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Marine Corps. vs Army

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JW Frogen said:
Did your Granpa haze your father?
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My dad went to college and joined a fraternity where he had to walk over 20 miles in Illinois winter. He carried a competetive wrestler for a while because the guy became dehydrated, but ultimately my dad got frostbite on one foot and the shoddy hospital he went to just cut off his toes. He was drafted in 1969 but when he went to the recruiting station he was deemed unfit for service because of his disability.

He also tried to join the Air Force but they told him he was "too fat." Nahhh.... that's just a joke he tells people over dinner. He's 6 3 so he's too big to be a pilot and all he wanted to do was fly.

My Grandpa was hard on my dad cuz he was he oldest son but he didn't "haze" him.

anyway, I'm happy to enlighten you with my family history. I'm sure you've enjoyed every moment.
 
Tubub said:
My Grandpa was a butcher in the Army in WWII. My dad was drafted in Vietnam but then deferred because he lost all the toes on one foot when hazing for a fraternity... So I have no history to rely on in order to make my decision.
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When my friends kids ask me about the military, I encourage them to join the Coast Gaurd.
 
apdst said:
When my friends kids ask me about the military, I encourage them to join the Coast Gaurd.
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The Coast Guard is painfully difficult to get into.
 
Redress said:
The Coast Guard is painfully difficult to get into.
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True, but I believe it's a far more rewarding and challenging service. The CG is the only branch of service where a person does his job, for real, everyday.

Famous last words, but if I had known then what I know now, I would have joined the CG in a heart beat.
 
apdst said:
True, but I believe it's a far more rewarding and challenging service. The CG is the only branch of service where a person does his job, for real, everyday.

Famous last words, but if I had known then what I know now, I would have joined the CG in a heart beat.
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The CG is a great service. I could have joined, but it would have been a year and a half before I could get in.
 
Redress said:
The CG is a great service. I could have joined, but it would have been a year and a half before I could get in.
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I wish I would have joined. The other great thing about the CG, is that alot of the postings are in he middle of p*ssy rich areas.:lol:
 
This thread is quite funny reading some of the comment on here.

I would like to point out one big item to both of the Army and Marine guys your butts don't get to go anywhere unless the USAF provide's you with a lift since neither service has Heavy Air Assets.

Hell the Army barely has a fixed wing aircraft any more and they are in the process of deconing them. While the Marines do have 130 units they are small and very few so they need both the navy and USAF to move there butts.

The bottom line is this folks it take the whole Military to fight and win a war not just the Army or the Marines.
 
Congratulations.

I guess the best I have heard where this line of argument, or self importance, is explained, is as followed:

You are merely a part of the jock strap. You support the balls, which is the Marine Corps, and more importantly, the infantry. Every function you have, every mission you complete, every time you feel that you have done a job well, it ultimately is supporting the infantry.

I don't care how many grunts you strapped in and told to sit still, you aren't nearly as an important factor in the battle as the grunts. It's the same lame logic the Navy tries to implement when they state "Well, without us, the Marines would never get there".. Congratulations...you drive us around...It all supports the infantry. I respect an Army infantry soldier much more than a Marine Corps admin. I would say in terms of respect it goes as follows, at least in my opinion:

MOS (job description)
Branch of Service
Time in service
blah blah.
 
Polynikes said:
Congratulations.

I guess the best I have heard where this line of argument, or self importance, is explained, is as followed:

You are merely a part of the jock strap. You support the balls, which is the Marine Corps, and more importantly, the infantry. Every function you have, every mission you complete, every time you feel that you have done a job well, it ultimately is supporting the infantry.

I don't care how many grunts you strapped in and told to sit still, you aren't nearly as an important factor in the battle as the grunts. It's the same lame logic the Navy tries to implement when they state "Well, without us, the Marines would never get there".. Congratulations...you drive us around...It all supports the infantry. I respect an Army infantry soldier much more than a Marine Corps admin. I would say in terms of respect it goes as follows, at least in my opinion:

MOS (job description)
Branch of Service
Time in service
blah blah.
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Really now so may I ask how and the hell you plan on getting from the United States to Iraq swim/walk/ thumb a ride.

