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For F-35’s First Deployment, Marines Plan ‘School of Hard Knocks’

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For F-35’s First Deployment, Marines Plan ‘School of Hard Knocks’


Real-world missions will help the Corps chart its future with the plane, says the leader of the Marines’ Combat Development Command....


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The Marines will begin moving 16 F-35Bs to Iwakuni Air Station in Japan early next year.
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What active service will they see in Japan???? Is the US planning to attack N.Korea?
 
Tim the plumber said:
What active service will they see in Japan???? Is the US planning to attack N.Korea?
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It might be a smart move. But God only knows we do not have a CIC present or prospective that could be expected to do an even reasonable job of it.

PS: The same is true BTW for the China Sea islands.
 
joG said:
It might be a smart move. But God only knows we do not have a CIC present or prospective that could be expected to do an even reasonable job of it.
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Given that waiting for the Soviet state to collapse by it's self went so well; no WWIII, why not do the same with N.K?

Let's face it, everwhere the US has invaded has gone wrong. Where it has not we seem to have conquered.
 
Tim the plumber said:
Given that waiting for the Soviet state to collapse by it's self went so well; no WWIII, why not do the same with N.K?

Let's face it, everwhere the US has invaded has gone wrong. Where it has not we seem to have conquered.
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I was not really worried much about NK. It is just that we are headed for a WW3 in any event, if we do not get a new and robust system of mutual international security in place. And the approach Obama has taken has wasted 8 years of a very narrow window of opportunity we had, when the world believed it was important. Now, everyone is building their armies and negotiating treaties and secret pacts and we are almost where the world was in 1913.
 
Tim the plumber said:
What active service will they see in Japan???? Is the US planning to attack N.Korea?
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They will be hidden far away from US media, so that all the deaths and accidents involved with the deployment can be kept hush hush.
 
PeteEU said:
They will be hidden far away from US media, so that all the deaths and accidents involved with the deployment can be kept hush hush.
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That seems a little cynical. Do you actually believe we will not hear of such accidents? Given the hype surrounding the F35, I'd say we'll hear about significant problems, as we already have pre-deployment.
 
humbolt said:
That seems a little cynical. Do you actually believe we will not hear of such accidents? Given the hype surrounding the F35, I'd say we'll hear about significant problems, as we already have pre-deployment.
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LOL there have been massive problems and they are still not fixed. It is a flying death trap from Pentagon accounts.. computer failures in mid-flight, potentially killing ejection seats, and so on and so on. The F35 is a political project within the military and especially congress and is being pushed into service.
 
PeteEU said:
LOL there have been massive problems and they are still not fixed. It is a flying death trap from Pentagon accounts.. computer failures in mid-flight, potentially killing ejection seats, and so on and so on. The F35 is a political project within the military and especially congress and is being pushed into service.
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I'm aware of the problems, and yes, the F35 has been an unduly political project. I prefer to think that the very limited deployment can be successful, and problems can be handled. We'll see. Given our pilot shortage, I don't think the Marines are about to throw good pilots in death traps. Personally, I'd rather see the F22 started back up to cover the interim while they sort the F35 out, if possible.
 
joG said:
I was not really worried much about NK. It is just that we are headed for a WW3 in any event, if we do not get a new and robust system of mutual international security in place. And the approach Obama has taken has wasted 8 years of a very narrow window of opportunity we had, when the world believed it was important. Now, everyone is building their armies and negotiating treaties and secret pacts and we are almost where the world was in 1913.
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We have just stripped away the Ukraine from mother Russia. Well, most of it.

The Russians are dependant upon money from the export of gas and oil.

They have a small effective army and a large sit still and look almost like an army.

Obama has managed to not start any new wars. He looks good from here.
 
Tim the plumber said:
We have just stripped away the Ukraine from mother Russia. Well, most of it.

The Russians are dependant upon money from the export of gas and oil.

They have a small effective army and a large sit still and look almost like an army.

Obama has managed to not start any new wars. He looks good from here.
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What we look like is like a power that has lost its way and it is not willing to stand to its friends, values or even threats. The USA looks like a bumbling giant about to fall and one from whom one must push aside and never trust on.
 
PeteEU said:
LOL there have been massive problems and they are still not fixed. It is a flying death trap from Pentagon accounts.. computer failures in mid-flight, potentially killing ejection seats, and so on and so on. The F35 is a political project within the military and especially congress and is being pushed into service.
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Few have knocked the plane more than I.

But for the Marines, I think it is the best plane out there.

The Harrier is a VERY flawed aircraft. Hard to fly (especially on takeoffs and landings) and a death trap when up against heat seeking missiles (because of where the jet nozzles are located).

I hate the F-35 for the Navy (single engined and ridiculously overpriced) and the air force (ridiculously overpriced)...and all you get for that money is some stealthiness, which is almost TOTALLY USELESS against ISIL and anyone else that is not equipped with radar guided AA weapons (which is almost everyone America has fought against recently).

But I love it for the Marines.
 
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joG said:
What we look like is like a power that has lost its way and it is not willing to stand to its friends, values or even threats. The USA looks like a bumbling giant about to fall and one from whom one must push aside and never trust on.
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I would rather have a giant reluctant to start fights than a trigger happy fool wandering about killing people because it thinks it looks better.

