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Marine Corps. vs Army

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Pros and Cons of both? I have heard a lot talk about the Army being a lumbering beast that can't get anything done, or the Marine Corps. be way too gung ho to get the job done... Anyway, I want differing opinions.
 
Pros and Cons of both? I have heard a lot talk about the Army being a lumbering beast that can't get anything done, or the Marine Corps. be way too gung ho to get the job done... Anyway, I want differing opinions.

They both suck because they need to have the USAF and US Naval Air come in and save there arse all of the time.:mrgreen::rofl
 
The US Marine Corps is the designated "force in readiness." In other words, when it hits the fan, while the Army is getting geared up, the Marines are already kicking ass and taking names.

The Marines provide security for all US Embassies, under Title 10 USC §5983.

So, when a job needs to be done right, and done right away, DoD policy is to give it to the Marines.

And that's the fact, jack! ;)
 
Pros and Cons of both? I have heard a lot talk about the Army being a lumbering beast that can't get anything done, or the Marine Corps. be way too gung ho to get the job done... Anyway, I want differing opinions.

Both are designed to kill our Enemies...I can't find fault in that.:lol:

Where's the problem?
 
The US Marine Corps is the designated "force in readiness." In other words, when it hits the fan, while the Army is getting geared up, the Marines are already kicking ass and taking names.

The Marines provide security for all US Embassies, under Title 10 USC §5983.

So, when a job needs to be done right, and done right away, DoD policy is to give it to the Marines.

And that's the fact, jack! ;)

Yea but with out the Navy your aint going anywhere Jack and that is the true fact:mrgreen:
 
Yea but with out the Navy your aint going anywhere Jack and that is the true fact:mrgreen:
And the Marines greatly appreciate the seafaring taxi drivers.....would suck to have to swim to the fight!:mrgreen::mrgreen:
 
They both suck because they need to have the USAF and US Naval Air come in and save there arse all of the time.:mrgreen::rofl

The Marines have their own air combat element consisting of rotary wing and fixed wing, that can supply XCAS, CAS, A/G and A/A coverage over a specific battleground area.

We do need the Navy for a ride over though.
 
The Marines have their own air combat element consisting of rotary wing and fixed wing, that can supply XCAS, CAS, A/G and A/A coverage over a specific battleground area.

We do need the Navy for a ride over though.

Marine Air oh come on Crip all it is are the Navy worn out left overs and stuff that the Navy would never want(IE V-22). :mrgreen::rofl:2wave::cool:
 
Pros and Cons of both? I have heard a lot talk about the Army being a lumbering beast that can't get anything done, or the Marine Corps. be way too gung ho to get the job done... Anyway, I want differing opinions.

The Army typically deploys for longer periods of time than Marines do. The typical Marine deployment is 6-7 months before rotating back. The Army has been keeping guys overseas for 15-18 months at a time.

Thats one pro/con I can think of off the top of my head that isn't just some back and forht boasting between the branches.
 
Marine Air oh come on Crip all it is are the Navy worn out left overs and stuff that the Navy would never want(IE V-22). :mrgreen::rofl:2wave::cool:

Well the Navy controls our budget, so we do what any great military organization would do. Improvise, adapt and overcome.
 
Marine Air oh come on Crip all it is are the Navy worn out left overs and stuff that the Navy would never want(IE V-22). :mrgreen::rofl:2wave::cool:
http://www.f-16.net/news_article3272.html
February 12, 2009 (by Mark Abramson) - The military’s next stealth fighter jet, the versatile F-35 or Joint Strike Fighter, is slated to roar into action in 2012 when it enters service with the Marines.

The Air Force, which recently named 10 instructor pilots to help start the program, will be the next service to fly the single-engine multirole aircraft in 2013.

The Navy will start flying it in 2015, officials with the Joint Strike Fighter Program said in an e-mail. Eight other countries have partnered with the United States on the program, including the United Kingdom, Italy, Canada, Australia, Turkey and Denmark. Israel and Singapore are in talks to purchase the aircraft as well.
 