Oh and the next time a Army or Marine unit gets there arse pin down in a fire fight and need Air Support were do you think it's going ot come from huh. Yes the Marines have some Tact Air but guess what they don't go asnywhere unless the USAF Tanks there butts across the Pond. The Army doesn't have any fix wing Tact Air Units and the all of those nice Air Cav. Units how do you think they get into combat zone huh, fly far from it they are loaded into C-17s and C-5s and flown into combat zone's.

The bottom line is this no one branch of the Us Military gets the whole job done it take all of them to work together
 
Polynikes said:
Congratulations.

I guess the best I have heard where this line of argument, or self importance, is explained, is as followed:

You are merely a part of the jock strap. You support the balls, which is the Marine Corps, and more importantly, the infantry. Every function you have, every mission you complete, every time you feel that you have done a job well, it ultimately is supporting the infantry.

I don't care how many grunts you strapped in and told to sit still, you aren't nearly as an important factor in the battle as the grunts. It's the same lame logic the Navy tries to implement when they state "Well, without us, the Marines would never get there".. Congratulations...you drive us around...It all supports the infantry. I respect an Army infantry soldier much more than a Marine Corps admin. I would say in terms of respect it goes as follows, at least in my opinion:

MOS (job description)
Branch of Service
Time in service
blah blah.
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This is inaccurate. There are many situations where infantry is not needed. If you just need a strike to destroy some buildings or send a message, the Navy is your force of choice in most situations.
 
Redress said:
This is inaccurate. There are many situations where infantry is not needed. If you just need a strike to destroy some buildings or send a message, the Navy is your force of choice in most situations.
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Yep Tact Air sends a very large message and is allot faster and safer.
 
It would be fun being forward deployed if it did not suck so badly.
 
Redress said:
It would be fun being forward deployed if it did not suck so badly.
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very True my Brother-N-Law is a Rhino Driver and has been TDY a few time in Afgan and he said it sucked tent city.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Really now so may I ask how and the hell you plan on getting from the United States to Iraq swim/walk/ thumb a ride.

Oh and the next time a Army or Marine unit gets there arse pin down in a fire fight and need Air Support were do you think it's going ot come from huh. Yes the Marines have some Tact Air but guess what they don't go asnywhere unless the USAF Tanks there butts across the Pond.
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I hate to tell you this, but the Marines do not need Air Force as much as you think they do.

Their sister-service, the Navy, quite often gives them their transportation. And it has an advantage over the AF: They get to bring all of their equipment with them. And they can get off the ships, drie off their vehicles, and go into combat.

Yea, you can airlift PATRIOT, but it is painfully inefficient. One launcher per aircraft. And how many aircraft would be needed to bring in an entire Marine Expeditionary Force? With Equipment. Far to many to be feesable.

And the same goes for their aircraft you dismiss. The Marines main fighter is the F-18 Super Hornet. And they also have some Harriers for close air support and forward deployment. Something that as far as I am aware, the AF has nothing like. And they have their own tankers, as well as the Navy with it's own tankers.

We are all a team. And I am always sickened when people see to think they are better then everybody else. Because without those grunts between you and them, the bad guys would overwhelm your base. And without PATRIOT, good luck stopping any leakers that slip through your defenses, or an incomming SCUD.
 
Oozlefinch said:
I hate to tell you this, but the Marines do not need Air Force as much as you think they do.
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Oh really so shall I break it down for you and show you how much the USMC need the USAF.

Oozlefinch said:
Their sister-service, the Navy, quite often gives them their transportation. And it has an advantage over the AF: They get to bring all of their equipment with them. And they can get off the ships, drie off their vehicles, and go into combat.
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Yes and No while the USMC do use LHA to get stuff tot he battle field if they need to get their in 24 hours or less then it's going to be a USAF MAC C-17 or a USN TNAC C-130J


Oozlefinch said:
Yea, you can airlift PATRIOT, but it is painfully inefficient. One launcher per aircraft. And how many aircraft would be needed to bring in an entire Marine Expeditionary Force? With Equipment. Far to many to be feesable.
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Since you ask it takes 2 C-5B and 4 C-17 to move a MEF from anywhere in the World with in 24 hours. I've seen it done many times.

