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Draft women, too (here we go)

RetiredUSN said:
There is no draft pards........... I don't know where you got that from.
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There absolutely are reasons that people can get out of being drafted, at the very least have their service deferred to later. These include mental or physical handicaps, college, and I think being a priest or politician exempts a person as well. Even temporary medical issues can keep you out as well as being a conscientious objector (at least for most jobs).
 
Henrin said:
This is bull****. End the ****ing practice of forcing people to sign up. Why is this so hard?

END THE ****ING DRAFT! The draft is a clear violation of the thirteenth amendment.

There is no merit to the idea that we should expand a clearly unconstitutional act to women.

The vast majority of both men and women have no interest in serving. Respect that.
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There isn't a draft. there is just a registration in case they at some point institute a draft.
 
Everyone should register for the draft so that there is an efficient mechanism in place for beginning conscription in a time of national emergency.
 
Sherman123 said:
Everyone should register for the draft so that there is an efficient mechanism in place for beginning conscription in a time of national emergency.
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Or we could just stop thinking the state has a right to enslave people.
 
SocialD said:
There isn't a draft. there is just a registration in case they at some point institute a draft.
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All that means is that the state is threatening their citizens with a draft. For all intents and purposes the draft is still very much the law.
 
Henrin said:
Or we could just stop thinking the state has a right to enslave people.
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No. I'm perfectly willing to trample on your rights for the greater good of society. In times of emergency it is a simple fact that not everyone will want to fight for a variety of reasons, but it doesn't mean that the country isn't better off by accessing those relatively unwilling combatants. I don't have an absolutist conception of rights, it's about balancing interests.
 
Sherman123 said:
No. I'm perfectly willing to trample on your rights for the greater good of society. In times of emergency it is a simple fact that not everyone will want to fight for a variety of reasons, but it doesn't mean that the country isn't better off by accessing those relatively unwilling combatants. I don't have an absolutist conception of rights, it's about balancing interests.
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Anyone that drafts me better be willing to kill me because I'll be killing those men and women next to me. I do not appreciate being a slave and I refuse to kill for you.
 
Henrin said:
All that means is that the state is threatening their citizens with a draft. For all intents and purposes the draft is still very much the law.
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They haven't actually drafted anyone in more than 40 years Henrin , chill.
We could just have compulsory military service like Switzerland, Denmark, Israel, Ukraine, Mexico and many other countries.
 
Henrin said:
Anyone that drafts me better be willing to kill me because I'll be killing those men and women next to me. I do not appreciate being a slave and I refuse to kill for you.
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Ok. I'm perfectly alright with that. Though we'll probably just put you in prison which is historically what we do with people who resist or try and sabotage the draft. But if you want to suicide by cop in the process I guess thats your call.
 
Sherman123 said:
Ok. I'm perfectly alright with that. Though we'll probably just put you in prison which is historically what we do with people who resist or try and sabotage the draft. But if you want to suicide by cop in the process I guess thats your call.
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At that point my only interest is to kill as many of people that enslaved me as possible. If that means I die trying, so be it.
 
SocialD said:
They haven't actually drafted anyone in more than 40 years Henrin , chill.
We could just have compulsory military service like Switzerland, Denmark, Israel, Ukraine, Mexico and many other countries.
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The process for the draft is still there. All they did was declare it not longer exists while not disabling their abilities to use it. It's just a lie and nothing more.

And counties that enslave their citizens to fight and die for them need to be laid to rest.
 
I like the idea of mandatory national service and clearly women should be required to register. Under current law, illegal aliens, refugees, and permanent residents between the ages of 18 and 25 must register if they are males. So all those should be required as well, male or female.
It is the great equalizer and gets people out of their bubble that most live all their lives in, never meeting diverse cultures and peoples.
 
Henrin said:
Guess how many enemies I will shoot for you? Do you really think I will even follow one order given to me?
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I honestly don't care at all. All that matters is that the conscription process works and is functional. If it produces the soldiers that the country needs in a time of emergency I could care less about you. You'd be one anomaly. Who cares.
 
Eric7216 said:
I like the idea of mandatory national service and clearly women should be required to register. Under current law, illegal aliens, refugees, and permanent residents between the ages of 18 and 25 must register if they are males. So all those should be required as well, male or female.
It is the great equalizer and gets people out of their bubble that most live all their lives in, never meeting diverse cultures and peoples.
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Actually a good part of the male population never registers for the draft.
 
Sherman123 said:
I honestly don't care at all. All that matters is that the conscription process works and is functional. If it produces the soldiers that the country needs in a time of emergency I could care less about you. You'd be one anomaly. Who cares.
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The process doesn't work at all. There is several men that never register and many others that are only registered because of their parents. The government only punishes people by taking away government benefits that you can live just fine never getting. Do you really think I'm alone? Drafted soldiers don't really have a history of being good for the unit, you know.
 
