Unreasonable recruiter demands

Is is reasonable to want
Birth certificate
SSI
Transcripts from 9th grade campus
as well as 10,11,12 grade campus.
Since I went to different schools for different years
Teacher reference who knew me when I went to all schools
7 references with full names(First Middle Last), emails, addresses, age, how long you known them, where you met them, what date you met them
One reference that known me for 8 years
All your family information(Same as references)
All your half brothers birth certificates as well(Since my dad was in the military and had them when they were on Base in another country)
Every time I fill something out they keeps piling on Paperwork that she demands I fill out asking for more and more detailed information

Than when I cant meet Deadline she just extends the date, and acts like im insane for not knowing everyone's middle name, exact date of birth, where they were born, where they work and the exact address of where every living person I ever met is. I mean seriously who keeps this kind of tabs on people? Im not a spy for the US goverment! WTF would I know all this?

Right now I also have a Civilian Job, and they keep scheduling things which I cant go to since I have to get to work.

This is the Navy and even one of the other recruiters had spoken up and said he thought they were being a little unreasonable

While the Recruiter for Coast Guard only needed

Birth-certificate
SSI
HS Diploma
Transcripts from HS

Discussed what jobs I wanted, how long I would have to wait for the Job I wanted and when I would be sent to boot Camp, Where I would be stationed and said if I scored well on Asvab I would be able to go to Meps a week after

In reading these few threads I can't help but think that you may end up happier if you choose not to join the military.

If you do not like the employer's personnel/recruiting quagmire then you will likely not enjoy other aspects/policies of that outfit - seek another job.

MisterLogical said:

Is is reasonable to want
Birth certificate
SSI
Transcripts from 9th grade campus
as well as 10,11,12 grade campus.
Since I went to different schools for different years
Teacher reference who knew me when I went to all schools
7 references with full names(First Middle Last), emails, addresses, age, how long you known them, where you met them, what date you met them
One reference that known me for 8 years
All your family information(Same as references)
All your half brothers birth certificates as well(Since my dad was in the military and had them when they were on Base in another country)
Every time I fill something out they keeps piling on Paperwork that she demands I fill out asking for more and more detailed information

Than when I cant meet Deadline she just extends the date, and acts like im insane for not knowing everyone's middle name, exact date of birth, where they were born, where they work and the exact address of where every living person I ever met is. I mean seriously who keeps this kind of tabs on people? Im not a spy for the US goverment! WTF would I know all this?

Right now I also have a Civilian Job, and they keep scheduling things which I cant go to since I have to get to work.

This is the Navy and even one of the other recruiters had spoken up and said he thought they were being a little unreasonable

While the Recruiter for Coast Guard only needed

Birth-certificate
SSI
HS Diploma
Transcripts from HS

Discussed what jobs I wanted, how long I would have to wait for the Job I wanted and when I would be sent to boot Camp, Where I would be stationed and said if I scored well on Asvab I would be able to go to Meps a week after

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If you think this is unreasonable just wait until you go to boot. :roll: Please for the sake of the rest don't join.

I have to agree with others, you would be wise to not join given all these basically complaint threads about the military.

MisterLogical said:

Is is reasonable to want
Birth certificate
SSI
Transcripts from 9th grade campus
as well as 10,11,12 grade campus.
Since I went to different schools for different years
Teacher reference who knew me when I went to all schools
7 references with full names(First Middle Last), emails, addresses, age, how long you known them, where you met them, what date you met them
One reference that known me for 8 years
All your family information(Same as references)
All your half brothers birth certificates as well(Since my dad was in the military and had them when they were on Base in another country)
Every time I fill something out they keeps piling on Paperwork that she demands I fill out asking for more and more detailed information

Than when I cant meet Deadline she just extends the date, and acts like im insane for not knowing everyone's middle name, exact date of birth, where they were born, where they work and the exact address of where every living person I ever met is. I mean seriously who keeps this kind of tabs on people? Im not a spy for the US goverment! WTF would I know all this?

Right now I also have a Civilian Job, and they keep scheduling things which I cant go to since I have to get to work.

This is the Navy and even one of the other recruiters had spoken up and said he thought they were being a little unreasonable

While the Recruiter for Coast Guard only needed

Birth-certificate
SSI
HS Diploma
Transcripts from HS

Discussed what jobs I wanted, how long I would have to wait for the Job I wanted and when I would be sent to boot Camp, Where I would be stationed and said if I scored well on Asvab I would be able to go to Meps a week after

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Yes..

Yes, it is. I hope the best for you, in whatever you choose to pursue. I truly do. However, given all these threads I've read from you about your view of this process so far, I seriously doubt that the US military is a good match for your happiness.

