The US Accused Russia of Hacking. What Happens Next Will Set a Cyber War Precedent

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joG said:

Actually, it was a bad mistake not to move to the Russian boarder, as it has turned out. And it should be remembered that an allegiance was proposed with Russia. And it should be furthermore remembered that the counties are sovereign and should be allowed to make their own decisions; best of all their populations should be allowed to rule by democratic process including being allowed to depose the government. Russia really has no reason to complain in this respect.

But that is beside the point. There is a definite difference between Amnesty International and the systematic Russian non linear attack. I don't know, if you know the Gerasimov Doctrine or not, but you should read up on it. We are at war by Russian acclaim.

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Are you suggesting that Russia doing what's best for Russia is wrong?

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Dragonfly said:

The USofA certainly doesn't like it when other countries try to do to the USofA, what the USofA has been doing to other countries for decades.

Does anyone here believe the USofA doesn't actively "hack", or try to "hack" Russia, as well as China, and just about every other country outside our borders?

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I'm pretty sure that we are, but the difference between us and them is that we're not getting caught. I firmly believe that's because we are that much better than they are. 90% of hacking is making sure that you're tracks are covered and no one can get back to you. If your efforts are traceable, then you're not a very good hacker. I think that we've got the best hackers out there, because if we didn't, they be getting busted and the foreign gov'ts busting them would be making a major stink about it.

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faithful_servant said:

I'm pretty sure that we are, but the difference between us and them is that we're not getting caught. I firmly believe that's because we are that much better than they are. 90% of hacking is making sure that you're tracks are covered and no one can get back to you. If your efforts are traceable, then you're not a very good hacker. I think that we've got the best hackers out there, because if we didn't, they be getting busted and the foreign gov'ts busting them would be making a major stink about it.

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Sometimes it's good to leave a trace.

Russians treated an ex-FSB agent in UK to polonium-210 and made sure it was clear who did it.

This is called "sending a message". Or "don't **** with us". I think it works.

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DaveFagan said:

I see or you do not. Assange is reputed to be releasing Hillary's 33,000 emails that the DoJ could not find. Wonderful and the USA should send him a check for recovering this evidence, since they could not. Yes! It is the use it is put to. I'm sure you support Assange in this freedom of the press move in the interests of justice, eh?

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Oh. You are absolutely right. Creating transparency is a good thing. I also do not see, why Assange should be given a hard time for publishing the news. He is not an American citizen nor was he bound to secrecy. And we generally do not take a position that government should be allowed to prevent publishing information, news or opinion. That is Constitutional.

Some information is particularly dangerous, which is the reason for the confidentiality rules governments have for their employees. The thing is, that the impact can be destructive. This means that they can be used as a means of war and are so discussed in the Gerasimov Doctrine to employed, where hot war is not (yet) underway to weaken one's enemy. So, when one makes some information public the damage one might be doing to one's community can be remarkably large. So yes, I do believe that selling or disclosing such information is a severe crime. Propagating doing so is an opinion covered by free opinion but similar to saying that terrorists are justified to bomb New York.

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legalimmigrant said:

Does that rule apply here?

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Where do you mean with "here"?

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legalimmigrant said:

Are you suggesting that Russia doing what's best for Russia is wrong?

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No. The question is, whether doing it is enough justified, when it includes war crimes and crimes against humanity, to be acceptable. After all, their actions are rather aggressive in waging war and the benefit does not look like it has exterior justification.

It is also quite questionable that it is good for Russia to try to multipolarize the global security structure instead of working to achieve a communal approach at supranational level. After all, if you approach the problem with analytical tools, one finds that the multipolar structure produces unstable solutions, where the probability for world war increases the more similar levels of relative power become and the with the number of powers making up the game. On today's trajectory we should expect a succession of smaller and greater wars in future with global war occurring with near certainty within say 30 years. Given this frame, it is not at all good for Russia, though, it probably does stabilize Putin's, Jong-un's or Li Keqiang's personal positions.

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US finds growing evidence Russia feeding emails to WikiLeaks


As WikiLeaks continues to publish emails belonging to Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, US officials told CNN that there is growing evidence that Russia is using the organization as a delivery vehicle for the messages and other stolen information...


Time to get real about Russia cyber war: Max Boot


Trump denies, Obama delays and the media enables in the face of unprecedented attacks on U.S. democracy....

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Simpleχity;1066422695 said:

US finds growing evidence Russia feeding emails to WikiLeaks


As WikiLeaks continues to publish emails belonging to Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, US officials told CNN that there is growing evidence that Russia is using the organization as a delivery vehicle for the messages and other stolen information...


Time to get real about Russia cyber war: Max Boot


Trump denies, Obama delays and the media enables in the face of unprecedented attacks on U.S. democracy....

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I like the guy's face. So trust inspiring.

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Fledermaus said:

So, Russia is not hacking?

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Of course they are ... and so is the US but, the "cyber war" has been going on since "cyber space" has existed.

That Propaganda is that Russia is trying to mess with the US election. Unlike most US citizens, Russia is not stupid enough to think that it is the President who pulls the strings in the US.

Russia, and every other nation on the planet, knows that during the election process the candidates are full of hot air (such is the nature of politics in most nations that have a democratic process).

Russia also knows that what ever Trump or Clinton is spewing ... both come with a whole lot of baggage. Trump comes with the Red and Hillary comes with Blue.

At the end of the day Red and Blue are the same - exactly the same when it comes to foreign policy. The establishment will do (Red and Blue) what the establishment will do, regardless of what the president thinks.

That there is some difference is just propaganda (Necessary Illusions) to keep the raging masses thinking that they actually have a choice.