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USMC Birthday 10 Nov - Formed in 1775, older than the US

Riveroaks said:
Simply because the Continental Congress was imitating Britain.

Thus they formed an Army, a Navy, and Marines.

In those days marine were sharpshooters on naval warships.
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Humour and context? WHOOSH!!
 
Riveroaks said:
What are you NOT getting?
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Sorry... this has become officially boring. I just got the memo from the head office and everything...
 
Bodhisattva said:
Sorry... this has become officially boring. I just got the memo from the head office and everything...
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The only branch of the US Armed Forces that can honestly say that without them there would be no USA is the Army. And even they could not have done it without the French Navy.
 
Riveroaks said:
The only branch of the US Armed Forces that can honestly say that without them there would be no USA is the Army. And even they could not have done it without the French Navy.
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I already said, "humour, WHOOSH!!" right?
 
My half brother joined the Marines.

Hehehe, I remember his signature move of kissing his biceps and saying, "hey ladies" to us. He's big, I'll give him that. I always got the feeling that the marines, in terms of sheer fighting on an individual basis, were the best of the best of the regular forces.
 
Riveroaks said:
Simply because the Continental Congress was imitating Britain.

Thus they formed an Army, a Navy, and Marines.

In those days marine were sharpshooters on naval warships.
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Actually, they were more then that. However, sharpshooters were a big part of it.

Bakc when "broadsides and boarding parties" were a real deal, Marines were used to either storm and take over the enemy ship, or defend their own ship from such an assault. They were also either the first line of defense in holding a naval base. Or in the case of the Battle of Nassau, where the Marines (led by Lieutenant John Paul Jones) stormed ashore and siezed New Prodence from the British and took both arms and munitions badly needed by the Revolutionaries.

In the early days, Marines were found aboard every ship. Bodyguard for the Captain, taking or defending ships during early naval combat. And during WWII the capitol ships generally had Marines operating the secondary armament.

I often wish the Corps would return to many of those traditional roles. Security detachments aboard ships, and site security for our naval bases. The removal of Marine Detachments from Navy ships in 1998 is something that still angers me.
 
JANFU said:
USMC Birthday
10 Nov - Formed in 1775, older than the US.
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Because the organization started during an era where the Colonialists were still thinking of themselves as part of England. The military forces created in 1775 were largely as a way to unify the colonies and create a unified military force.

But the Army, Marines, and Navy had existed prior to 1775. George Washington was a Colonel in the Virginia Militia, and served with the British in the Seven Years War (French-Indian Wars). But as tensions were increasing between England and the Colonies, it was realized that the individual colonies had to work together, or they would fall one by one. It was the next year when it became obvious to the Continental Congress that reconciliation was not possible, and converting from a Colonial Military to a National Military was required.
 
Riveroaks said:
There is a lot of USMC "tradition" that is all pure B/S.

He was repeating the B/S.

Anytime you have a special force specially picked and specially trained like the USMC you need to have a lot of brainwashing.

They do.

It is all needed to support the fighting spirit in spite of the high casualties they will take.

As a Marine it is 50% probable in battle that you will be wounded and 10% likely that you will be killed -- higher than any other branch of the US Armed Forces.

I don't mind B/S but you have to call B/S when you see it.

The historical significance of the USMC does not extend back further than WW2, and even then there was infinitely more significance to Ike's victories in Germany and to Nimitz's victories in the Pacific. Midway was a complete game changer and the USMC had nothing to do with it. As was Normandy.
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Just curious where exactly you are getting those percentages from.
 
Luftwaffe said:
My half brother joined the Marines.

Hehehe, I remember his signature move of kissing his biceps and saying, "hey ladies" to us. He's big, I'll give him that. I always got the feeling that the marines, in terms of sheer fighting on an individual basis, were the best of the best of the regular forces.
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Not exactly a "regular force."

