should I be concerned I dont have my jobs yet?

Fledermaus · Nov 8, 2015

274ina said:
And subject to the massive military work rules 365 days a year.
PT scores, and fitness levels, hair cuts, maintain uniforms and boots. Lots of military gear, uncompensated for the job. Get stuffed full of the same unknown Vaccines. Have to pay for military crap they lose............etc etc etc .
Meeting the same requirements as active army.
Available for call up at any time, for any length of time.
its 2 weeks a year too.

So yes. A 50% pension is called for. At least. With inflation. AT retirement, say age 38.

50% is what active duty members get for 20 years active duty 24/7/365.

You CLEARLY do not understand.

Fledermaus · Nov 8, 2015

274ina said:
Ahhh, blame the victim for the fraud. Classic military thinking.

Its not OUR fault we scammed you!

And with 9 years of experience, nad being promoted to E6, you get $125 for 2 days days of labor...................
and nothing for retirement. That's a SCAM.

No, it is what you agreed to.

braindrain · Nov 8, 2015

Fledermaus said:
No, it is what you agreed to.

That is what makes this so pathetic. He freely sighed a contract that spelled out what exactly his benifits were and then obviously re-enlisted at least once all with apparently not bothering to look into his benifits but now what's to cry that it was fraud.
Sad really.

Fledermaus · Nov 8, 2015

braindrain said:
That is what makes this so pathetic. He freely sighed a contract that spelled out what exactly his benifits were and then obviously re-enlisted at least once all with apparently not bothering to look into his benifits but now what's to cry that it was fraud.
Sad really.

Agreed....

Oozlefinch · Nov 8, 2015

274ina said:
And with 9 years of experience, nad being promoted to E6, you get $125 for 2 days days of labor...................
and nothing for retirement. That's a SCAM.

Wow, you must have owed them a huge amount of money or something.

I got significantly more then that when I was a Specialist. Somewhere in the range of 3 times more.

No idea why you were getting so damned later. Forget to sign in and out much?

274ina said:
Its a volunteer army. And what are they going to do? MAKE ME show up in uniform? LMAO!!!!!

If you have signed a contract, yea. Not showing up is known as "desertion".

Although in the Reserves, yea. You can really just quit. They are not going to look for you at all, just send you your discharge in the mail.

It is still getting kicked out.

274ina said:
$100 month retirement AFTER

And once again, you continue your lies... which really shows that once again you more then likely never served in the military. Ever.

If you were to retire from the military (active or reserve) as an E-6 with 20 years service, your retirement pay each month before any taxes would be $1,862.10.

So where you are getting this figure of $100 I have no idea, other then pulling it out of your arse once again.

But please, proce to us the $100 figure.

braindrain said:
So you work one weekend a month and one week a year out side of call ups and you think that should entitle you to a full retirement how exactly. And again your benifit benefits package is layer out in black and white. Stop blaming other people for you not reading the contract you were signing.

The problem here is that he probably never served, and seems to have absolutely no idea how the retirement works for the military.

The truth is, retirement from Active and Reserves gets you the exact same amount of money. Pretty much 50% of your base pay at 20 years, 2.5% more for each year you serve after 20, to a maximum of 30%.

The only difference is that if you retire out of Active Duty, you get that pension as soon as you retire. If you retire out of the Reserves, you do not collect that pension until you turn 60.

Myself, I can retire in 2018 (that is when my current contract ends). But at that point, I will be 53. So I figure, why bother at 53, and wait 7 years for retirement? Might as well serve another 7 years, add another 17.5% to my pension, and hopefully gain at least one more rank (which will raise it even more).

274ina said:
So yes. A 50% pension is called for. At least. With inflation. AT retirement, say age 38.

Then you should have joined Active Duty. They can retire with 50% at 20 years.

You want the same benefit for reservists? Walk about a complete entitlement mindset.

Oozlefinch · Nov 8, 2015

braindrain said:
That is what makes this so pathetic. He freely sighed a contract that spelled out what exactly his benifits were and then obviously re-enlisted at least once all with apparently not bothering to look into his benifits but now what's to cry that it was fraud.
Sad really.

No, because he can not even describe them properly.

Hell, I know PFCs that work in Laundry and Bath that understand Reserve retirement better then this guy claims to have as an E-6.

The problem is that he hates the military, and simply makes crap up, hoping that others will not call him on his lies. Or that others will accept it and spread it around, drowning out the truth.

braindrain · Nov 9, 2015

Oozlefinch said:
No, because he can not even describe them properly.

Hell, I know PFCs that work in Laundry and Bath that understand Reserve retirement better then this guy claims to have as an E-6.

The problem is that he hates the military, and simply makes crap up, hoping that others will not call him on his lies. Or that others will accept it and spread it around, drowning out the truth.

Yeah I honestly never really figured he was in the military. Or at least he never made it past basic. There is no way a supposed E6 is as clueless about military pay and benifits as him.

