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Will we defend Saudi Arabia?

Shadowless said:
I agree, we certainly should not take on the Saudi's militarily, but we should denounce their government. They support Wahabism all over the world.
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It's just another culture. Agree of disagree with it, are we suppose to be a compassionate people, and respect other people's customs?

I don't like it either, but I'm not going to be a bigot about it.

Qatar also supports Wahabism. However, they are getting a bit westernized.

We need to lead by example. Not by scorn or force.
 
Lord of Planar said:
It's just another culture. Agree of disagree with it, are we suppose to be a compassionate people, and respect other people's customs?

I don't like it either, but I'm not going to be a bigot about it.

Qatar also supports Wahabism. However, they are getting a bit westernized.

We need to lead by example. Not by scorn or force.
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It's a barbaric culture, based on superstitious nonsense. They are one of the worst countries in the world, we should never call them our friend. Nothing bigoted about it, they treat women and gays like trash, literally. They stifle free speech, they promote the most fanatical version of Islam they can, they really are our enemy. Qatar as well.

We should not use force against them, but scorning them is something we need to do. We are hypocrites if we don't.
 
Shadowless said:
It's a barbaric culture, based on superstitious nonsense. They are one of the worst countries in the world, we should never call them our friend. Nothing bigoted about it, they treat women and gays like trash, literally. They stifle free speech, they promote the most fanatical version of Islam they can, they really are our enemy. Qatar as well.

We should not use force against them, but scorning them is something we need to do. We are hypocrites if we don't.
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Were you also one of those first grade bullies in school?

It's a barbaric culture,
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By our standards, yes.

based on superstitious nonsense.
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In your opinion.

Do all Americans say there is no God?

They are one of the worst countries in the world,
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Maybe so. Are we suppose to be nation rebuilders?

we should never call them our friend.
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Allies and friends are not perfect synonyms.

Nothing bigoted about it, they treat women and gays like trash, literally. They stifle free speech, they promote the most fanatical version of Islam they can, they really are our enemy. Qatar as well.
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Liberals in America bash Christians and conservatives, Kill innocent lives when they are fetuses. Bigoted in different ways, but bigoted.

I don't like the authoritarian parts of their culture. But then I don't like the authoritarian parts of our culture either.

Making them our enemy will never give them the chance to see the good parts of our culture, and what you say would only make them more bitter and less resistant to change.

I don't think you allow much thought process in your hatred, and it becomes a bigotry as bad as racism because of that.

We don't have to like their ways, but we should still treat them with respect.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Why do you think that?

Why do you let your bias speak for you?
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You talk about my bias, while describing all nations in that region as terrible?

Pot, meet Kettle.

The thing you are missing is that we are not in charge of the standards that must be made by a government. By your description, you could actually cover pretty much every government on the planet that is not a Representative Republic. The UK, Japan, Monaco, China, just about everybody.

So stick to facts and actually give a reason, not just toss off a claim and do nothing to back up that claim.
 
GunFora said:
We would at least have to protect our bases in SA.
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What bases in Saudi Arabia?

You are aware that we withdrew our forces from Saudi Arabia over a decade ago, are you not? The last US forces left there in 2003.

All that is left is a 200 man training and liason unit, with no aircraft or combat capability other then personal defensive weapons.
 
Hobbsforlife said:
It is only a matter of time before this country is attacked because they are flooding the market with cheap oil, should we, will we stand behind this complicated and odd ally. I think this is the real reason for the Russians invasion of Syria, and their recent relations with Iran, what should we do, if anything?
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I'm not sure Saudi Arabia will NEED us to defend them. It seems they are dealing with ISIS attacks themselves, at least.

Revealed: Saudi Arabia's 'Great Wall' to keep out Isil - Telegraph

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Oozlefinch said:
You talk about my bias, while describing all nations in that region as terrible?

Pot, meet Kettle.

The thing you are missing is that we are not in charge of the standards that must be made by a government. By your description, you could actually cover pretty much every government on the planet that is not a Representative Republic. The UK, Japan, Monaco, China, just about everybody.

So stick to facts and actually give a reason, not just toss off a claim and do nothing to back up that claim.
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I'm not the one advocating to ostracize them.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
Were you also one of those first grade bullies in school?


By our standards, yes.


In your opinion.

Do all Americans say there is no God?