The Japanese put it this way in 1942:

"The Americans on this Island (Guadalcanal) are not ordinary troops but marines, a special force recruited from jails and insane asylums for the purposes of blood lusts."
 
Riveroaks said:
Not exactly a "regular force."

The Japanese put it this way in 1942:

"The Americans on this Island (Guadalcanal) are not ordinary troops but marines, a special force recruited from jails and insane asylums for the purposes of blood lusts."
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So we are basing how we classify our troops now based off WW2 Japan's propaganda. That seems like a great idea. They are, outside of a few units, considered a conventional force and not really elite by modern military terms.
Not taking anything away from the Corps as their infantry are great and in almost all cases I would rather have them supporting my ODA than anyone else outside of SOCOM. But let's be realistic here. The standards to be a Marine are not anything crazy high. They are good at what they do but not really elite in the overall sense.
 
Luftwaffe said:
My half brother joined the Marines.

Hehehe, I remember his signature move of kissing his biceps and saying, "hey ladies" to us. He's big, I'll give him that. I always got the feeling that the marines, in terms of sheer fighting on an individual basis, were the best of the best of the regular forces.
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USAF is probably the most fun job.

USN is a lot of fun and excitement too only that you will be at sea for 3 to 6 months out of the year nonstop.

US Army has a lot of jobs some of which are fun like flying helo's or driving tanks.

USMC is serious warfare and I would not recommend it to anyone who is not already really good at martial arts and unsympathetic towards anyone or anything that you must kill.
 
Riveroaks said:
USAF is probably the most fun job.

USN is a lot of fun and excitement too only that you will be at sea for 3 to 6 months out of the year nonstop.

US Army has a lot of jobs some of which are fun like flying helo's or driving tanks.

USMC is serious warfare and I would not recommend it to anyone who is not already really good at martial arts and unsympathetic towards anyone or anything that you must kill.
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As most jobs in the AF are not flying and are more maintenance and admin related it seems the unless you are one of the small percentage that is a pilot and not of a cargo plane it would be the most boring to me.

The Navy seems like it would be super boring while at sea and unless part of NSW I couldn't see me having any interest in that.

A lot of the jobs in the Army are also jobs in the Marines so not much difference there. Also warfare in the Army is every bit as serious as warfare in the Marines so not sure what your point here is. You do realize that the majority of jobs in the Corps have nothing to do with killing the enemy in any sort of direct way right.

Why exactly would someone need to be good at martial arts before joining. The vast majority of Marines I know both former and active, knew absolutely zero before joining and still know very little. And the majority of guys I know are either FR guys or MARSOC so don't really see that being a very necessary skill.
 
Riveroaks said:
USAF is probably the most fun job.

USN is a lot of fun and excitement too only that you will be at sea for 3 to 6 months out of the year nonstop.

US Army has a lot of jobs some of which are fun like flying helo's or driving tanks.

USMC is serious warfare and I would not recommend it to anyone who is not already really good at martial arts and unsympathetic towards anyone or anything that you must kill.
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So basically, you know exactly Jack **** about the military.
 
braindrain said:
Just curious where exactly you are getting those percentages from.
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He just makes it up as he goes along.

Riveroaks said:
"The Americans on this Island (Guadalcanal) are not ordinary troops but marines, a special force recruited from jails and insane asylums for the purposes of blood lusts."
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Of course, they also said that to be a Marine you had to kill and eat a baby. And that US Soldiers if they took Japan would kill all the men and rape all the women to eliminate the Japanese race.

braindrain said:
The standards to be a Marine are not anything crazy high. They are good at what they do but not really elite in the overall sense.
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The biggest difference between the marines and any other service is the drive to earn that title.

In every other branch of service, your job is picked out before you even sign the contract. Only the Marines takes over 60% of their recruits as "open contract". Meaning that you have no idea what your job will be until the last few weeks of Boot Camp. But those with the drive to become Marines accept that as the price for claiming that title.

