day
go to work and earn a living to support their kids or stay home and go withot an income to cover their family's needs
it is a sophie's choice. and many opt for the income
while you fault their choice, i notice that you are unable to offer any alternative options to relieve them of their having to make that same choice every work day
 
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