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Would you be willing to sign up under these conditions

MisterLogical

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They have you asvab but wont tell you your line scores
Cant tell you what jobs you are eligible for till Meps
At Meps if you go you will be absolutely required to sign up for the service no matter what
There is no discussion of how long till you get shipped to bootcamp till meps
There is no discussion about what job you will be doing or your pay rate till you agree to sign up
You are told all benefits you will get for joining(Education Ecs)
but nothing else will be given unless you sign up
If you do not sign up now, you will not be allowed to ever re-enter service
 
They have you asvab but wont tell you your line scores
Cant tell you what jobs you are eligible for till Meps
At Meps if you go you will be absolutely required to sign up for the service no matter what
There is no discussion of how long you will be deployed but you must agree to sign up before they tell you
There is no discussion about what job you will be doing or your pay rate till you agree to sign up
You are told all benefits you will get for joining(Education Ecs)
but nothing else will be given unless you sign up

Yes, if those were the only conditions under which I could have enlisted I would have enlisted never the less.

The only guarantee I was really concerned about the first time was that I'd go Infantry, and I'd be fairly comfortable wagering that if I showed up after I enlisted to discuss my job options and I told them I wanted to go Infantry they'd let me.
 
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They have you asvab but wont tell you your line scores
Cant tell you what jobs you are eligible for till Meps
At Meps if you go you will be absolutely required to sign up for the service no matter what
There is no discussion of how long till you get shipped to bootcamp till meps
There is no discussion about what job you will be doing or your pay rate till you agree to sign up
You are told all benefits you will get for joining(Education Ecs)
but nothing else will be given unless you sign up
If you do not sign up now, you will not be allowed to ever re-enter service

no one can answer that question for you

a. do you want to join?
b. do you trust that your recruiter is being straight with you?
c. do you only want to join under certain conditions?

you can try and go over your recruiters head

ask for his commander officers name and number....and tell him why you want it

tell him you arent sure if you are being lied to, or set up by the recruiter

and then shut up....let him respond....do not say or do anything else until you get the number or answers to your queries
 
They have you asvab but wont tell you your line scores
Cant tell you what jobs you are eligible for till Meps
At Meps if you go you will be absolutely required to sign up for the service no matter what
There is no discussion of how long till you get shipped to bootcamp till meps
There is no discussion about what job you will be doing or your pay rate till you agree to sign up
You are told all benefits you will get for joining(Education Ecs)
but nothing else will be given unless you sign up
If you do not sign up now, you will not be allowed to ever re-enter service

What do you mean by "re-enter"? If you aren't in now then there's no "re" about it.
 
You shouldn't need carrots to prove you love your country.
 
They have you asvab but wont tell you your line scores
Cant tell you what jobs you are eligible for till Meps
At Meps if you go you will be absolutely required to sign up for the service no matter what
There is no discussion of how long till you get shipped to bootcamp till meps
There is no discussion about what job you will be doing or your pay rate till you agree to sign up
You are told all benefits you will get for joining(Education Ecs)
but nothing else will be given unless you sign up
If you do not sign up now, you will not be allowed to ever re-enter service

Despite the fact that I love being in the Army had all those things been true when I enlisted I am not sure I would have.

The good news though is that none of the conditions you listed are actually true. If that is what your recruiter is honestly telling you then you need to talk to his commander and get him removed from recruiting detail. Or at the very least find a new recruiter. If that is honestly what he is telling you than you have one of the worst recruiters in the country.
 
What do you mean by "re-enter"? If you aren't in now then there's no "re" about it.

As in if I dont get into Meps now I have no chance of every getting into the navy in the future.
 
As in if I dont get into Meps now I have no chance of every getting into the navy in the future.

That's simply not true. I went to meps two seperate times.
 
Would you take a similar deal from a private company?

How much are you motivated by reasons your concerns in the OP do not impact?

Advice: Oral agreements aren't worth the paper they're printed on. I have heard many tales of verbal promises from recruiters that were lies. Make your decision based only on the provisions they will promise in writing.
 
As in if I dont get into Meps now I have no chance of every getting into the navy in the future.

so it is Navy that is telling you this? if so, stop talking to them and start talking to Air Force.....see what happens.
What is MEPS? been a long time since I enlisted and I don't recognize the term.
 
he's trying to pressure you because he has a quota. 'it's now or never' i was told the same thing after highschool. i went with never, because i don't like dishonest ultimatums by jacked up recruiters. you need to contact other recruiters, and try to seek information from higher sources, though i'm not sure who.
 