The thing about getting what you want without starting big fights is that you often have to let the other side claim the victory. So the Russians can claim the victory of keeping 20% of the Ukraine.
 
Tim the plumber said:
I would rather have a giant reluctant to start fights than a trigger happy fool wandering about killing people because it thinks it looks better.

The thing about getting what you want without starting big fights is that you often have to let the other side claim the victory. So the Russians can claim the victory of keeping 20% of the Ukraine.
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The Russians were quite right to take the land, if you look at it that way. But it is not about "a giant reluctant to start fights than a trigger happy fool wandering about killing people because it thinks it looks better". You see, if it were, there would be no reason to worry, as a world war would be unavoidable anyway. Then it would only be a question of when to get it out of the way.
 
joG said:
The Russians were quite right to take the land, if you look at it that way. But it is not about "a giant reluctant to start fights than a trigger happy fool wandering about killing people because it thinks it looks better". You see, if it were, there would be no reason to worry, as a world war would be unavoidable anyway. Then it would only be a question of when to get it out of the way.
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Eh??

Russia lost 80% of Ukraine.

I don't want there to be WWIII or any other wars for that matter. So a cautious giant is a lot better than a trigger happy fool.

Obama is highly respected around here. Wanker Bush is not.
 
Tim the plumber said:
Eh??

Russia lost 80% of Ukraine.

I don't want there to be WWIII or any other wars for that matter. So a cautious giant is a lot better than a trigger happy fool.

Obama is highly respected around here. Wanker Bush is not.
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Russia didn’t lose anything. Their empire imploded and those that were no longer subjugated were set free. Now Putin decided on a little 19th century imperialist land grab.

But that is only the beginning. We are right on the path towards a security structure that inevitably must breed wars. Not little ones like those of the past few decades, but real wars like the ones of the first half of the last century. This has nothing to do with this or that country and how it acts. It is due to the structure of the game now developing.
 
joG said:
Russia didn’t lose anything. Their empire imploded and those that were no longer subjugated were set free. Now Putin decided on a little 19th century imperialist land grab.
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Ukraine was a satelite of Rssia untill recently. It was as much part of the Russian empire as South Korea is part of the US Empire. Now it isn't. Well 80% of it.

But that is only the beginning. We are right on the path towards a security structure that inevitably must breed wars. Not little ones like those of the past few decades, but real wars like the ones of the first half of the last century. This has nothing to do with this or that country and how it acts. It is due to the structure of the game now developing.
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What the F.K are you talking about?
 
Tim the plumber said:
1. Ukraine was a satelite of Rssia untill recently. It was as much part of the Russian empire as South Korea is part of the US Empire. Now it isn't. Well 80% of it.

2. What the F.K are you talking about?
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1. As far as I know they had been an integrated Soviet Republic of the Soviet Union since 1922. That was one of Trotzki's claims to fame. They remained part of the Soviet Union until the Soviet imploded and ended the Cold War.

2. That is quite obvious and has been discuss a number of times. It has to do with the structure of international security.
 
Simpleχity;1066283720 said:
Ukraine has been a sovereign and independent nation since 1991 ... 25 years.
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Less sovereign than South Korea. Slightly more sovereign than Kazakhstan. Now it's mostly a satellite of NATO and the EU.
 
Tim the plumber said:
Less sovereign than South Korea. Slightly more sovereign than Kazakhstan. Now it's mostly a satellite of NATO and the EU.
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This really isn't too difficult to understand, although I strongly advise that you study the pertinent history.

With the signing of the Belavezha Accords and the Alma-Ata Protocol in December of 1991, Russia and the 10 former USSR republics all became independent and sovereign nations.

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Ukrainian President Leonid Kravchuk (second from left seated), Chairman of the Supreme Council of the
Republic of Belarus Stanislav Shushkevich (third from left seated) and Russian President Boris Yeltsin
(second from right seated) during the signing ceremony at Viskuly Government House in the Belarusian
Belovezhskaya Pushcha National Park, 8 December 1991


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Russian President Boris Yeltsin (second right), Ukrainian President Leonid Kravchuk (left), Kazakh President
Nursultan Nazarbayev (second left) and Speaker of Belarusian Supreme Soviet (Parliament) Stanislav
Shushkevich (right) after signing the Alma-Ata Protocol on 21 December 1991
 
Simpleχity;1066289053 said:
This really isn't too difficult to understand, although I strongly advise that you study the pertinent history.

With the signing of the Belavezha Accords and the Alma-Ata Protocol in December of 1991, Russia and the 10 former USSR republics all became independent and sovereign nations.
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It's really not that difficult to understand;

Soverenty is not a zero or one question. Soverign nations within the EU are less soverign as a result but still soverign. Nations such as Costa Rica are not soverign very much at all. Costa Rica does what the US tells it to in forign policy matters.

The Nations of Eastern Europe which were in the Warsal Pact were legally soverign but in fact had no independance from Russia.

The Ukraine was under the Russian thumb and has slowly moved away from its' relationship with Russia till today it (well 80% of it) has become independant of Russia with this status guarnteed by the EU and NATO. Thus it is a protectorate of the EU/NATO.
 
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