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Breaking: Rangers Go Glock, Is the US Army Soon to Follow? 1911s Not Longer Pistol of

Re: Breaking: Rangers Go Glock, Is the US Army Soon to Follow? 1911s Not Longer Pisto

Fledermaus said:
We were out in the desert for some unofficial range time. They set targets around 25 feet away. I set mine out over 25 yards out. We enlisted just embarrassed the officers.
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Haha!

Take bets on a LCpl vs any officer in land nav. That's some funny ****, too. Officers can't use a compass to save their lives. Hell, maybe they don't even use compasses anymore with GPS, I guess.
 
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Brewdog said:
I should have said "USP-type" model pistol. Without a safety, double action only. I know most departments don't carry H&K's, and they are indeed expensive. Many of the feds are carrying Sigs now, which are also very expensive, but are also double action only. And any of those weapons can be thrown onto pavement from 5 stories and will not fire unless the trigger is pulled. The government tested them exactly that way to ensure it before they bought them. I worked with one of the guys that helped the gov't test them. And I'm not anti-Glock. I think it's a fine weapon. I just don't understand the need for the doohickey on the trigger.

But I like double-action only pistols. You don't need a safety. It's one more step to take under the pressure of having a person shooting at you to click off the safety. You WANT a safety on a rifle. The trigger can hang on brush and such while you're on patrol. But a pistol is either in the holster, or it's ready to use against a threat. It just doesn't need a safety.
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the GLOCK and the M&P are classified as D/A only pistols in that the pull of the trigger slightly retracts the striker (another safety feature in those handguns) and I like them. I don't like the true DA only pistols which you have in some of the HKs where the trigger actually fully takes back the hammer and then shoots-meaning a trigger pull over 10 pounds normally They are safe but not conducive to great accuracy. I earned a 60X pin in PPC if that means anything and I shot a DA only revolver built by Davis but the way we used those at the 50 yard stage was to stage the trigger to the point that the hammer was all the way back and then pull through-the gun Davis built me had a pencil eraser that the trigger would contact and that was where you were ready to fire. the trigger pull was about 10 pounds but you didn't roll through the trigger like you would at the 7 yard stage where time was a bit less
 
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Fledermaus said:
Glocks are like Harleys.

A decent bit of machinery tainted by some of the self important dweebs that own/use that machinery.

For me it was Marine attack pilots. A bunch started buying Glocks for the cache it carried.

We were out in the desert for some unofficial range time. They set targets around 25 feet away. I set mine out over 25 yards out. We enlisted just embarrassed the officers. Much beer was wagered. Much won. It helped that one of my Cpls was a state shooting team member from New York state.

My weapon of choice is a 586 S&W 6 inch barrel. Nice for longer range.
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probably the most versatile CF handgun you can own

Legal for deer hunting in Ohio

with 38 special wadcutters- a great bullseye gun

with Safariland Comp III speedloaders-Ideal for USPSA revolver class (though the 8 shot versions are gaining favor-since you have to shoot "minor" )

with 38 Self defense loads or tamer 357s-an ideal home defense or "car gun"

about the only thing its not good for is summer concealed carry
 
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One of the things you talk about is trigger pull. The most annoying thing to me on a pistol is to have an uneven trigger squeeze. That last little bit on some pistols will tend to tighten up and require more effort. And I don't like that. It should be even throughout the squeeze.
 
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Brewdog said:
One of the things you talk about is trigger pull. The most annoying thing to me on a pistol is to have an uneven trigger squeeze. That last little bit on some pistols will tend to tighten up and require more effort. And I don't like that. It should be even throughout the squeeze.
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that's why I choose the MP over the Glocks. All the instructors at TDI in Ohio including well known gunsmith David Bowie (Bowie Tactical Concepts-Turtle endorsed) were using Glocks and I showed up with an early M&P and told them I thought it was better because the trigger reset was faster. and after I had smoked all of them in a drill they do there-Low ready, three 14x14 plates at 15 yards, under one second, they all started shooting the MPs. Came back a year later and many of them had MPs. in the big steel competitions I use the CZ family of handguns since the triggers are even better (of course mine are from the custom shop-my CTS is under 1.8 pounds)

but Glocks are good guns for just about anyone-from people with some training like your average cop or soldier to people like me who are shooting thousands upon thousands of rounds a year
 
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I carried an H&K for a long time that had a smooth trigger pull. Before that I had a Beretta that had an even trigger pull, even though it was a very strong one. And then I had to switch to a Sig. And the Sig tightened up at the end. Like it didn't want you to finish the job.

I didn't like that at all.
 
Re: Breaking: Rangers Go Glock, Is the US Army Soon to Follow? 1911s Not Longer Pisto

Brewdog said:
I carried an H&K for a long time that had a smooth trigger pull. Before that I had a Beretta that had an even trigger pull, even though it was a very strong one. And then I had to switch to a Sig. And the Sig tightened up at the end. Like it didn't want you to finish the job.

I didn't like that at all.
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I carry a 938 but its single action only-excellent trigger

I used to carry a 229 in 40 and I thought the trigger was decent

I'll have to break it out and test it-its been years

I sort of shelved all my DA/SA jobs except that Shadow CZ and I don't ever shoot it hammer down
 
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TurtleDude said:
I sort of shelved all my DA/SA jobs except that Shadow CZ and I don't ever shoot it hammer down
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Hammer down means without cocking the hammer?
 
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Brewdog said:
Hammer down means without cocking the hammer?
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the CZ can be carried safely two ways

1) hammer down, no safety so it works like a SIG 226. The only catch is you have to carefully lower the hammer on a live round. People who use CZs in "Production" Class USPSA do that all the time. My home defense CZ SP 01 is one of the versions that has a decocker just like the sig 226

2) cocked and locked like a Colt 1911 or a Browning HP

in the steel events I shoot we start with the gun touching a rail or a table and the hammer is back. In other events, we start with the pistol in a speed holster-cocked and locked
 
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