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    fyi Why Japan Attacked Pearl Harbor

    The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor for different reasons:-
    • President Roosevelt had banned all exports of scrap iron, steel and oil to Japan. The reason for the embargo was the Japanese invasion of China. Japan had lost more than 90% of its oil supply. This crippled their economy and military.
    • The belief that Western powers were hostile to Japan.
    • The United States wanted Japan to withdraw from Indo-China.
    • The US opposed Japanese expansion and Japan’s demands were not being achieved by diplomacy.
    • The Japanese were keen on expanding their empire and had to make a decision between surrendering or going to war with the United States.
    • They wanted the US to acquiesce to their expansion into Asia.
    • Pearl Harbor was the home of the U.S. Pacific Fleet. Japan did not want the U.S. in the war because the U.S at this time had the greatest Naval force. They concluded that if the Pacific Fleet was destroyed, Americans would feel demoralized and not want to fight.
    • The belief that Japan could defeat the United States. They convinced themselves that a devastating attack would dishearten the Americans and lead to cracks in the fabric of the American society that would threaten its stability.
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    Re: Why Japan Attacked Pearl Harbor

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    And so we just annihilated them.

    I guess it didn't work out too well.

    But it is important to know - it seems that people, shows, etc - tend to mull over the extreme situation (ie: the act of attacking Pearl Harbor) rather than the preceding yet more important events to comprehend and avoid in the future (aka: why they were led to the extreme situation).

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    Re: Why Japan Attacked Pearl Harbor

    The U.S. embargo cut off oil needed to fuel the Japanese war machine. The only months supply left, the aggressive government had to choose between invading the Indonesian oil and giving up on its imperial ambitions. Technically, they didn't need to declare war on the U.S. to do that, but leaving the Phillipines unguarded would have been a major risk if the U.S. had decided to intervene anyways. It is quite ironic that the architect of the plan to attack pearl harbor was actually against the war itself. Yamamoto recognized the might of the U.S. industrial base and new that there was no hope in a drawn out struggle.

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    Re: Why Japan Attacked Pearl Harbor

    Japan attacked pearl harbor because we stopped exporting oil to them and yeah that's right at one time the U.S. EXPORTED oil haha

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    Re: Why Japan Attacked Pearl Harbor

    I read that Stalin played an intelligence and propaganda campaign in Japan, because he didn't want a two front war.
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    Re: Why Japan Attacked Pearl Harbor

    Hmmm, let's look at this, shall we?

    The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor for different reasons:-
    •President Roosevelt had banned all exports of scrap iron, steel and oil to Japan. The reason for the embargo was the Japanese invasion of China. Japan had lost more than 90% of its oil supply. This crippled their economy and military.

    Not true. Because Japan had occupied part of China legally since 1919. That's right, Japan was occupying China since the end of the First World War, when they took over the German Occupation District.

    What the US and other nations objected to was the attempts by Japan to expand their area of occupation, to be specific the Rape of Nanking, and other similar atrocities done by Japan. If they had not done such actions, they still would have occupied China, and there would not have been an embargo.

    •The belief that Western powers were hostile to Japan.

    Not true. It was their belief that no Western powers had a right to be in Asia, and that all should be removed. Look into the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere and you will see what it is they wanted.

    •The United States wanted Japan to withdraw from Indo-China.

    Not true. The United States, England, Germany (and then Japan), France, Russia (ended with the creation of the USSR), Denmark, Italy, Portugal, Norway, Sweden, Austria, Spain, and the Netherlands all occupied parts of China.

    However, none of these other powers were action in a warlike and expansionistic manner to the people of China.

    •The US opposed Japanese expansion and Japan’s demands were not being achieved by diplomacy.

    Well, this makes no sense, but I will try and make sense of it.

    Yes, the US was opposed to the expansionism of Japan in China. The entire concept of the Foreign Occupation was to try and bring civility to the Chinese Civil Wars. The hope was that the nations could help bring stability to the region, and safeguard the cities and most of the people. They kept trading districts and ports open, and ensured that law and order was maintained. And that once a strong central government came to power (which was starting to happen by the 1930's), they could pull out their foreign forces and maintain trade colonies to maintain trade and relations (like Hong Kong).

    However, the Japanese wanted to control everything. And there was no diplomatic answer, since the Japanese wanted everything. How can you negotiate with that?