They have you asvab but wont tell you your line scores
Cant tell you what jobs you are eligible for till Meps
At Meps if you go you will be absolutely required to sign up for the service no matter what
There is no discussion of how long till you get shipped to bootcamp till meps
There is no discussion about what job you will be doing or your pay rate till you agree to sign up
You are told all benefits you will get for joining(Education Ecs)
but nothing else will be given unless you sign up
If you do not sign up now, you will not be allowed to ever re-enter service

Sorry, this is a load of crap. I have no idea why you are posting something like this, but it is absolutely 100% unlike how the military recruits.

You are told your line scores almost immediately after you take the ASVAB, it is no secret. I have taken it 3 different times, my results took only a few days in the 1980's because it was all old school with paper and pencil. When I retook it in 2005, I had the results in my hand before I left the testing center.

As far as jobs, that is right. But that is because the recruiter can only tell you what schools you qualify for based upon the test scores. They do not have a list of school dates and availability. You might have the scores for Metal Fabrication, but if the school is fully booked and backlogged for 2 years, you will not be offered that MOS. Recruiters do not have access to that information, it is only available from the career planners at MEPS.

Same with shipping to boot camp. Your ship date is based upon the starting date of your advanced training. They take the start date, then figure the boot camp class that graduates shorly before that school starts, then offer you the start date of that boot camp as your entry date. The military does not want you simply hanging around at some base for 2-4 months doing nothing while you wait for your school to start.

And your MOS is your job, you get that at MEPS. However, a good recruiter can give you an idea of the jobs available by your ASVAB scores, and let you know what they do.

As far as pay grade, that is simple. You will be an E-1, unless you have some special background (college, JROTC, etc) that qualifies you for a higher one. I knew when I joined the Marines in 1982 I would be an E-2, because of Army JROTC. When I joined the Army in 2007, I knew it would be as an E-3, for the same reason. If you have an AA or higher, this pretty much guarantees you E-3 to E-4, deending on degree and branch of service. Once again, any recruiter worth a damn can give you this information.

As far as the "sign up now or never", that is bullcrap. I would go to the MEPS and request to talk to the senior Recruiter for that branch of service and tell them what your recruiter told you. That is 100% wrong, and it sounds like if what you are saying is true, you have a lying sack of crap recruiter. That joker needs to be kicked out of recruiting and sent to a harbor tug scraping paint until their enlistment ends.
 
I thought I should try to explain things a bit more in detail here, for those that are unfamiliar with how recruiting-retention works in the military.

First of all, think of recruiters as car salesmen. They are simply trying to sell you a product (in this case the military). They may be very honest and up-front and want what is best for you, or they may be lying sacks of coprolite, and only care about their quotas and numbers.

A recruiter basically pre-screens you, finds out if you meet the basic eligibility, and gets the basic essential documents together (birth certificate, diplomas, etc), and sets you up for things like the ASVAB and an appointment at MEPS. That is it, they have no access to see what schools are available, what dates the various schools start, placement at various units, placement in various countries, or anything at all like this. It is literally beyond their paygrade. It is their job to sell you the car, not to make sure you can afford the car you want, or that it is really the right car for you.

Once you go to MEPS, you then see not a recruiter, but a Career Planner (title may change depending on service). This is the individual who really has the access to see what jobs and schools are available, what units need people, and what countries need people of specific MOS. That is why when you are thinking of joining, you do not get this information at MEPS.

Now for Reserve and National Guard, it may be very different. Because you are going to be stationed within a much more limited geographical area (generally within 50 miles of where you live), they generally can tell you what MOS you will qualify for, and what unit you will be stationed with. They are filling specific slots in specific units, not simply putting together a packet for "Vehicle Operator", then throwing you into the bag for the Army to place you somewhere 6 months later when you are finally done with all your training.

The reasons for this is the difference between Recruiters and Career Planners. All Career Planners are Recruiters, but few Recruiters are Career Planners. Go back to the car salesman comparison. In many dealerships, the Salesman actually does not sell you the car, you are passed along to a Closer. That is the person that gets you wualified for the financing, makes sure you have insurance, and does all the title paperwork. In recruiting it is much the same way. The Recruiter makes sure you have the minimum qualifications, then passes you to the Career Planner for final processing.

If you walk to the Recruiting Center at the local mall with offices for all branches, it is full of recruiters. They are filling jobs for the military world wide, no specific unit or job position. The only major difference once again is in the Reserve and National Guard at the unit level. Go to one of those recruiters, and they actually know of the needs of local units, the manpower shortages of the units, and everything else. That is because most of them are not only Recruiters trying to get people in for the first time, but they are also the Career Planners for the people already in the unit.

I am going to have to leave my new unit in the next 18 months, because my job is already being phased out of the unit. And that means my going to a Career Planner to see what options are available to me. I may simply keep my current job and move to another unit, I may decide to stay in this unit but be trained for an entirely new job. As an initial entry recruit your only exposure to a Career Planner will be at MEPS, there are simply not enough of them to be placed at every recruiting station. But as somebody already in, I deal with them fairly regularly.
 
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