Maybe so. Are we suppose to be nation rebuilders?


Allies and friends are not perfect synonyms.


Liberals in America bash Christians and conservatives, Kill innocent lives when they are fetuses. Bigoted in different ways, but bigoted.

I don't like the authoritarian parts of their culture. But then I don't like the authoritarian parts of our culture either.

Making them our enemy will never give them the chance to see the good parts of our culture, and what you say would only make them more bitter and less resistant to change.

I don't think you allow much thought process in your hatred, and it becomes a bigotry as bad as racism because of that.

We don't have to like their ways, but we should still treat them with respect.
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Oh PLEASE. Stop it with the cultural nonsense. Different culture's are great, but I'd like to see how you react when those religious savages cut off your daughters clitoris because it says to do that in their holy book. I give no man respect who subscribes to that garbage. They endorse the same ideology as islamic fascist terrorists. There is no way around it.

You think they are going to change because of the west? You are delusional. Read up on what they believe, you will see there is no reasoning with those kinds of brainwashed lunatics.
 
Shadowless said:
Oh PLEASE. Stop it with the cultural nonsense. Different culture's are great, but I'd like to see how you react when those religious savages cut off your daughters clitoris because it says to do that in their holy book. I give no man respect who subscribes to that garbage. They endorse the same ideology as islamic fascist terrorists. There is no way around it.

You think they are going to change because of the west? You are delusional. Read up on what they believe, you will see there is no reasoning with those kinds of brainwashed lunatics.
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Wow...

There are reasons for state department warnings.

I wonder when your strawman army will be exhausted?
 
Oozlefinch said:
What bases in Saudi Arabia?

You are aware that we withdrew our forces from Saudi Arabia over a decade ago, are you not? The last US forces left there in 2003.

All that is left is a 200 man training and liason unit, with no aircraft or combat capability other then personal defensive weapons.
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My son was deployed to Saudi Arabia just a couple of years ago. Eskan Village Air Base.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Wow...

There are reasons for state department warnings.

I wonder when your strawman army will be exhausted?
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What are you talking about? How can anybody consider those people allies? Most of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis by the way...
 
Shadowless said:
What are you talking about? How can anybody consider those people allies? Most of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis by the way...
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Saudi nationals?

So what.

We have criminals in our borders too.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Saudi nationals?

So what.

We have criminals in our borders too.
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We do, but you are missing my point. Saudi Arabian government spends money promoting Wahabism, the fanatic strain of Islam. And you think we should view them as allies. Crazy.
 
Shadowless said:
We do, but you are missing my point. Saudi Arabian government spends money promoting Wahabism, the fanatic strain of Islam. And you think we should view them as allies. Crazy.
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Conservative does not equal fanatic. They practice a conservative form of Islam.

Oh....

Now I understand your partisanship!

It does to you!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism

Where in this wiki page does it call them fanatical?
 
Lord of Planar said:
Conservative does not equal fanatic. They practice a conservative form of Islam.

Oh....

Now I understand your partisanship!

It does to you!
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I have no partisanship, I despise the two party system. It leads to corruption.

Conservative fundamentalists are the catalysts to terrorism. They accept the twisted ideology without actually planning attacks. They are fanatics.

Do you know anything about Shariah law?
 
Shadowless said:
I have no partisanship, I despise the two party system. It leads to corruption.

Conservative fundamentalists are the catalysts to terrorism. They accept the twisted ideology without actually planning attacks. They are fanatics.

Do you know anything about Shariah law?
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LOL....

Wow.

You just don't seem to get past your blinders.

First, you don't understand that being orthodox, conservative, or fundamental does not imply fanaticism.

Yes I know what Sharia law is.

I have repeatedly stated I do not like their culture, but that they should be respected.

Why can't you accept that?

What good does disrespecting them do?

Make your dark side feel better?

"The hate is strong in this one!"
 
GunFora said:
My son was deployed to Saudi Arabia just a couple of years ago. Eskan Village Air Base.
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Did I not say "All that is left is a 200 man training and liason unit"? Yea, I am pretty sure I did.