Henrin said:
The process doesn't work at all. There is several men that never register and many others that are only registered because of their parents. The government only punishes people by taking away government benefits that you can live just fine never getting. Do you really think I'm alone? Drafted soldiers don't really have a history of being good for the unit, you know.
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What? We have an excellent history of raising armies via conscription. It has been an exceptional mobilization tool as it simultaneously pulls people into the military and induces others to volunteer. It was authorized as far back as the Revolutionary War and was effectively implemented during The Civil War, World War I, World War II, the Korean War, etc. We inducted millions into the service. Like I said if you want to suicide by cop that's your business but it wont stop the draft.
 
Sherman123 said:
What? We have an excellent history of raising armies via conscription. It has been an exceptional mobilization tool as it simultaneously pulls people into the military and induces others to volunteer. It was authorized as far back as the Revolutionary War and was effectively implemented during The Civil War, World War I, World War II, the Korean War, etc. We inducted millions into the service. Like I said if you want to suicide by cop that's your business but it wont stop the draft.
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:lamo Who would volunteer because other people were drafted? That doesn't even make sense. Forcing people to go is one thing, getting them to be as good as volunteers is another.

You know what's really funny? The government will train me and provide me with the tools I need. The stupid little commander won't even know that I'm about to shoot him in the head.
 
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Henrin said:
:lamo Who would volunteer because other people were drafted? That doesn't even make sense. Forcing people to go is one thing, getting them to be as good as volunteers is another.

You know what's really funny? The government will train me and provide me with the tools I need. The stupid little commander won't even know that I'm about to shoot him in the head.
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You are woefully uninformed on the subject. The draft has always been a mechanism for persuading people to volunteer by allowing them to avoid the odium of being labeled a 'conscript' and by giving them some choice in their service arm, unit selection, etc. It was marvelously successful during the Civil War for example where enforcement mechanisms were more sporadic. As enforcement mechanisms became more prominent and we became able to induct millions of men into the service the volunteer inducement element became less important but nevertheless remains a component of the conscription strategy.

Again, if you want to be a lone murderer or suicide by cop thats fine. I couldn't stop you. But it wont stop the draft and in the end you'll just be a dead murderer. *shrug*
 
Sherman123 said:
You are woefully uninformed on the subject. The draft has always been a mechanism for persuading people to volunteer by allowing them to avoid the odium of being labeled a 'conscript' and by giving them some choice in their service arm, unit selection, etc. It was marvelously successful during the Civil War for example where enforcement mechanisms were more sporadic. As enforcement mechanisms became more prominent and we became able to induct millions of men into the service the volunteer inducement element became less important but nevertheless remains a component of the conscription strategy.
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I highly doubt that motivated many men at all. I also highly doubt many men would care in this day and age if they were labeled a conscript.

Again, if you want to be a lone murderer or suicide by cop thats fine. I couldn't stop you. But it wont stop the draft and in the end you'll just be a dead murderer. *shrug*
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Attacking those involved in your enslavement is justified. Call it murder if you want, but the act is still justified.

And really, you want to bitch about murder in a war? The whole ****ing thing is mass murder.
 
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As stated previously, I don't approve of the draft, or registration for the draft, and the whole thing should probably be abolished save in the case of utmost emergency and a defensive war of existential crisis.

If it is to exist however, women should absolutely be subject to it; with equal rights comes equal responsibilities. More importantly, they will be consequently motivated to either help severely constrain the scope of the draft as above, or abolish it.
 
Surrealistik said:
As stated previously, I don't approve of the draft, or registration for the draft, and the whole thing should probably be abolished save in the case of utmost emergency and a defensive war of existential crisis.

If it is to exist however, women should absolutely be subject to it; with equal rights comes equal responsibilities. More importantly, they will be consequently motivated to either help severely constrain the scope of the draft as above, or abolish it.
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A country has no more right to enslave their people to fight and die for them in crisis than they do at any other time. If they can't motivate people to fight for them then the country dies.
 
Henrin said:
A country has no more right to enslave their people to fight and die for them in crisis than they do at any other time. If they can't motivate people to fight for them then the country dies.
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I'm afraid we'll have to differ on that point then (including the idea of a temporary draft as any sort of true enslavement); civilization isn't free and its benefits demand sacrifice and a certain loss of liberty. With rights comes responsibilities, including obeying laws that constrain freedoms for the functioning and well-being of society. For those who will not abide such responsibilities or impositions, there are always lawless de jure and de facto anarchies to inhabit; there they can enjoy all the unlimited freedom they like up until someone sees fit to exercise their own unlimited freedom to take it away from them.
 
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