Give it some serious second, third and fourth thoughts before you sign and take that oath. I loved my military experience, but there were many that did not. I have a feeling that you may be in the latter group if you actually go through with this. There's nothing wrong with that. The military is not right for everyone, and everyone is not necessarily right for the military. There are other ways for you to serve your country if that's your wish. Trust me when I tell you, that if you are not happy and comfortable now, and that feeling carries over into your active service career, you will hate it and it can adversely effect the rest of your life.

MisterLogical said:

Is is reasonable to want
Birth certificate
SSI
Transcripts from 9th grade campus
as well as 10,11,12 grade campus.
Since I went to different schools for different years
Teacher reference who knew me when I went to all schools
7 references with full names(First Middle Last), emails, addresses, age, how long you known them, where you met them, what date you met them
One reference that known me for 8 years
All your family information(Same as references)
All your half brothers birth certificates as well(Since my dad was in the military and had them when they were on Base in another country)
Every time I fill something out they keeps piling on Paperwork that she demands I fill out asking for more and more detailed information

Than when I cant meet Deadline she just extends the date, and acts like im insane for not knowing everyone's middle name, exact date of birth, where they were born, where they work and the exact address of where every living person I ever met is. I mean seriously who keeps this kind of tabs on people? Im not a spy for the US goverment! WTF would I know all this?

Right now I also have a Civilian Job, and they keep scheduling things which I cant go to since I have to get to work.

This is the Navy and even one of the other recruiters had spoken up and said he thought they were being a little unreasonable

While the Recruiter for Coast Guard only needed

Birth-certificate
SSI
HS Diploma
Transcripts from HS

Discussed what jobs I wanted, how long I would have to wait for the Job I wanted and when I would be sent to boot Camp, Where I would be stationed and said if I scored well on Asvab I would be able to go to Meps a week after

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Asking for all that information is, yes, completely reasonable.

Personally, however, I wouldn't go to MEPS and sign a contract that didn't have the job I wanted on it. Be up front about that - you are joining the Navy to do X. You aren't interested in going open contract, and will not do so. If they can't guarantee you that, then that's fine, other services will. You don't have to join the Navy, and if they tell you the other services won't accept you, laugh at them. You haven't signed anything that obligates you, and you haven't been rejected for service three times, and so yes, they will. In the meantime, the Navy can hold your information for months or years if they have to, if that's what they need to do to wait for you to get the MOS (military occupational specialty) that you are after.

Recruiters have to meet monthly/quarterly mission, and so they will pressure you to go to MEPs when it is good for their schedule. If they want that, squeeze for a signing bonus or automatic promotion. But only if you are willing to take the loss that they are offering (either time, or job).

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Personally I think there is more to the story than we are hearing.

For example, what rating are you trying to go into? Is you are applying for Culinary Specialist that is one thing, if applying for Cryptologic Technician that is another.



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If you are looking for logic in the military, then you are NOT very logical.....

once you are in, they really won't appreciate these kinds of questions you have. you should expect to just shut up and do as told...

UtahBill said:

If you are looking for logic in the military, then you are NOT very logical.....

once you are in, they really won't appreciate these kinds of questions you have. you should expect to just shut up and do as told...

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No, its just the other services did not ask for this much and I dont understand if I gave them all my info that they need me too to get birth certificate for friends and relatives. My friends and relatives are not JOINING service. I am joining!

cpwill said:

Asking for all that information is, yes, completely reasonable.

Personally, however, I wouldn't go to MEPS and sign a contract that didn't have the job I wanted on it. Be up front about that - you are joining the Navy to do X. You aren't interested in going open contract, and will not do so. If they can't guarantee you that, then that's fine, other services will. You don't have to join the Navy, and if they tell you the other services won't accept you, laugh at them. You haven't signed anything that obligates you, and you haven't been rejected for service three times, and so yes, they will. In the meantime, the Navy can hold your information for months or years if they have to, if that's what they need to do to wait for you to get the MOS (military occupational specialty) that you are after.

Recruiters have to meet monthly/quarterly mission, and so they will pressure you to go to MEPs when it is good for their schedule. If they want that, squeeze for a signing bonus or automatic promotion. But only if you are willing to take the loss that they are offering (either time, or job).

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Well I considered Open contract but they said I did not have to go open contract. If they would have said I had to go open contract I would be okay sure that works. However they say I have to go to Meps, pick my job there and Join the military. I not allowed to say no when I go to meps, but I not allowed to join either unless I swear in and go to Meps. So Its kind of like Join and youll be offered a few jobs that you must pick at meps, I wont and cant tell you any of those jobs despite having asvab scores, and I not letting you go up to Meps unless you swear in. So everything is really uncertain.

Beaudreaux said:

Yes, it is. I hope the best for you, in whatever you choose to pursue. I truly do. However, given all these threads I've read from you about your view of this process so far, I seriously doubt that the US military is a good match for your happiness.