Well the Navy controls our budget, so we do what any great military organization would do. Improvise, adapt and overcome.

If it really gets "rough",,,just 1 Trident can take out an entire "Major Land Mass"...;) I serviced the "Fast Attacks" while in the Navy. Our "Boomers" remain safe.
 

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This is what I've heard from an Army friend of mine (of course most of it is probably BS as I was high).

Marines train longer in Boot Camp (a couple of weeks?). They typically spend more time on the fundamentals and are essentially the grunts of the armed forces. They are also well trained and absolutely crazy (his words, not mine).
 
They both belong to the same military, so.. wtf?
 
They both belong to the same military, so.. wtf?

The Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS also "belong to the same military" but I would much rather face the earlier than the latter.

The military is a vague thing... The Marines and Army are two outfits with similar functions and training. It's not taboo to compare their pros and cons.
 
I heard there's more room for individualism in the army than in the marine corps.
 
The Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS also "belong to the same military" but I would much rather face the earlier than the latter.

The military is a vague thing... The Marines and Army are two outfits with similar functions and training. It's not taboo to compare their pros and cons.

There's noting wrong with comparing the pros and cons of either branch, but first, we have to understand what thsoe pros and cons are.

Personally, I think both are highly professional and highly technically and tactically proficient warfighters, who have kicked ass in every war they've served in since 17 June 1775.

Their battlefield capabilities almost mirror each other. The Corps is by far the finest amphibious assault force the world has ever known. It's their forte', to be sure. They invented it, they perfected it, it's a science that they understand better than almost anyone.

The Army, on the other hand, has airborne delivery capabilities that are un-matched in the history of warfare. Army airborne and air assult forces can have a brigade of infantry, with all it's support, on the ground, ready to engage the enemy in an hour. That's untouchable, even on the modern asymetric battlefield.

I think basic training for the Army should be extended to the same length as the Corps. I always liked that about the Corps. I also like how their marskmanship training reaches out to 500m (or is it 800m?). I always felt like the Army should train at those distances. They may now, but as late as 200, they weren't. The Army's logistics are head and shoulders above the Corps. What's that saying? "If you want logistics, join the Army..."

We always here about, "Marines this and Marines that", from the Marine vets, but something that I don't think most folks understand, is that alot of Marine MOS's are trained at Army schools. Most of the schooling I received was along side Marines, as well as some Navy and Air Force personel: jump school, ranger school, BUDS, small arms school. While at Aberdeen Proving Grounds, I saw Marines training in all the other MOS course, as well. If I'm not mistaken Marines attend the Army's M-1 master gunner's course at Fort Knox. Someone told me that once, so I dunno.

me, I joined the Army because the Corps doesn't issue a CIB.
 
The Navy has taken a lot of the fun out of the fight for our elite, fighting machine, The United States Marines.

No more storming the beaches. :( After the Navy chews it up, there's nobody left to kill! Damn Squid's. :rofl

All those tanks. :roll: Too easy.

What happened to the good ol' days when we had to walk across bodies to get to the fight?

The Navy. That's what happened.

You guys keep talkin' the smack. Truth is, the Navy and Marines, together, are an unstoppable force. Our finest serve in both.

They both do an equally important job. The Marines get up close and personal with it. The Navy clears the path. 10,000 Marines can take on anyone. The Navy helps to see that 10,000 actually make it there and that they live long enough to fight.

Like I said before, much respect to The Marine. Ooo-rah!?! Hell yeah.

But a lifetime of "up close and personal" can't compare to the body count of what some skinny USN geek can do in a matter of seconds. All from the comfort of his environmentally controlled, firecontrol console.
 
Our Marines think there the best, our Paras think there the best, our Guards think there the best..... Thats what makes the UK fighting force the Best:lol:

Paul
 
This is what I've heard from an Army friend of mine (of course most of it is probably BS as I was high).