Oozlefinch said:
And the same goes for their aircraft you dismiss. The Marines main fighter is the F-18 Super Hornet. And they also have some Harriers for close air support and forward deployment. Something that as far as I am aware, the AF has nothing like. And they have their own tankers, as well as the Navy with it's own tankers.
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USMC fly the following aircraft 8 Squadrons of F-18E as there Main Attack aircraft and 5 Squadrons of F-18F as there RHINO"S. While they do have 7 AV-8B Harrier II Squadrons with none of oversea's DET. As for USMC Tanker's they have 5 KC-130E Tankers with one Station outside of the USA and it's located in Japan.

As for what you said about Close Air Support yes the USMC do use the AV-8B along with the AH-1W and AH-1Z Super Cobra's most of the time ground USMC units are supported by the USAF A-10 Thunderbolt II or better know as the Warthog. The Hog can stay on Station longer then any other CATS Aircraft in the US Military. Now lets move back to Tankers as I pointed out the USMC have 5 Squadrons of 130 but these won't drag you across the Pacific or the Atlantic Oceans only the USAF with it's KC-135Rs and KC-10s will do that.

As I said before neither the Army nor the Marine's are going anywhere with out the USAF hauling there butts.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Oh really so shall I break it down for you and show you how much the USMC need the USAF.

As for what you said about Close Air Support yes the USMC do use the AV-8B along with the AH-1W and AH-1Z Super Cobra's most of the time ground USMC units are supported by the USAF A-10 Thunderbolt II or better know as the Warthog. The Hog can stay on Station longer then any other CATS Aircraft in the US Military. Now lets move back to Tankers as I pointed out the USMC have 5 Squadrons of 130 but these won't drag you across the Pacific or the Atlantic Oceans only the USAF with it's KC-135Rs and KC-10s will do that.

As I said before neither the Army nor the Marine's are going anywhere with out the USAF hauling there butts.
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OK, fine. You win. The Air FOrce is the best and most powerful unit in the military, and nothing can be done without them. :mrgreen:

And I never said they did not need them, I said they needed them less then you think they do.

And you seem to forget, most Marine aircraft by their nature are able to land on US Navy carriers, and some even land on smaller Amphibious ships. The Navy and Marines have cooperated in joint operations for decades.

And the Navy and Marines do not use C-130 tankers very often. Because for obvious reasons, they can not operate off of carriers. Until earlier this year the tanker carrier most commonly used was the S-3 Viking. That has now been replaced with the F/A-18 Super Hornet, which has a "buddy tanker" capability.

And by their nature, Marines are frequently transported aboard Navy ships. Although they also fly Air Force. Back in 1987 I was sitting on the tarmac at Pope AFB, with C-130s warming up a few hundred yards away, waiting to go into Haiti. And yes, the Air Force would have taken us there.

But our intended target? We would have been the first units "boots on ground", with the objective of securing the airport. So without the Marines (or Army if they had been given that task), there would not have been anyplace to land without us.

I am not sure if you have ever worked "Joint Forces", but I suggest you tune down your antagonism and your "Us First" attitude. All of the services work together, and each is the worst off without it's partners.

And by the way, my primary role at the moment? I am part of a PATRIOT battalion, defending an Air Force base in the Middle East. So you see, we all work together. Save it for the bars.
 
Oozlefinch said:
OK, fine. You win. The Air FOrce is the best and most powerful unit in the military, and nothing can be done without them. :mrgreen:

And I never said they did not need them, I said they needed them less then you think they do.

And you seem to forget, most Marine aircraft by their nature are able to land on US Navy carriers, and some even land on smaller Amphibious ships. The Navy and Marines have cooperated in joint operations for decades.