Riveroaks said:
USMC is serious warfare and I would not recommend it to anyone who is not already really good at martial arts and unsympathetic towards anyone or anything that you must kill.
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Do you ever speak in anything that is not mindless propaganda?

This is the USMC, not the US Ninja Corps. WTF would martial arts be good for? We shoot our enemies, we do not charge them with flying karate chops for goodness sakes.

And figure out this little diescrepency. I am a life long pacifist, and also was a Marine Infantryman for a decade. Do I have any sympathy for those I would have to kill? No, not really. I just wish them as quick and clean a death as I could deliver to them. I save my sympathy for those who have been hurt by those I have to kill. They are the innocents after all.

But I have tons of sympathy. I have so much sympathy for innocents that I am willing to place my own life in danger to protect them, and to kill those who would do them harm.

Redress said:
So basically, you know exactly Jack **** about the military.
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Yea, pretty much.
 
Oozlefinch said:
He just makes it up as he goes along.



Of course, they also said that to be a Marine you had to kill and eat a baby. And that US Soldiers if they took Japan would kill all the men and rape all the women to eliminate the Japanese race.



The biggest difference between the marines and any other service is the drive to earn that title.

In every other branch of service, your job is picked out before you even sign the contract. Only the Marines takes over 60% of their recruits as "open contract". Meaning that you have no idea what your job will be until the last few weeks of Boot Camp. But those with the drive to become Marines accept that as the price for claiming that title.



Do you ever speak in anything that is not mindless propaganda?

This is the USMC, not the US Ninja Corps. WTF would martial arts be good for? We shoot our enemies, we do not charge them with flying karate chops for goodness sakes.

And figure out this little diescrepency. I am a life long pacifist, and also was a Marine Infantryman for a decade. Do I have any sympathy for those I would have to kill? No, not really. I just wish them as quick and clean a death as I could deliver to them. I save my sympathy for those who have been hurt by those I have to kill. They are the innocents after all.

But I have tons of sympathy. I have so much sympathy for innocents that I am willing to place my own life in danger to protect them, and to kill those who would do them harm.



Yea, pretty much.
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I agree that your average Marine has a lot more drive to simply be a Marine than you average Soldier has to be a Soldier. I don't think there is any doubt to that.
That sad the flip side to that while open contract thing is that while yes I takes a stronger desire to join not knowing what you are going to do but you also get are in a job they would rather not do. Virtually no one in the Army infantry is there that didn't want to be there. It's what they signed up to do. That's not always the case with the Marines. Not saying one system is better then the other just that there are pros and cons of both.
And honestly I think there is no doubt that your average Marine infantry platoon is better then your average Army infantry platoon though it gets a lot closer when comparing airborne units from the Army. What gets me though is when folks start saying things like Marine infantry is similiar to Ranger BN or things like that. Some folks just get a bit carried away.
 
Redress said:
It was my pleasure to serve with a lot of marines while I was in the navy, and I have nothing but an extreme amount of respect for them. Nobody I would want more on my side when the chips where down.
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Good reason to marry one.

I love my Marine. It is funny though that I remember his mothers birthday is one of two days, either the Marines birthday or Veterans Day, those being only a day apart.
 
Redress said:
Yup, the neck trick was great. I could spend 15 minutes doing isometrics on my neck and get an extra inch.
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Might not work anymore with the new changes, although it also might not be necessary for some either since they are going to adding a belly measurement that is supposed to help those who have more muscle weight than fat in the middle.
 
Riveroaks said:
USAF is probably the most fun job.

USN is a lot of fun and excitement too only that you will be at sea for 3 to 6 months out of the year nonstop.

US Army has a lot of jobs some of which are fun like flying helo's or driving tanks.

USMC is serious warfare and I would not recommend it to anyone who is not already really good at martial arts and unsympathetic towards anyone or anything that you must kill.
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This is a really ignorant look at our services, especially Navy and Marines.
 
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