Marines train longer in Boot Camp (a couple of weeks?). They typically spend more time on the fundamentals and are essentially the grunts of the armed forces. They are also well trained and absolutely crazy (his words, not mine).

The Marine boot camp is about twice as long as that of the Army.

Army boot camp is 6 weeks long, about a month and a half. The Marines on the other hand train for just over 3 months. And from everything I have both experienced and been told, it is much more intense as well.

I heard of "Weekend Passes" and "On Base Liberties" for Army recruits, but I can tell you that as a Marine, there was no such thing. Our only "Liberty" during our entire training was for 4 hours, the Sunday before graduation.

And it shows. If you march a platoon of Marines in civies and a platoon of Soldiers in civies, anybody can spot the difference. The bearing and carriage is that distinct.

2 years ago, I went through the Army "Warrior Transition Course", where they train prior service and soldiers out of the service for more then 5 years how to be "New Soldiers". And the first day, the Drill Sergeant watched me and said "I can tell, you used to be a Marine." The way we carry ourselves is that distinct.

But as for why the 2 services are different, it has to do with a lot of things. The mission is a big part of it, and in addition the size of each.

Over my 10 years as a Marine, I would run into others I served with fairly often. I may run into a guy I served with in California in the exchange in Okinawa. Or the guy I knew in boot camp will be in another platoon in North Carolina. But in the Army, you will rarely meet other people again that are outside of your Branch.
 
I admit to being partial to the Navy, and particularly their dark blue dress officer's uniform...hawt.
 
They both suck because they need to have the USAF and US Naval Air come in and save there arse all of the time.:mrgreen::rofl


This would be an example of that "simple" and pointless bashing I have talked about.

The fact is that the Marine Corps works together with the Navy because we make up America's Expeditionary Force. This also means Naval Gunfire as indirect support. The Marine Corps also relies upon the Navy for medical assistance.

The Army is self reliant, which enables it to "occupy" without greater support from outside. It has its own medical support.

The Air Force serves as direct and indirect bomber air support with the F/A-22 safely parked in hangers. However, the Army and the Marine Corps have established Close Air Support (a doctrine developed from the Battle of Belleau Wood (WWI) within their own branches. Navy, Army, and Marine pilots continually fly in what is called "kill boxes" and simple await fire missions from troops on the ground. The closest pilot takes the case.
 
I heard there's more room for individualism in the army than in the marine corps.

Which is why the overwhelming complainers about "refusinig to wear UN blue berets" in Somalia..."refusinig to wear NATO blue berets" in Bosnia..."I refuse to deploy"......."Obama is not my Commander-In-Chief"......etc. come out of the Army.

The organization itself motivates this. "An Army of One" or the rediculous amount of unit patches that seperate soldiers apart from each other help the individual feel as if his individualism is more important than the branch mission.

In the Marine Corps, there are no unit patches to seperate one Marine from another. In 1991, we even fought against the move to place name tapes on our cammies because it was a patch and it may produce individuality above the Eagle Globe and Anchor on our covers. You see brother hood from one uniform to the next in the Marine Corps. Opinions are encouraged through the chain of command and ideas are taken from all levels in rank to make mission accomplishment more efficient. But dissention is never tolerated and going outside your chain to seek media attention in order to get out of what you signed up for is viewed as traitorous to Marines.

Plenty in the Army believe this as well. And they will argue and deny that there is a mood difference between the branches in regards to this based on a personal sentiment. But why do we continue to always see the vast majority of dissentors, from one war to the next, in an Army uniform if there isn't something to it?
 
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....... alot of Marine MOS's are trained at Army schools.....

Not alot. Less and less. But some Marines attend speciality schools about their MOSs at Army schools. For my MOS, I was chosen to attend a Joint Communications Course at Fort Gordon. My MOS remained the same. I just received training for joint efforts (and some of it smoke checked me). The Army does have great specialty schools.
 
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