Eskan Village is a small compound on the edge of Prince Sultan Air Base. It is itself not an "Air Base", it was actually set up as temporary housing for Bedouin tribesmen who came to deal with the Saudi Government in the 1980's. Largely abandoned after that, it was changed to housing foreign detachments after the Khobar Towers attack. It's American complement is roughly 200 people, and a few tactical vehicles (HMMWVs). As I said, it has no military equipment, no aircraft, no tanks or armored vehicles. It is a training and liason unit.

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"Eskan Village Air Base" does not really exist. Other then the compound is under the Command of an Air Force Detachment. And technically everything to them is an "Air Force Base".

Even Warren Air Force Base, which also has no runways, and no aircraft.
 
Lord of Planar said:
LOL....

Wow.

You just don't seem to get past your blinders.

First, you don't understand that being orthodox, conservative, or fundamental does not imply fanaticism.

Yes i know what Sharia law is.

I have repeatedly stated I do not like their culture, but that they should be respected.

Why can't you accept that?


Why good does disrespecting them do?

Make your dark side feel better?

"The hate is strong in this one!"
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Why should a barbaric, violent culture get respect? Answer me that.

List for me what conservative/orthadox religious muslims, jews or christians believe. Then tell me it's not insane.

It's not about disrespect, it's about standing up for what we believe in.
 
Shadowless said:
Why should a barbaric, violent culture get respect? Answer me that.
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By their standards, we are barbarians.

have you ever read the full definition of respect?

Here is one meaning:
a feeling or understanding that someone or something is important, serious, etc., and should be treated in an appropriate way
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So...

Are you being ignorant, or just full of hate, and have to rationalize it?

Shadowless said:
List for me what conservative/orthadox religious muslims, jews or christians believe. Then tell me it's not insane.
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I'm not sure I know what you're looking for, but it is obvious you are a bigot. Intolerant of other cultures.

Shadowless said:
It's not about disrespect, it's about standing up for what we believe in.
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You mean being authoritarian over others? making everyone conform to your ideals? Like Hitler?
 
Lord of Planar said:
By their standards, we are barbarians.

have you ever read the full definition of respect?

Here is one meaning:


So...

Are you being ignorant, or just full of hate, and have to rationalize it?


I'm not sure I know what you're looking for, but it is obvious you are a bigot. Intolerant of other cultures.


You mean being authoritarian over others? making everyone conform to your ideals? Like Hitler?
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I want you to write out what Shariah is and what fundamentalists believe in, and you will see why it shouldn't be respected. Just list them out, list the beliefs.
 
Shadowless said:
I want you to write out what Shariah is and what fundamentalists believe in, and you will see why it shouldn't be respected. Just list them out, list the beliefs.
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I doubt you can tell me anything I know already, and you obviously don't understand the form of respect I quoted. I think you are just looking to be disagreeable, and rationalize your hate.

Goodbye.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I doubt you can tell me anything I know already, and you obviously don't understand the form of respect I quoted. I think you are just looking to be disagreeable, and rationalize your hate.

Goodbye.
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Get off your faux high horse and answer me with a yes or no. Should we respect a culture that mutilates the genitals of little girls because of what an old book says?
 
Oozlefinch said:
Did I not say "All that is left is a 200 man training and liason unit"? Yea, I am pretty sure I did.

Eskan Village is a small compound on the edge of Prince Sultan Air Base. It is itself not an "Air Base", it was actually set up as temporary housing for Bedouin tribesmen who came to deal with the Saudi Government in the 1980's. Largely abandoned after that, it was changed to housing foreign detachments after the Khobar Towers attack. It's American complement is roughly 200 people, and a few tactical vehicles (HMMWVs). As I said, it has no military equipment, no aircraft, no tanks or armored vehicles. It is a training and liason unit.

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"Eskan Village Air Base" does not really exist. Other then the compound is under the Command of an Air Force Detachment. And technically everything to them is an "Air Force Base".

Even Warren Air Force Base, which also has no runways, and no aircraft.
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Yeah..well... Eskan Village Air Base does exist...especially to our troops who are deployed there. There are US and Saudi Security Forces stationed there as well as civilian workers who come and go. My point was that we do, in fact, have troops on bases in Saudi Arabia. Great pic btw.
 
GunFora said:
My point was that we do, in fact, have troops on bases in Saudi Arabia. Great pic btw.
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I never denied that.

However, there is a big difference between having troops on bases, and having bases ourselves.

We have troops on bases in countries all over the world, it is not the same as we ourselves have bases there however.
 
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