Give it some serious second, third and fourth thoughts before you sign and take that oath. I loved my military experience, but there were many that did not. I have a feeling that you may be in the latter group if you actually go through with this. There's nothing wrong with that. The military is not right for everyone, and everyone is not necessarily right for the military. There are other ways for you to serve your country if that's your wish. Trust me when I tell you, that if you are not happy and comfortable now, and that feeling carries over into your active service career, you will hate it and it can adversely effect the rest of your life.

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The Government owns the Military not the people of the United states. If you want to serve your country and community build a school, a hospital or a homeless shelter. Joining the Military is not doing anything for the Civilian people. Unless of course we are currently in a war that might escalate and come to America. However right now several people are Joining service since the Civilian world has almost no work available. Everyone has jumped on Joining since the Civilian world is collapsing. Joining does not fix the current state of the economy. If you want to be realistic we need more than military people. Think about it Military people have nothing to come home to. When they get out they are not going to have any jobs either. If we want things to be better we need to fix the Civilian world. For the Military going to war who want a future when they come home, and for the people here who left overseas who needed out of it. Wake up and see reality for what it really is.

MisterLogical said:

Is is reasonable to want
Birth certificate
SSI
Transcripts from 9th grade campus
as well as 10,11,12 grade campus.
Since I went to different schools for different years
Teacher reference who knew me when I went to all schools
7 references with full names(First Middle Last), emails, addresses, age, how long you known them, where you met them, what date you met them
One reference that known me for 8 years
All your family information(Same as references)
All your half brothers birth certificates as well(Since my dad was in the military and had them when they were on Base in another country)
Every time I fill something out they keeps piling on Paperwork that she demands I fill out asking for more and more detailed information

Than when I cant meet Deadline she just extends the date, and acts like im insane for not knowing everyone's middle name, exact date of birth, where they were born, where they work and the exact address of where every living person I ever met is. I mean seriously who keeps this kind of tabs on people? Im not a spy for the US goverment! WTF would I know all this?

Right now I also have a Civilian Job, and they keep scheduling things which I cant go to since I have to get to work.

This is the Navy and even one of the other recruiters had spoken up and said he thought they were being a little unreasonable

While the Recruiter for Coast Guard only needed

Birth-certificate
SSI
HS Diploma
Transcripts from HS

Discussed what jobs I wanted, how long I would have to wait for the Job I wanted and when I would be sent to boot Camp, Where I would be stationed and said if I scored well on Asvab I would be able to go to Meps a week after

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I can pretty much tell from this post you are going to have a hard time if you enlist. You only listed the reasons you don't want to supply the docs that the recruiter wanted. He has reasons for wanting this stuff. He didn't make it all up just to screw with you. He has reasons for wanting this stuff. You don't ask what the reason is, you just know that you are put out by it. It is what it is and if you can't accept that then you really need to look at a different career field rather than fight the system until your enlistment is over. That never works out good.

If you want to enlist then supply the docs. If you don't want to enlist then don't.

MisterLogical said:

Is is reasonable to want
Birth certificate
SSI
Transcripts from 9th grade campus
as well as 10,11,12 grade campus.
Since I went to different schools for different years
Teacher reference who knew me when I went to all schools
7 references with full names(First Middle Last), emails, addresses, age, how long you known them, where you met them, what date you met them
One reference that known me for 8 years
All your family information(Same as references)
All your half brothers birth certificates as well(Since my dad was in the military and had them when they were on Base in another country)
Every time I fill something out they keeps piling on Paperwork that she demands I fill out asking for more and more detailed information

Than when I cant meet Deadline she just extends the date, and acts like im insane for not knowing everyone's middle name, exact date of birth, where they were born, where they work and the exact address of where every living person I ever met is. I mean seriously who keeps this kind of tabs on people? Im not a spy for the US goverment! WTF would I know all this?

Right now I also have a Civilian Job, and they keep scheduling things which I cant go to since I have to get to work.

This is the Navy and even one of the other recruiters had spoken up and said he thought they were being a little unreasonable

While the Recruiter for Coast Guard only needed

Birth-certificate
SSI
HS Diploma
Transcripts from HS

Discussed what jobs I wanted, how long I would have to wait for the Job I wanted and when I would be sent to boot Camp, Where I would be stationed and said if I scored well on Asvab I would be able to go to Meps a week after

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Each branch has quotas. The quotas vary. Applicant pools vary. Sounds to me that the Navy can afford to bit more detailed and/or discerning at this point in time than it has been at other times or might be in the future. I can assure you the recruiter wants to meet her/his given monthly, quarterly and annual enlistment goals. No one recruiter is holding you back from enlisting just because it is YOU. Never happen.