274ina · Nov 11, 2015

braindrain said:
So you work about a12th of the time as active duty but want 50% of thier retirement. Sorry but no you don't deserve that.
Even more importantly is the fact that the details of your contract are well known and written in black and white. It is noones fault but your own that you chose to not only not read your contract but not put any work into knowing what you were getting involved in. If you had this much difficulty with personal responsibility when you were in no wonder you didn't do well.

Contract is not well known, it is many many, pages long. Written in legaleze, and contains nothing of the retirement or pay system. It is presentenced, and you sign it. No time to even read it.

So again, FRAUD.

274ina · Nov 11, 2015

Fledermaus said:
50% is what active duty members get for 20 years active duty 24/7/365.

You CLEARLY do not understand.

I ment 50% of RA retirement. Not 50% of FT pay.

274ina · Nov 11, 2015

Retirement is
POINTS x years x pay =

And here is the part your don't mention.

RA gets 365 points a year.
Reserve gets 38 points a year. 24 weekends and 14 for 2 week tour.

So yes, RES. gets 10% of the retirement ...................................and mine was $100 month

Oozlefinch · Nov 11, 2015

274ina said:
So yes, RES. gets 10% of the retirement ...................................and mine was $100 month

Last time, prove it or shut up.

Reserve does not get 10% of retirement pay. They simply have to wait until they turn 60 to collect it.

National Guard and Reserve servicemembers who complete a minimum of 20 "qualifying" years of service (creditable retirement years) become eligible for retired pay at age 60.

Military Reserve Retirement | Military.com

There, see that above? That is called a "Reference". Can you say that word? "Reference"? I knew you could.

So now not only are we supposed to believe that a retired E-6 gets only $100 a month in the reserves, but now since you claim to be getting that $100 that you are over 60 years old.

Try peddling your lies in other areas of the board, where things like fact checking and references do not matter. You keep getting your arse handed to you in these military threads, because you know nothing, and are dealing with a great many subject matter experts. And I bet you do not even get the reference I just made either.

braindrain · Nov 11, 2015

274ina said:
Contract is not well known, it is many many, pages long. Written in legaleze, and contains nothing of the retirement or pay system. It is presentenced, and you sign it. No time to even read it.

So again, FRAUD.

No sorry it is. And poor baby you had to do a little reading to know what you were signing. Does the concept of personal responsibility completly escape you.

It seems that you don't understand what the word fraud means.
The Army giving you a contract that spells out exactly what your benifits are and then following through with that to a T is basically the complete opposite of fraud.

Fledermaus · Nov 11, 2015

274ina said:
I ment 50% of RA retirement. Not 50% of FT pay.

You are still clueless as to REAL retirement pay. Reserve or Active duty.

Fledermaus · Nov 11, 2015

274ina said:
Retirement is
POINTS x years x pay =

And here is the part your don't mention.

RA gets 365 points a year.
Reserve gets 38 points a year. 24 weekends and 14 for 2 week tour.

So yes, RES. gets 10% of the retirement ...................................and mine was $100 month

Still wrong.

274ina · Feb 6, 2016

no, I looked at it. Then QUIT.

So yes, I was right, and its a fake.

And so is the "collage paid" lies. For one, they only pay for college, AFTER you have paid for it. Which means
you need the money up front, which of course you don't have, and is the reason you applied !!!! LMAO!

So it all does you no good.

Oozlefinch · Feb 6, 2016

I guess that was taken when you were a Master Sergeant, after your post-retirement promotion from Staff Sergeant.

RetiredUSN · Feb 6, 2016

MisterLogical said:
I am not complaining about anything. People are demanding I do **** I cant because of laws. I did not make them up, they were here when I got here. It is not my fault you people dont understand how the real world works. Money for college is based on parents and families income not the student. Its very hard to get independent status even if you are Fiscally independent and living alone and are over the age of 18(Vs being considered independent and able to be arrested on your own based on jail rules). I was not the one who created this asinine set up so no reason TO BITCH AT ME! Go bitch to the goverment for making rules around an idealistic mind set without any laws enforcing that it ACTUALLY HAPPENS! Saying "Just go to college" is not that simple in America. Especially when you are as poor as I am. MY PARENTS MONEY IS NOT MY MONEY, FINANCIAL AID DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THAT. I did not make that rule but we are forced to follow it. Its not a choice. So the solution is simple. You should stop bitching and go out side for once and get off the ****ing computer. This thread was never about college, so I was never complaining about anything. You offered advice which does not make sense in a real world and bitch when you are corrected. If you dont want to be corrected, than stop giving STUPID ADVICE! That SIMPLE!

You do realize that construction companies are always looking for laborers? All they really is from you is.... can you get to work on time every day?

Fledermaus · Feb 6, 2016

274ina said:
no, I looked at it. Then QUIT.

So yes, I was right, and its a fake.

And so is the "collage paid" lies. For one, they only pay for college, AFTER you have paid for it. Which means
you need the money up front, which of course you don't have, and is the reason you applied !!!! LMAO!

So it all does you no good.

Your (uneducated) opinion is noted.

If they will pay for your college then they pay for your college.