And the Navy and Marines do not use C-130 tankers very often. Because for obvious reasons, they can not operate off of carriers. Until earlier this year the tanker carrier most commonly used was the S-3 Viking. That has now been replaced with the F/A-18 Super Hornet, which has a "buddy tanker" capability.

And by their nature, Marines are frequently transported aboard Navy ships. Although they also fly Air Force. Back in 1987 I was sitting on the tarmac at Pope AFB, with C-130s warming up a few hundred yards away, waiting to go into Haiti. And yes, the Air Force would have taken us there.

But our intended target? We would have been the first units "boots on ground", with the objective of securing the airport. So without the Marines (or Army if they had been given that task), there would not have been anyplace to land without us.

I am not sure if you have ever worked "Joint Forces", but I suggest you tune down your antagonism and your "Us First" attitude. All of the services work together, and each is the worst off without it's partners.

And by the way, my primary role at the moment? I am part of a PATRIOT battalion, defending an Air Force base in the Middle East. So you see, we all work together. Save it for the bars.
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Hmm I might know a little about the F-18T since I was part of the Flight Test Program for that airframe. Actually a C-130 can operated off a Carrier if had to I can show you the Video of a C-130 doing such a thing.

Also before the S-3B update III it was the KA-6B that were the onboard Tankers each CAW had six assigned to them. Now it's 18 Squadron has two airframes that are dedicated tanker plateforms.

Yes the Marines do tend to use the US Navy allot more but the US Army doesn't go anywhere unless the USAF shows up and gives them a lift.
Don't worry I have worked many Joint Opperations not only with US Force's but with NATO and South American and Asian Countries also.
 
When I went to CQB school in 2003, there was a Gunny there who could fire a benelli at a sustained rate w/ one hand.

crazy #$^%

i'll never forget that


Oh yeah, The army has us beat when it comes to the chow hall. hands down...they had gourmet cakes & ice cream on every army base I ever visited overseas.
 
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C-130 Carrier Landing Video,

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfwJJD5jGXk"]YouTube - C-130 Hercules on an Aircraft Carrier!![/ame]
 
other said:
When I went to CQB school in 2003, there was a Gunny there who could fire a benelli at a sustained rate w/ one hand.

crazy #$^%

i'll never forget that


Oh yeah, The army has us beat when it comes to the chow hall. hands down...they had gourmet cakes & ice cream on every army base I ever visited overseas.
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CQB school at the Security Forces school at the annex in VA?
 
Scorpion89 said:
Hmm I might know a little about the F-18T since I was part of the Flight Test Program for that airframe. Actually a C-130 can operated off a Carrier if had to I can show you the Video of a C-130 doing such a thing.
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Redress said:
That video also shows why it is not done often. Notice the clear deck?
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Although I am on NIPR and can't see YouTube videos, I have an idea what it would look like. And yes, the C-130 can operate from a carrier.

And I seem to remember that the B-25 was also capable of operating off of the deck of a carrier. Not that it was done more then once. :mrgreen:

A C-130 is so massive, it really has no place as a part of a Carrier Task Force. It is a huge aircraft, and I seriously doubt that it can be brought down to the hanger deck. And the amount of room it takes up would be much better spent on other aircraft, like more F-18s.
 
Oozlefinch said:
Although I am on NIPR and can't see YouTube videos, I have an idea what it would look like. And yes, the C-130 can operate from a carrier.

And I seem to remember that the B-25 was also capable of operating off of the deck of a carrier. Not that it was done more then once. :mrgreen:

A C-130 is so massive, it really has no place as a part of a Carrier Task Force. It is a huge aircraft, and I seriously doubt that it can be brought down to the hanger deck. And the amount of room it takes up would be much better spent on other aircraft, like more F-18s.
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It might be able to ride an elevator down, depending on if/where the wings fold. Getting it back off the elevator and into the hanger might be a trick though. For a C-130 landing, you would have to completely clear beside and behind the island, so it is really not worth doing.
 
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