    Leage of Nations Diplomat: How about we give you a bigger region to control along the Yangtze River?
    Japanese Diplomat: It is all ours, everybody else must leave.
    LON Diplomat: Well, how about more land to control to the North?
    Japanese Diplomat: It is all ours, everybody else must leave.

    How do you negotiate with that?

    •The Japanese were keen on expanding their empire and had to make a decision between surrendering or going to war with the United States.

    True. And that is what caused the war, not the fact that they were an Empire. It is that they were an expansionistic empire with a belief in racial superiority.

    •They wanted the US to acquiesce to their expansion into Asia.

    They wanted everybody to acquiesce to this, not just the United States. When WWII started, they also attacked the territory and forces of France, the United Kingdom, Australia, the Netherlands, and many others. Just like they had done earlier in Korea, Okinawa, China, Manchuria, and other nations.

    Many people seem to forget, WWII in the Pacific was not just Japan against the US, but Japan against every other nation in the region.

    •Pearl Harbor was the home of the U.S. Pacific Fleet. Japan did not want the U.S. in the war because the U.S at this time had the greatest Naval force. They concluded that if the Pacific Fleet was destroyed, Americans would feel demoralized and not want to fight.

    Actually, the Japanese Navy was superior to that of the United States at the time. They had more capitol ships, and better ones. The US was just starting it's build up when the war started, and it took several more years for them to catch up with Japan, and then pass them through attrition and superior technology and tactics.

    And the belief that the US would not fight back was given to the Japanese People, but not seriously believed by the leaders of the nation. They were relying on the Japanese Superiority Myth to hopefully pull them through a war of attrition they knew they could not win.

    •The belief that Japan could defeat the United States. They convinced themselves that a devastating attack would dishearten the Americans and lead to cracks in the fabric of the American society that would threaten its stability.

    Nope. Their belief is that the US would look at the cost of taking over Japan, and decide it was not worth the cost. And that since the US was a nation of Traders and not "True Warriors", that there would be several battles, and that in the end the US would negotiate a peace treaty similar to the status quo ante bellum, but giving over the Philippines, their interest in China, and agreeing to stay out of the new Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.

    You really need to expand your understanding of the causes and effects of WWII, in addition to the wars and treaties that set the groundwork for that war. Almost every thing you stated is either totally wrong, or looking at what really happened through distorted glasses, ignoring everything the writer did not want to talk about.

    But do not listen to me, go and find out for yourself. There are a great many books written about WWII in the Pacific, read them. I also recommend you read about the Boxer Rebellion, and the founding of the International Community. That will give you an idea on how the Foreign Occupation of China started, and how China got involved in it.
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    Re: Why Japan Attacked Pearl Harbor

    Pearl Harbor was the home of the U.S. Pacific Fleet. Japan did not want the U.S. in the war because the U.S at this time had the greatest Naval force. They concluded that if the Pacific Fleet was destroyed, Americans would feel demoralized and not want to fight.
    The Japanese thought that destroying the U.S. Aircraft Carriers was their most significant mission, which, officially were on a training mission away from Pearl Harbor. My father, who was on the U.S.S. Enterprise at the time, said once that many of the crew thought the real mission that day was looking for Japanese submarines.

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    Re: Why Japan Attacked Pearl Harbor

    It probably goes back to the politics of the time, the moderate japanese politicals had been margenized through intimidation, assasination, the Military had taken over the Government for a long time and the Emperor was also inolved in going along with their views.

    The people , the Army had been been brainwashed in Bushido..the leaders of the military were no longer content to be a minor power under the USA, French , Dutch, English in their sphere of influence..whjy they went intio China , who had no oil to speak of I don't understand..basically their leaders made drastic mistakes, oposiibkle because they really knew so little about the Western World..though there were military leaders who had served over seas, but it seems the real leadership, Tojo and his supporters really had no clue as to what they would be facing, also by cozying up to Germany they saw what a strong military could accomplish and felt they could do the same thing in Asia that Hitler was going to be doing in Europe..

    Also their success years earlier against the Tsars fleet and it's destruction gave them a false sense of superiority..

    Better leadership by them, they probably could have worked something out but didn't want to giive it time, also to wait to see what went down in Europe...

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    Re: Why Japan Attacked Pearl Harbor

    Them attacking us was merely a cry for help.... shame really...

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    Re: Why Japan Attacked Pearl Harbor

    Quote Originally Posted by greenlantern11b View Post
    Them attacking us was merely a cry for help.... shame really...
    We gave them the help they needed.
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