The paperwork and the endless and mind numbing questions, the appointments and the seeming lack of interest in you personally is only the beginning at this point. This is nothing compared to what it will be throughout your enlistment. Once you raise your right hand NOTHING will be done on your preferred schedule, no one will ask your opinion and no one will listen to it. When they want you to have an opinion they will give you one.

Especially in the beginning not a hell of a lot of what is done that involves you will be very logical. You might question their reasoning...once. LOL! After you raise your right hand you are no longer an individual. Learning that will be a somewhat painful process. Once you do learn that YOU the individual does not exist you will understand the reason for that for the rest of your life. It's one of those things you must experience to truly know. With that in mind they are not going to waste any time explaining the process to you or give you reasons and logic.

Filling out mountains of paperwork and doing more and waiting longer and doing more of it is just the beginning of your transformation process. If the Navy weeds you out in the beginning, before you become a disillusioned boot who isn't going to make it, look how much money they have saved. Makes sense to me.

This part of the process is as easy as it is going to be. Now is the time to ask yourself how much do you really want it to happen. You aren't joining a club. It doesn't get easier. After you've been in for a while the process is different, your basic transformation will become complete, but doing a lot of crap you don't want to do and or may not agree with does not become easier. You just learn to suck it up and do it. And sometimes you wait and wait and wait and then you're ordered to stand down. They will waste your time or steal your time as often as they damned well please. As I recall it is always at the worst possible moment. :lamo The good news is everyone you know will be getting ****ed with just like you.

They have ways of ****ing with your head that your couldn't devise in your wildest dreams. They're professionals at mind ****ing.

cpwill said:

Asking for all that information is, yes, completely reasonable.

Personally, however, I wouldn't go to MEPS and sign a contract that didn't have the job I wanted on it. Be up front about that - you are joining the Navy to do X. You aren't interested in going open contract, and will not do so. If they can't guarantee you that, then that's fine, other services will. You don't have to join the Navy, and if they tell you the other services won't accept you, laugh at them. You haven't signed anything that obligates you, and you haven't been rejected for service three times, and so yes, they will. In the meantime, the Navy can hold your information for months or years if they have to, if that's what they need to do to wait for you to get the MOS (military occupational specialty) that you are after.

Recruiters have to meet monthly/quarterly mission, and so they will pressure you to go to MEPs when it is good for their schedule. If they want that, squeeze for a signing bonus or automatic promotion. But only if you are willing to take the loss that they are offering (either time, or job).

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It at least used to not be that bad going in unrated. With the exception of a very few jobs(when I was in, all of aviation rates where open), you could pretty much pick your job when the time came, and do so form a more knowledgable position. How it is now I could not say for sure, but I suspect it is still pretty viable.

When a bank keeps asking for more information and eventually duplicate information, it means they don't want to give you the loan and they want you to get frustrated and go away rather than tell you why.

Most recruiters I have dealt with are jerks. And some of them were flat out scumbags that would make the worst used car salesman cringe.

Something has got to be done about the recruitment system of the United States military...it is a disgrace (for the most part...not all recruiters are jerks of course).

I will not debate the above because the above is ALL 100% true. To debate the obvious is pointless.

DA60 said:

Most recruiters I have dealt with are jerks. And some of them were flat out scumbags that would make the worst used car salesman cringe.

Something has got to be done about the recruitment system of the United States military...it is a disgrace (for the most part...not all recruiters are jerks of course).

I will not debate the above because the above is ALL 100% true. To debate the obvious is pointless.

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And just how many recruited have you dealt with and in what capacity.

I have dealt with two when I was enlisting and know 4 or 5 others from being in. All of them were good enough guys and were professional. I my experience most of the people who have bad stories about recruiters were the actual cause of the problems.

braindrain said:

And just how many recruited have you dealt with and in what capacity.

I have dealt with two when I was enlisting and know 4 or 5 others from being in. All of them were good enough guys and were professional. I my experience most of the people who have bad stories about recruiters were the actual cause of the problems.

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Don't feed the troll. If you ignore him, he will go away.

OrphanSlug said:

I have to agree with others, you would be wise to not join given all these basically complaint threads about the military.

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Maybe the recuiter has seen his posts. I wouldn't take him either.

The whole thing smells. I've never heard so much drama on a squid joining up.

The whole multiple family members birth certs is weird... do they suspect you are not a 'real' American?

I do know when times were good the services can't attract enough recruits- when times are bad some of the services fill up before others... i know during the Seed planting in Iraq the AF cut out most of their bonuses- the didn't need them. I know in my day getting into aviation (army) was tough for recruits as re-enlistees snapped those slots up.

It all just sounds off....

Ray410 said:

When a bank keeps asking for more information and eventually duplicate information, it means they don't want to give you the loan and they want you to get frustrated and go away rather than tell you why.

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WTF? Try borrowing money from a recruiter. :roll: